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I really don't understand EPN's new TOS and payout structure. So the new payout system is a combination of Pay-Per-Click and commissions but not quite one or the other? Huh? How does that work?

I'm thinking about opening an affiliate used cars store soon and I need to know if I'm going to get paid commissions on cars sold. If not commissions, how high are the clicks going to be? If commissions are scrapped, I may have to scrap my plans for this site. High advertising expenditures won't be worth it on a site that won't bring in commissions on cars sold.

Also, I've read some rumbling on the forums of software like BANS (build-a-niche-store) being banned. Is this true?

As far as pay-per-click is concerned, I click on my own affiliate links quite often because I want to see the exact listings that pop-up as a result. With a PPC system isn't this going to be a problem?

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Dear Julio,

Thank you for contacting us regarding our new payout system.

Quality Click Pricing replaces the current CPA (Cost Per Action) system of directly paying for new users and bids or revenue. In the new system, we pay publishers for clicks sent to eBay sites and the amount paid per click (EPC) on a daily basis will depend on the traffic?s quality, i.e., the amount of incremental revenue and long term value that the traffic generates for eBay.

The quality of the traffic will be assessed by looking at both the short term and long term value of the traffic to eBay. Short term value is calculated by looking at the revenue associated with purchases that happen as a direct result of publishers? marketing efforts. Long term value is a measurement of the revenue that users direct to eBay beyond the first few days after a click. In essence this is the life-time value to eBay of the customers you drive. Essentially, the more incremental revenue and long-term value your traffic generates for eBay, the more you?ll be paid per click.

Earnings per click (EPCs) will be set daily for the previous day?s traffic. After an EPC is posted, it will not change.

Specifically, we have made four changes to how we calculate the value of traffic sent by an affiliate to eBay:

Although we still have a 7 day cookie for sales, we no longer value all sales in a 7 day period equally. In general, sales that come toward the beginning of that period, close to the click, are judged more incremental and therefore valued higher than sales that come towards the end of that period. Please note an adjustment is made for auction listings and certain categories, e.g. motors, which may take longer to convert.
The lifetime value of new users is now calculated as an actual value rather than a set tier. For example, whereas before affiliates in the US might have received $1, $10, $28, $40 or $50 for a new ACRU based on quality, or a certain payout tier based on volume in other countries, you will now receive an amount based on the actual average value of new users you bring to eBay in all countries.
Certain health metrics are also taken into account in pricing. If the amount of credit card fraud, unpaid items, extremely low-value ACRUs, and a number of other variables resulting from traffic you send to the site is significantly higher than average, you will be notified and your EPC may be reduced.
We now add a small amount to the EPC amount to compensate for revenue we make from advertising shown on eBay and when purchases driven by affiliates are paid through PayPal. For now this will be small in comparison to the revenue from items actually bought on eBay, but this may increase over time, and may become especially important for traffic to specific categories like Motors where eBay increasingly gets revenue from advertising fees rather than sold items.

Finally, although an EPC amount is posted the day after your clicks are delivered to eBay, when setting that EPC the algorithm takes into account historical data, such as the lifetime value of ACRUs and sales within the 7 day cookie lifetime, as well as the quality of yesterday?s traffic. This means that you will see fewer fluctuations in your EPC on a day to day basis than on CPA. For example, if you have a large sale on one day, your EPC may not be as high as on CPA; if you have a day with low sales, your EPC might be higher than under CPA. Overall, however, publishers who drive more incremental sales and long-term value will earn more under the Quality Click Pricing system.

As for Build a Niche Stores, they are still allowed in the network, and I can ensure you that nobody gets banned just because of owning a BANS store.

You can test your own links to ensure that clicks are coming through from them. However, please note that if you are using automated software or bots to check your links, those clicks may be flagged and filtered.

I hope this information answers your questions. Please let us know if we can be of any further assistance.

Kind regards,

Amy Shetty
eBay Partner Network Support
 
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I think it is basically the same as Google Adsense ... cost per click.
 
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For existing members we are still on the pay per sale for this month but starting October 1st it goes to this new system where the quality of your traffic counts, Since pay per click has fallen across the board I just started to get into ebay, amazon, cj etc... more seriously. There is a link in my ebay account that says quality click pricing preview which shows me how this new system will pay me based on the quality of my traffic and as of today it shows me that I will be making more than 400% of what I make now once it switches to the quality system so if you have quality traffic I think a lot of people will do okay on the new system.
 
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I am a new publisher, so It took effect for me on Sept 1st. I can say I now double my adsense earnings with half the clicks
 
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I am a new publisher, so It took effect for me on Sept 1st. I can say I now double my adsense earnings with half the clicks

When your domains make X amount of dollars at a parking company each month you are afraid to touch them as you will lose money if your development doesn't pan out, now that pay per click at google & yahoo has fallen trying something new ebay, amazon, cj, linkshare, etc... carries less risk or less to lose if it doesn't work out, I'm glad pay per click dropped at google & yahoo as it motivated me to develop a good handful of my domains this month and based on those results shows me I will make more on quite a few of my keyword product domains than traditional parking, not saying affiliate programs will work for all domains better than parking but now is the time to experiment as you have less to lose with pay per click at all time lows.
 
