NameSilo

Domain Name Value Estimator

SpaceshipSpaceship
Watch

winst

Established Member
Impact
715
Last edited:
46
•••
The views expressed on this page by users and staff are their own, not those of NamePros.
GoDaddyGoDaddy
How important is the consistency of the estimator's price range?
 
2
•••
I've noticed it, too. Part of it is the nature of the AI model and configurations, but also a tradeoff between deterministic results and creatively finding meaningful patterns in the domain names. Being more creative means the results will be different each time.

Thanks for trying it.
Testing again this a.m. MagicLoans.com = $5k to 10k and BUNH.com $1k to 3k
Is it worth doing three or four valuations over a day to decide on an average figure? Looking at the third attempt for BUNH.com, the valuation range seems more in line with market values for that name.
 
1
•••
checking for crypto.com and it shows 10k to 50k :oops:

Update: 2nd time it's showing $5 million to $10 milltion.


I'm loving it, nice tool. If it's getting added to namepros lander it will be great addition.
 
Last edited:
1
•••
It generated a report indicating that my domain "gargamel.net" is worth 500-1500 usd but i cant sell it for 19 usd :)

Is not it concerning?
Maybe it's because your domain is a comic book character. Also, check the trademark on this name.
 
1
•••
Great tool.

It would be nicer if you could throw in some data that you already gathered and used in the valuation.

In addition to several domain names I evaluated, I also tried a name with two variations of letter case - "TV Logs" v/s "T Vlogs" - your evaluator added a note about the vlogging niche in the latter. That was nice.
 
1
•••
I like the tool.
It seems to cover all common TLDs.
However, the estimated value ranges are far too wide for me. Given my own assessment - conservative or overestimating - I would almost always end up within them.
A wish for the future: simple mechanism for the start of a new review? Estimation in bulk? Compare real results, e.g. from NameBio?

Here are some results for comparison. For some people, the respective TLD is out of the question, for others the SLD may be rubbish. Nothing has changed.
$10 - $50
TokenizedRWAs .xyz
$300 - $1,000
Ticker .club
$500 - $1,500
CoinJobs .tech
CryptoNative .co.uk
NFTArt .at
SuperSanity .org
Vaporize .one
Veganer .shop
WML .app
$500 - $2,000
CoffeeMachine .co
Rental .mobi
SiAgent .io
$500 - $2,500
Capitalize .me
Folding .tv
$500 - $3,000
Motion .online
$500 - $5,000
Lidar .network
Venture .si
$1,000 - $5,000
Canvas .world
Decarb .de
Disruptor .it
$2,000 - $5,000
UniAuction .com
$1,000 - $10,000
Decentral .finance
$5,000 - $10,000
Pay .tips
ROI .so
$5,000 - $15,000
Palladium .capital
Sprit .net
$5,000 - $20,000
LargeVisionModel .ai
 
1
•••
I just spent an hour with it, and I am very impressed. I tried maybe 25 or so domains in general, including many .com, but also a few .org, .net, .xyz, .io, .cc, .ca, .si and a handful of new extensions. Thank you @winst for bringing a meaningful new service to the market.

Here are my thoughts:
  • I really like that it gives a range of prices, rather than one precise price. For something like domains, where each is unique, that is how it should be done.
  • It seems to be genuinely intelligent (by no means everything claiming to be Ai is!). I gave it some tougher ones, and mainly it zeroed in on meaning. For example, I gave it the name 'partly' and it saw that it might find use by a parts store.
  • The output is easily understandable. Yes, after dozens it gets repetitive, but if one was making the pitch for a company to buy a name it is the sort of overview that could be handed around a committee table and people would see the general case.
  • I tried names of many types, and it generally handled them all. For example, I gave it a four-word phrase and it correctly commented that it was composed of easy to remember words, and was a common phrase so brought familiarity, and appraised it rather high.
  • Back to the range of prices. I am not sure if the range is supposed to be one sigma, or two sigma, or something else, but if we regard it as one sigma uncertainty then 2/3 of the time the 'correct' price should lie in the range (95% if two sigma). The price I thought was right was encompassed by the range given 80 to 90% of the time. It was also encouraging that of the 4 or 5 cases I thought the range might not quite be right, a couple I thought right price should be lower than range, and several I thought higher.
  • I really like how it looks at all three of SLD, TLD and the match of the two, and comments.
  • Also, it seems capable of examining things like semantics and pronunciation. Caveat I have not tried it yet with many made-up brandable names.
  • Twice it told me it could not give a precise range, that impressed me. It did give general guidance like it is probably hundreds to thousands.
It is great that you are asking for feedback and suggestions here, and I am impressed this was created by someone with long experience in community, I see the 15 yr + indicator on your NamePros account.

