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[GoneWalkabout]

I don't know if this is indicative of the market or my own personal need to reduce portfolio size to something more manageable but I have taken a low SEDO offer on the name ENCYCLOPEDIA.tv and decide to run with an auction.

Auction Detail - Sedo.com

Naturally, I wish the bidder much company in his/her encyclopedic adventures!!!


Does anyone out there know Jimmy Swales, Larry Sanger or Jorge Cauz?

 

[Len]

This is a great keyword and I am shcoked to see that this has a premium of only $250/yr compared to some of the nonsensical premiums.

I wouldn't be surprised to see this go for a tidy sum. Best of luck Jimbo!

BTW.......I hate to admit it but I have no idea who Jimmy Swales, Larry Sanger or Jorge Cauz are........ Give us a clue.

 

[GoneWalkabout]

Jimmy Wales - creator of Wikipedia

Larry Sanger - co-founder of Wikipedia and now founder of Citizendium

and

Jorge Cauz - boss of Encyclopedia Britannica


This name would suit each of them plus anyone else who wanted to do an online encyclopedia.

 

[RogueWriter]

It will be interesting to see what this ends up at.

 

[ipodxpert]

Good luck with the auction. It's a nice name.

 

[GoneWalkabout]

Thanks for the best wishes with the name.

Can I just add that while Encyclopedia.tv at $250 is, as Len points out, quite low, it would still cost $2500 over a ten year period to keep the name. That's quite a commitment.

If, when buying a premium like, you really believe that someone will come along in the next ten years and make you an offer higher than the total figure of ten years premium renewals ($2250 in the case of Encyclopedia.TV as it is already renewed for the next 12 months) then you have a calculated risk.

Sadly, some of us have already signed on to too many calculated risks and need to be able to maintain every penny towards ten years renewals of other premium names (maintaining US dot TV is my number one renewal priority). AND even then there is no guarantee that an offer will come your way or you will get funds for development.

If you are, of course, wanting to create an online video encyclopedia and can build and develop the site then all of the above disappears into a puff of nonsensical pointlessness. You are then a developer and your $2250 will represent just a fraction of your build costs.

 

[cityforums.com]

Thanks for the best wishes with the name.

Can I just add that while Encyclopedia.tv at $250 is, as Len points out, quite low, it would still cost $2500 over a ten year period to keep the name. That's quite a commitment.

If, when buying a premium like, you really believe that someone will come along in the next ten years and make you an offer higher than the total figure of ten years premium renewals ($2250 in the case of Encyclopedia.TV as it is already renewed for the next 12 months) then you have a calculated risk.

Sadly, some of us have already signed on to too many calculated risks and need to be able to maintain every penny towards ten years renewals of other premium names (maintaining US dot TV is my number one renewal priority). AND even then there is no guarantee that an offer will come your way or you will get funds for development.

If you are, of course, wanting to create an online video encyclopedia and can build and develop the site then all of the above disappears into a puff of nonsensical pointlessness. You are then a developer and your $2250 will represent just a fraction of your build costs.

Jimbojimbo I have a link to a Venture Capital Association on my Facebook page

... you may want to take a look at what they can do for you.

 

[GoneWalkabout]

Thanks AssociatedForums for the advice

I think someone else will have to take the venture capital link though becase Encyclopedia.Tv has just sold for $350

 

[snoop]

I don't know if this is indicative of the market or my own personal need to reduce portfolio size to something more manageable but I have taken a low SEDO offer on the name ENCYCLOPEDIA.tv and decide to run with an auction.

It is indictitive of the market for premium .tv's, nobody wants to be holding names like this. I think the price you got is a much better outcome than it could have been.

Personally I would have guessed this would have been one of these names probably not worth renewing, you can see how time has not been kind to it, $1000 in renewals and sold for $350. Stay away from this stuff folks.

 

[sayswho]

It is indictitive of the market for premium .tv's, nobody wants to be holding names like this. I think the price you got is a much better outcome than it could have been.

Personally I would have guessed this would have been one of these names probably not worth renewing, you can see how time has not been kind to it, $1000 in renewals and sold for $350. Stay away from this stuff folks.

Correct.

Stay far away from all premiums and 99% of non premiums.

Evryone on this forum keeps saying (agreeing) that this is a developers extension. So take your own advice and unless you have been developing names into profitable businesses recently, stay clear of this extension.

Producing minisites does not make you a developer, it makes you an owner of a jazzed up parked page.