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i love development but i hate scanning domain lists for those direct match sweet keyword.com's

i do however enjoy hand-regging hyphenated keyword domains in com/net/org/us extension. i'm hoping to hand-reg several more by the end of the year, put bans stores on them and see how they pan out
 
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Used cars is not a good niche at this time, check the EPN forums, the car sellers seem to have been hit hardest with the new QCP system. Cars used to pay around $60 now people are report anything from $15 to ZERO.

I don't think BANS is being supported by the maker any more but it can still work if you tweak it lots and dont use it straight out of the box. Basically try to remove any hints that it is BANS.
 
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I haven't been hanging around the EPN forums lately, but I'm surprised to hear it's hitting ebay motors so hard - they had said when they first announced this they were going to compensate for the unique nature of that market...

But I'm not that surprised because the new PPC compensation model will hit other high-ticket items with similar purchasing patterns hard UNLESS you're making sales every day (less likely than with less pricey everyday items). Basically, if a graph of your sales would look like peaks and valleys instead of a steady line, you're gonna get hit:

Let's say someone wins an auction. That gets factored into your PPC "quality". Then for several days people are clicking through but nobody wins an auction - maybe they don't bid or maybe they just get outbid. These non-winning clicks bring your ppc compensation down. If you don't send much traffic to them, they may even compensate you at their "default" amount, which is like $0.01-$0.02/click.

Then someone wins something big. Guess what you get paid? Whatever your ppc "quality" was when that person clicked - could be just $0.01! Now that sale goes into calculations of your FUTURE ppc, but again if you don't have another sale for a while your ppc compensation amt will be whittled down again.

If you gripe about lack of transparency in parking, you'll LOVE the new eBay system - Not! You won't even know what items people win anymore (important for optimizing your pages) and will only be able to track at the campaign level once they switch over.
 
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I haven't been hanging around the EPN forums lately, but I'm surprised to hear it's hitting ebay motors so hard - they had said when they first announced this they were going to compensate for the unique nature of that market...

But I'm not that surprised because the new PPC compensation model will hit other high-ticket items with similar purchasing patterns hard UNLESS you're making sales every day (less likely than with less pricey everyday items). Basically, if a graph of your sales would look like peaks and valleys instead of a steady line, you're gonna get hit:

Let's say someone wins an auction. That gets factored into your PPC "quality". Then for several days people are clicking through but nobody wins an auction - maybe they don't bid or maybe they just get outbid. These non-winning clicks bring your ppc compensation down. If you don't send much traffic to them, they may even compensate you at their "default" amount, which is like $0.01-$0.02/click.

Then someone wins something big. Guess what you get paid? Whatever your ppc "quality" was when that person clicked - could be just $0.01! Now that sale goes into calculations of your FUTURE ppc, but again if you don't have another sale for a while your ppc compensation amt will be whittled down again.

If you gripe about lack of transparency in parking, you'll LOVE the new eBay system - Not! You won't even know what items people win anymore (important for optimizing your pages) and will only be able to track at the campaign level once they switch over.

I believe it does tell you what items people win. There's an ebay item number column in the Transaction Download spreadsheet. Paste that value into a search at ebay & you see the item.
 
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I know you can get item details from the transactions now - will they continue to provide a transaction report when they switch to the PPC model? My understanding was that it was going away. If they kept it that would be helpful.
 
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We're in multiple niches with EPN, and in general (depending on the site content) it's been great with ePN over the last year or so. The detailed transaction reports (indicating the eBay auction number and resulting eBay fees and our cut) have been essential in tuning our sites. If the transaction detail reports disappear, then it is a real step backwards in terms of engagement and transparency for ePN partners.

That said, at present we're looking at about a 20-25% increase in revenue based on the QCP preview reports... the algorithm is certainly mysterious, but it's starting to become a bit clearer. It's about tuning your site design to only send clickthroughs to eBay that result in transactions.

As for high priced items (cars - vehicles, homes, ships, industrial equipment)... they'll certainly (I hope) adjust the QCP algo to adjust for one off sales of items over a certain $x dollar value.
 
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<<As for high priced items (cars - vehicles, homes, ships, industrial equipment)... they'll certainly (I hope) adjust the QCP algo to adjust for one off sales of items over a certain $x dollar value.>>

That's not what I'm seeing in the Quality Preview report.