This is just my opinion, but while well-intentioned I would resist for the most part trying to take too many suggestions into making the product something different. Yes, comparator sales, or search/CPC info, or number of TLDs registered have a bearing, but we have tools to look at those. For example, the Graen evaluator does a great job of taking into account the number of exact and longer names with a term. Please keep the focus of this one truly on AI interpretation of the name, as it is now. Evaluation instruments that reset value when a sale is recorded really interfere with a less biased valuation, since that sale might have been high or low for a variety of reasons (seller skilled negotiator, some specific reason buyer needed that specific name, seller needed cash flow badly at time of sale).

People are concerned that it gives different values when you try at a different time, but that is exactly how a true AI would respond to things that are questions of judgement. It is a sign that it is working. Now if they are wildly different, that would be concerning, but if it tells me a certain domain name is $2000 to $5000 today, and tomorrow it says $1000 to $4000, that is to be expected.

Thank you so much for this and best wishes for its development.

Bob
 
10
•••
I played around with your tool and got it to do bulk appraisals. Also reprompted it so give appraisals without a description. Great tool!
 
1
•••
Cool tool. IMO, the appraisal range should be consistent. Say, for example, a domain owner wants to use it in order to demonstrate to someone what the asking price/range of a domain is reasonable. If the potential buyer runs it once and it shows one range, then runs it again immediately or later and gets a different range... then the results and the entire input won't be trusted. This tool definitely has potential and I was impressed with the evaluation of a couple of domains that I tested. Good luck!
 
1
•••
This is just my opinion, but while well-intentioned I would resist for the most part trying to take too many suggestions into making the product something different. Yes, comparator sales, or search/CPC info, or number of TLDs registered have a bearing, but we have tools to look at those. For example, the Graen evaluator does a great job of taking into account the number of exact and longer names with a term. Please keep the focus of this one truly on AI interpretation of the name, as it is now. Evaluation instruments that reset value when a sale is recorded really interfere with a less biased valuation, since that sale might have been high or low for a variety of reasons (seller skilled negotiator, some specific reason buyer needed that specific name, seller needed cash flow badly at time of sale).
Thank you, Bob, for the kind words.

I played around with your tool and got it to do bulk appraisals. Also reprompted it so give appraisals without a description. Great tool!
While I will allow bulk and reprompt for now, I will make bulk actions a separate page that is safer for handling more domains and tracking computing costs.


I've created a new page, Domain Investor Toolkit, for domain investors/sellers. The estimate is set to have a more consistent range (more deterministic instead of more creative). The domain characteristics list is set to be more creative and suggests industries that might find the domain name useful. The last thing is that it will also generate an outbound email that lists the benefits.

It is still free for now, but I'm making it require a free membership because I need to track costs and protect it from bots.

https://eztc.com/domain-investor-toolkit/
 

Attachments

  • eztc.com_domain-investor-toolkit_.jpg
    eztc.com_domain-investor-toolkit_.jpg
    103 KB · Views: 83
6
•••
As far as I have read, all the feedback is about pricing. I think the copy generated by AI will be immensely helpful in marketing to end-users. IMHO.
 
3
•••
First congratulations on your evaluator.

I did not systematically test your product. I randomly typed 4 names I own.
The descriptions were a condensed version of the recent GPT evaluator that was released by https://www.namepros.com/members/domainlift.997806/

The value range were between low end Estibot and low end GoDaddy appraisal numbers. It's very difficult to compare apples to apples in domain names.

I'll wait until further updates and advancements before I beta test this.
 
0
•••
It has the classic tokenization problem. Similar to how when you ask an AI how many r's are in "strawberry" and it insists there are two, because of the way the prompt gets tokenized. I tried it on a five-letter domain, and it said it is memorable because it is a four-letter domain.

It's very problematic that the ranges it gives change wildly running the same domain multiple times. I'm guessing this is because you didn't roll your own valuation model based on actual sales data like GoDaddy did, and you're just letting an LLM guess at a range based on articles it has read online.

Honestly I can get almost identical results by just asking ChatGPT 4o something like this:

Can you give an appraisal of the domain [INSERT_DOMAIN], give both a retail price range and also highlight important attributes that help make it valuable.

I'm guessing that's pretty much just what you're doing here, engineering a basic prompt and feeding it to an LLM. Only you're using a less expensive model, because I tried the same five-letter domain and ChatGPT correctly said it was memorable because it has just five characters (not four like yours).

Not trying to rain on your parade, but you're really only saving people from having to write a short prompt, you didn't actually develop an AI like your original post suggests.

Here's what ChatGPT said for example:

The domain "Psyop.org" holds significant value due to several key attributes:

  1. Keyword Significance: "Psyop" is an abbreviation for "psychological operations," a term widely recognized in military and strategic contexts. This relevance enhances the domain's appeal to organizations and individuals in related fields.
  2. Memorability and Brevity: Comprising just five characters, "Psyop" is concise and easy to remember, which is advantageous for branding and user recall.
  3. .org Extension: The ".org" top-level domain is traditionally associated with non-profit organizations, educational institutions, and communities, lending credibility and trustworthiness to the domain.
  4. Existing Use: The domain is currently active, hosting a platform that allows users to create their own tokens and crowdpools through the PSYOP studio.
    Psyop
    An established website can enhance a domain's value by demonstrating its utility and potential for traffic.
Retail Price Range: Estimating the exact value of a domain can be challenging due to market fluctuations and specific buyer interest. However, considering the attributes mentioned, "Psyop.org" could be valued in the range of $1,000 to $5,000. For a more precise valuation, utilizing domain appraisal tools such as GoDaddy's Domain Appraisal GoDaddy or Dynadot's Domain Appraisal Dynadot can provide additional insights.