This extension is rapidly falling apart at the seams.

I own a few names and I get bombrded by enom constantly with spam emails reminding me to renew, or how I am a special customer (with only a few names??!!) and want me to give me "special" discounts.

The writing is on the wall.

trust me, every singl holder of premium names now, with a few exceptions, are worried sick at how the premium, and to a SLIGHTLY lesser degree, the non premium market, has tanked, and they are left with a portfolio of over hyped, over paid for names that no one wants except for the lottery ticket end user, who usually will not pay anyhing over 3-5k.

Perhaps you should be drinking two cups of coffee in the morning instead of one.



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[freedom30]

Correct.

Stay far away from all premiums and 99% of non premiums.

Evryone on this forum keeps saying (agreeing) that this is a developers extension. So take your own advice and unless you have been developing names into profitable businesses recently, stay clear of this extension.

Producing minisites does not make you a developer, it makes you an owner of a jazzed up parked page.

This extension is rapidly falling apart at the seams.

I own a few names and I get bombrded by enom constantly with spam emails reminding me to renew, or how I am a special customer (with only a few names??!!) and want me to give me "special" discounts.

The writing is on the wall.

trust me, every singl holder of premium names now, with a few exceptions, are worried sick at how the premium, and to a SLIGHTLY lesser degree, the non premium market, has tanked, and they are left with a portfolio of over hyped, over paid for names that no one wants except for the lottery ticket end user, who usually will not pay anyhing over 3-5k.

Perhaps you should be drinking two cups of coffee in the morning instead of one.



v

Trust you? yeah, right.... :lol:

...then you say we " should be drinking two cups of coffee in the morning instead of one." Trust you while you insult and demean us. You know, it seems that you are more sophomoric than I had originally thought.

Thanks for the tip off.

 

[sayswho]

Trust you? yeah, right.... :lol:

Ok, so don't trust me.

Perhaps you will trust top industry domainers and and SEDO CEO sell recommendations (year in year out) and almost every serious domainer conference (not some trumped up .tv expo) where .TV hardly ever even makes it into the silent auctions, and produces few to none of actual sales...
How about the constant negative press against .tv?

Or do they ALL have a personal agenda against .TV.

And to the argument that those against .tv just dont understand and get confused by the the premium issue, that is plain wrong. Many of these puzzled and poorly misguided people are doctors, lawyers, accountants, recruitment consultants, who have all learned how to add up the most basic of math - 1+ 1 = 2, and then some, but apparently need help to understand how .tv works.

 

[freedom30]

Ok, so don't trust me...

You know, those that invest in the .tv extension aren't telling anybody to buy. It's a personal choice and decision that we speculate on, like any other business.

Snoop and you tell everyone not to invest likes its a crusade or a mission that you are on. Great, keep blowing in the wind, but bear in mind that we also realize that you are far from an authoritative voice and your crusade is getting to be rather tired, like the Man from LaMancha, if you know what I mean.

Hey, hatchet man, I don't give a rat's *ss what your "altruistic" motives are nor do I concern myself with your taunts and heckling mannerisms.

You don't like the extension, fine and dandy. If you convince others not to buy, then I guess your life's work is accomplished. To me, you are just an opinion with a spin, you take some facts and you actually hide others.

But that's alright for me, Don Quijote, keep up your crusade and have a great day. :wave:

 

[GoneWalkabout]

We all come here for different reasons and from different directions.

We are all prone to 'wavering' about our investments as well.

I welcome the words of Snoop and SaysWho even though I fervently disagree with them.

As for the market 'tanking' - surely the knockers of this extension mean their own 'holdings' in the market have tanked rather than the market itself. It has indeed been a 'weak' market in general, but all this has meant to those more serious about their endevours is that this has been a good time to take proper stock of what names you have - and then reducing that holding to a stronger core.

I feel there are enough and a growing band of very happy endusers of .TV names out there to ensure that the better names will always have a place in the Sun.

Snoop - I understand your 'concern' for people and I actually have some respect for your views and occasional bouts of logic, but I fail to understand the massive amount of time you spend on the .TV forum when you apparently have no interest in its future.

SaysWho - I feel your losses in .Tv are very evident in your writing and if this is the case, I wish you better luck in the future. This is not, however, down to the extension, but to the good/bad fortune/judgment that is displayed within the chosen field by the individual investor.