I promote mostly higher-priced items - my traffic is very targeted, my epc (now) is at the upper end of their stated average, my ACRU's have been consistently medium-high quality. I'm using the editor kit to show very specific, targeted listings (I spend a lot of time tuning my keywords and negative keywords to get rid of the irrelevant listings), my visitors KNOW they're clicking through to eBay. If they click through, they're interested - there's not much more I can do to make them bid. People are more inclined to think about high-ticket items as opposed to things priced in the "impulse purchase sweet-spot" and not every bidder wins. Winning bidders aren't likely to turn around and buy another of these items, losing bidders may not have an alternative item to bid upon.

Per the preview report, my eBay revenue is going to drop 50%-66%. (Unless I start promoting something with a more advantageous purchasing pattern just to get my stats up). eBay is only a small part of my business model so it's not a financial disaster, but it would be difficult if not impossible for me to replace it. (I use it mostly for used / antique items on sites where I sell new items through other affiliate programs.).

<<i think this is an excellent thread from the epn forum that sums everything up and in particular addresses how it'll effect car sites and other high ticket items>>

That thread pretty much sums up what I've seen.
 
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Are you allowed to forward your domains to an affiliate link with Ebay like you can do with Clickbank or do you have to incorporate it into a site?
 
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Are you allowed to forward your domains to an affiliate link with Ebay like you can do with Clickbank or do you have to incorporate it into a site?

In general, you need to link to eBay from content on a site you host. It is, however, possible to use other promotional methods to drive traffic to eBay (via your EPN links)... it generally requires approval from eBay first as mentioned in the EPN Network Agreement:

...you are required to obtain ePN's or the Advertiser's express written permission in advance to use that Promotional Method in that Program. You are responsible for verifying whether the applicable Program Terms allow or approve your Special Promotional Method. ePN reserves the right to request you to terminate any special Promotional Method at any time, with or without notice or cause, and you agree to immediately comply. The following are non-limiting examples for special promotional methods:

1. e-mail, instant messaging, IRC channels or other electronic communications,
2. downloadable software,
3. incentive programs including vouchers, coupons, or
4. distribution of Promotional Content via distribution partners or ad networks,
5. promoting Participating Sites and Content by placing Links in Paid Search results,
6. use of a Developers Program tool or API to create Promotional Content.
7. holding in-person trainings and classes

You will not promote Participating Sites and Content using Special Promotional Methods unless the Program Terms or ePN approve such promotion expressly in writing, in advance, and you comply with the additional terms set out in the Code of Conduct (https://publisher.ebaypartnernetwork.com/PublisherRegCC").

It depends on exactly how you plan on forwarding to the domain. If it's a 3xx redirect that includes referrer information, it may work without getting special methods approval... but keep in mind that under QCP you'll lose in the end if your traffic isn't quality enough to convert well...

Rob
 
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Are you allowed to forward your domains to an affiliate link with Ebay like you can do with Clickbank or do you have to incorporate it into a site?

One of the EPN rules is the person must willingly click a link and know ahead of time that it will be sending them to ebay. So you would have to incorporate it into a site.
 
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the user make take an "affirmative action" to clicking an affiliate link

no forwards are allowed
 
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what is up with this program ..more games

I don't know what is going on with this troubled program.When it was at cj I never made 1 penny as it turned out according to the lawsuit they lost ,value click stole traffic.I assume that is why ebay took over.Once ebay took it over and i switched over to there ads all of a sudden money appeared.so i have a personal a/b test ;I know cj cheated just based on that cause it was the same sites i had the ads.i am a valueclick long suffering stockholder so i sure am not a "basher"it is what it is....now what is going on they had the"quality click preview"..that showed me up...so now I ADD MORE SITES...what i notice as soon as you add new sites or ads they don't pay anymore so i am thinking that since that cookie stuffing incident with dp now there is some ebay" team member" has to manually review every single ad..reason i think this is ? 7 days later they pay again...but they don't pay on anything...not just the added sites in the meantime.you should see the chart... you can see the clicks constant or up but all of a sudden no pay ..then one day they pay again... .come on...so i lost whole majority of the months clicks..This program has tons of creatives for ads ..more than they want to pay for,,it seems.If they don't fix or provide explain[when does that ever happen lol] will dump this program.now that they got rid of meg get rid of the bs too..seems like amazon has the business now according to the earnings last week ...maybe switch horses
 
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problem i see from my end is their bot filtering sucks, you get the same amount of clicks each day and then wham 2,000 clicks out of nowhere that ya gotta email them and say "remove these bot clicks" if they wanna play like a parking company/adsense and pay per click then they need to up their game and learn how to recognize/remove bot hits as it can turn a good average cost per click into a low cost per click pretty fast, i would lean to other programs now as this new system is too shaky as I see no pattern of consistency.
 
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gap down

what i am seeing with this program is every time i add a new site or change ad code they shut down the pay for clicks for days...looks like someone on staff has to manually inspect each site or something...that ok i guess but oct lost 20 days of clicks[ clicks show but no pay].oct i figure I lost at least 50$ based on 14 cents/click..got to point i am afraid to alter anything....change one ad code and no pay for 10 days.would like to expand use but it costs losses to ad ads
 
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