domain Domain with 10k Alexa!

[AbdulBasit.com]

Hello,

I own PicsGrab.com but the domain whose Alexa Traffic Ranking 10k is PicsGrab.us is not mine.

What do you think is the value of PicsGrab.com ?

Thanks,
AbdulBasit Makrani

 

[Timewarp]

I dont think the name itself is that special but it has some value because the other site seems popular. Value depends on how much spillover traffic you get or if PicsGrab.us want to buy the name to protect themselves.

 

[Cmbilt.com]

I would def hold onto this domain name until picsgrab.us bids for it, which I believe they will. How is the PPC where it is parked doing? If not it would be fairly easy to develop it around picsgrab.us - similar, but not the same - which would give even more incentive to picsgrab.us to protect their name and bid for it. My estimate right now, $X,XXX. GL

 

[manateemedia]

I'd contact the .us site and see if they want to buy it. Do some research and try to get an idea of how popular they are.... if really popular I wouldn't doubt if you could get $x,xxx for it

What do you think about this name?

http://www.namepros.com/domain-appraisals/504818-please-appraise-securedigitalmemorycards-com.html

 

[allroundguy]

Should You want advice ...

Better check this out ...
http://www.wipo.int/amc/en/domains/search/overview/index.html

I would not contact PicsGrab.us.

 

[bmugford]

I don't see them owning any trademark. They basically have a random Two Word domain and inferior extension. I will contact the owners of lesser extension all the time.

A UDRP takes

1.) Proof of TM or Name Violation.
2.) Proof that you have no legitimate rights to own the domain.
3.) Proof that is was used in bad faith.

If PicsGrab.us wants to file a UDRP, it is their money to lose since they have no shot of getting the domain through it.

I think a better question is why did they start a popular website with such a bad domain name?

Brad

Better check this out ...
http://www.wipo.int/amc/en/domains/search/overview/index.html

I would not contact PicsGrab.us.

 

[AbdulBasit.com]

@Timewarp

Yes, you are right. Currently the domain itself is not special but because the other site seems popular.

@Cmbilt.com

Thanks for your appraisal. Yes, I will definitely hold this domain until I get some bid from the owner of .us
I am getting 1-2 daily UV at .com not sure why very less traffic!

@allroundguy

PicsGrab is not a trademark.

@manateemedia

Do you think I should really contact the owner of .us or in future when they get more popular?
I just checked the .us whois and the guy is from India.

 

[alanchau]

The domain is worth nothing unless you receive traffic on it.

1. The .com version of the domain was available when the .us was originally registered.

2. The website looks like it was thrown up in 5 minutes, doesn't seem like he really cares about it at all.

3. According to Alexa, only around 5% of the traffic is from US/CA/UK combined, so the majority of traffic is worthless.

 

[AbdulBasit.com]

@asianinvasion

All your points are right. Do you think .com will be worthy in future and/or I should contact the .us owner in future?

 

[hookah]

There is sth strange with this domain (PicsGrab.us). A traffic is mostly from Indian subcontinent, only 4% from USA. There are 0 galleries in each category, except Others, where there are 3 galleries with 197.60 KB used space. Not so rich content There is a sudden peak in traffic started from June 2008. I dont see this site as a regular traffic one.

By the way: contacting name owner with a domain identical except ext. is not a good idea.
PicsGrab.com looks 0$ to me (or it will gain some traffic)

 

[AbdulBasit.com]

@hookah

Thanks for your appraisal and comments.
I think then I will need to wait and watch to get some reward in future.

 

[allroundguy]

PicsGrab is Trademark because of usage. It needs not to be registered to be a Trade Mark or a Service Mark.
Here is an example of what can happen: http://www.wipo.int/amc/en/domains/decisions/html/2000/d2000-0575.html
Also, there are enough people who would advance money for starting up a claim, if they will receive part of any settlement.
There are domain sharks operating that way.