As I mentioned earlier in this thread, even if the holder of the name paid $2250 to keep the name in their hands for the next ten years, then this amount would represent just a fraction of the build costs of a developer wanting to create an online video encyclopedia.

The bIG question is this - is an online televisual encyclopedia ever likely to materialise - that is the gamble - and that is the payoff or failure at the business end.

Anything else is just sour grapes.

 

[sayswho]

We all come here for different reasons and from different directions.

We are all prone to 'wavering' about our investments as well.

I welcome the words of Snoop and SaysWho even though I fervently disagree with them.

Thankyou, that is how a rational debate should take place.

To Freedom30, i have no intention of attacking you personally.

But I have kept quiet for long enough on this forum and others about many extensions that i believe is fools gold (.mobi, .biz, .tv, .name, .tel, .ws and more).

If you prefer not to hear a contratrian view, then thats fine, I am only the messenger.

I am also not bitter about .tv as far as my own investments are concerned. I own a few names, nothing special, and it has cost me about $200 in total with renewals. I believe they are ok names, but do not have the patience to keep on renewing dead wood.

.TV will always have a small niche space on the net, just remember though that convergence between internet and tv does not need the .tv extension to prep people before going to the said site

Over the last couple of years there was a reseller market in both .tv and .mobi+ some nice end user sales.

Today, there is close to zero reseller market, in .tv in particular, so those holding premiums are no longer able to offload them on other domainers, and so must sweat it out for end users who will pay you more than you paid for the renewals to date and who would be ok to lease a name at a premium price level.

Not a pleasant way to earn a living, if you earn one that is.

 

[freedom30]

...If you prefer not to hear a contratrian view, then thats fine, I am only the messenger...

The messenger? Who's messenger, oh, never mind.... :lol:

Your writing style does look familiar, though, so I doubt you have stood too long in silence, oh messenger.

:gn: sayswho, the messenger.

 

[sayswho]

The messenger? Who's messenger, oh, never mind.... :lol:

Your writing style does look familiar, though, so I doubt you have stood too long in silence, oh messenger.

:gn: sayswho, the messenger.

The messanger of the brutal honest truth that .tv is a waste of time and money for domainers. And so of course now that the dot tv reseller market gravy train has ground to an absolute halt everything is now about development.

If you think you recognise me from "my writing style" call me out. I have nothing to hide.

 

[freedom30]

the messanger of the brutal honest truth that .tv is a waste of time and money for domainers. And so of course now that the dot tv reseller market gravy train has ground to an absolute halt everything is now about development.

If you think you recognise me from "my writing style" call me out. I have nothing to hide.

:p

 

[domainacrobat]

A name can sell for a small price one day only to sell for alot the next. I do not believe this sale indicative of .TV's success or failure. Trying to force a good sale almost never ends in good results. I have put premium renewal .tv's up for sale at sedo hoping some miracle, it ended at $90 - a loss on a $250 premuim. Luckily the buyer was a non paying bidder. 3 months later with only 3 months left on renewal I sold it for $460 on sedo with the same scenario and start price. Bad sales can happen at any time, even though I had several bad sales, that year I sold over $24k of just .tv domains. About 40% of sales were namepros driven, 30% DNF , and the rest whois and anonymous sedo offers. Obviously the recession/economy woes have changed the lanscape of things and throwing great names up at sedo hoping for a bidding war may not yield the best results.

 

[snoop]

As for the market 'tanking' - surely the knockers of this extension mean their own 'holdings' in the market have tanked rather than the market itself. It has indeed been a 'weak' market in general, but all this has meant to those more serious about their endevours is that this has been a good time to take proper stock of what names you have - and then reducing that holding to a stronger core.

The difference is that overall the domain market has crashed, whilst .tv has been close to wiped out. There is nothing good about what has happened to the .tv market.

As I mentioned earlier in this thread, even if the holder of the name paid $2250 to keep the name in their hands for the next ten years, then this amount would represent just a fraction of the build costs of a developer wanting to create an online video encyclopedia.

It is probably also a small fraction of Bill Gates fortune, what does it matter?

The bIG question is this - is an online televisual encyclopedia ever likely to materialise - that is the gamble - and that is the payoff or failure at the business end.

How is that the big question? The big question is whether the purchase price and renewals can ever be recouped, and that is unlikely in my view regardless of "online televisual encyclopedia's".

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.TV will always have a small niche space on the net, just remember though that convergence between internet and tv does not need the .tv extension to prep people before going to the said site

Agree, that is how it has always been with .tv, a niche extension.