@asianinvasion:
Value is always subject to individual appreciation. For who considers traffic is important (for advertising etc.) You are right. but for who uses the account merely for storage, existing audience and email, traffic is mostly waste.

We should avoid assuming that end users think like resellers.
I still would not offer to sell the .com version to the .us holders.
I would develop a web presence and wait or auction the .com.

 

[AbdulBasit.com]

@allroundguy

What do you mean by usage? The more traffic/popular a site is, that gets trade mark or service mark by itself! ?

Alright... I will think to develop it in near future. What do you mean by auction? Where can I start? Is it good to start auction for .com now or in future ?

 

[Cmbilt.com]

PicsGrab is Trademark because of usage. It needs not to be registered to be a Trade Mark or a Service Mark.
Here is an example of what can happen: http://www.wipo.int/amc/en/domains/decisions/html/2000/d2000-0575.html

PicsGrab is not trademarked because of usage. The only way to get trademarked is to go through the trademark or service mark patent office of the US or state govt. You cannot just get trademarked bc your site is popular. In the above article, the crux.be was trademarked.

I think this is a weird situation to begin with if this guy lives in India. As far as him coming after you, their are international barriers def deterring anything like that. The stipulations for a foreign country entity coming after a separate country entity over Intellectual property rights would be so expensive and exhausting, but I do understand it happens. Im not a lawyer but I remember enough from school that crossing international barriers with a lawsuit rarely works because of so many rules deterring it

 

[hookah]

Cmbilt.com: an owner of a DN can live whenever he wants to. If he has got i.e. gTLD domain, it is a subject of ICANN UDRP and WIPO decision. If a decision is against him, he loses a given name at the end, if he wants or not. Local country law has nothing to do with gTLDs. No international barriers have to be crossed in such cases.

 

[AbdulBasit.com]

@Cmbilt.com
Thanks for the clarification. Then I am in the drivers seat

 

[allroundguy]

A trade mark needs not to be registered anywhere.
Trademark by usage do exist and recognized by the USPTO (United States Patent and Trademark Office).
Here You find it clearly explained: http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/tac/doc/basic/register.htm

Domain trade is more than posting around: It is mostly research.

The best way to go into domain trading, is to spend upon an experienced lawyer and have him/her explain why they give a certain advice and where they got the information.
The easiest way to go into domain trading, is to assume that most people who bought, sold, or appraised some domains are experienced enough to advise in the field. This is, of course, pure gambling: The only standards applicable in the domain industry are those of Local Common Laws, Trademark Legislation (international treaties - i.e. Madrid Protocol etc.), WIPO (wipo.org), ICANN.org, IANA.org, W3.org and more a few of those.
Any other advice concerning domains are opinions, based upon individual in-house information that is usually not complete with private (business, financial and other) data about seller and candidate-buyer.
Past sales are no reference as to experience, but about willingly buyers.
Overpricing and underpricing are opinions, usually from jealous people.
Choose a domain, do a few search engine lookups to see if there are related domains, make up Your mind if You want end-user or reseller price, then set a price, promote, and follow-up.
The ugliest girl gets married, too - If she's good in cooking and the rest.

 

[Cmbilt.com]

You are playing a dangerous game then if you don't have something trademarked. Leaving it all up to chance if you ask me. Good advice though.

abdulbasituae : If he does not have this trademarked, you may think about trademarking and developing the site. Trademarks cost around $300.

hookah: Never said people who own a domain can't live wherever they want. Simply said that living in different countries and having the same domain with different extensions would be hard for him to come after abdulbasituae.

 

[Nodws]

great name atleast mid $XXX, good luck!

 

[bmugford]

There is no TM violation here. Content is different than a domain name itself.

What you basically have is just a website with an inferior extension. There is absolutely no TM violation, actual or implied, with owning the same domain name in a better extension (unless their is a TM + Bad Faith involved).

I have sold many domains with better extensions to owners of developed sites with lesser extensions.