Compared to your tool:

Estimated Value Range: $2,000 - $5,000
  1. Top-Level Domain (TLD): The ".org" extension is regarded as one of the top and trusted domain extensions. It is often associated with non-profit organizations and entities in education, making it a reliable choice for institutions intending to build credibility.
  2. Memorability: "Psyop" is a concise, four-letter domain, making it highly memorable. Short domains are generally easier to recall and can become synonymous with brand identity.
  3. Industry Relevance: "Psyop" is shorthand for "psychological operations," a term commonly used in military and strategic communication contexts. This domain name would particularly appeal to organizations, businesses, or initiatives involved in psychological training, research, or consultancy, especially those focusing on strategic communication or mental health.
  4. Branding Potential: The domain offers strong branding potential for any organization involved in psychological studies, operations, or campaigns. It can easily be leveraged to create a strong brand identity that is both meaningful and impactful.
  5. Trend Relevance: The psychological sector and operations linked to mental and strategic communications are trending, especially with increasing global focus on mental health awareness and strategic communication practices. This enhances the domain's potential value.
  6. Search Engine Optimization (SEO): Having a keyword recognized in specific industries can assist in SEO strategies, enhancing visibility for related searches on search engines.
In conclusion, the domain "Psyop.org" is valuable due to its notable TLD, memorability, industry specificity, branding potential, trend relevance, and SEO advantages. These factors combine to give this domain a favorable valuation in the given range.

Crazy how similar the responses are:

"Psyop" is an abbreviation for "psychological operations," a term widely recognized in military and strategic contexts.

"Psyop" is shorthand for "psychological operations," a term commonly used in military and strategic communication contexts.
 
Last edited:
6
•••
I developed an AI-based domain name value estimator that also generates a report. Let me know if you think it is useful and if there is any feature you think I should add to the future versions. All feedbacks are appreciated.

Thanks.

https://eztc.com/domain-value-estimator/
Great attempt? But foremost, wish you had thought of a better name for your own website.:xf.smile::xf.smile:
 
1
•••
Try something like domainesse .com. Not that wish to sell some of our domains. Even this is randomly suggested for an idea. But genuinely suggesting find a different name for an excellent business otherwise, thought of with genuine needs. We could help with fresh ones with minimal charge, based on your ideas, belief and preferred keywords. That is what we do primarily. :xf.smile:
 
0
•••
Great attempt? But foremost, wish you had thought of a better name for your own website.:xf.smile::xf.smile:
Haha, I've sold many of my 4L .com's back in the day, and this was the leftover.
 
1
•••
It has the classic tokenization problem. Similar to how when you ask an AI how many r's are in "strawberry" and it insists there are two, because of the way the prompt gets tokenized. I tried it on a five-letter domain, and it said it is memorable because it is a four-letter domain.
Thank you for the feedback, Michael.

The LLM "Strawberry" problem can be solved by asking GPT to write and execute Python code.

This project is still early, a proof-of-concept, and a "thin wrapper" and hopefully develop into a "thick wrapper" over time.
 
2
•••
I tried it on a five-letter domain, and it said it is memorable because it is a four-letter domain.
Various AI implementations do this - e.g. the Atom AI logo generator occasionally leaves out a letter, and Chat GPT sometimes simply makes up believable, but nonexistent, references if you insist it give scholarly references.

This means we all should be careful of AI, much more so than I think the majority of people and even business leaders are, but as Hinton and others stress AI is meant to emulate how people think, and people have those same imperfections, and sometimes exaggerate or even make things up. It is important to think of AI in this way. Confabulation is apparently the preferred technical term for these.

Sure, I think the About on the site makes it clear that this, like virtually every application of AI, is depending on one or more of the big models, I assume. And yes, you could undoubtedly get a similar thing directly by writing the right prompts. I view this as an ease of use question, frankly like almost every other AI agent right now.

I would never use only this, or any other, valuator. It is one way of looking at a name. There is definitely value in looking at comparator sales, and probably value in considering algorithmic valuators that concentrate on various aspects of a name.

A lot of people are concerned about the variability in the estimates. I agree with @SuperBrander if there is much variability, it will make this not very useful as a way to support the value of a name to a potential buyer. On the other hand, if you took the 20 best art experts, and had them look at a novel new work, I am pretty sure you would get 20 different ranges of price. And also pretty sure, if you asked the same expert to look again six months later, would not give exactly the same range. Each domain name is a unique digital asset. If one has AI, rather than algorithmic, approaches, it is to be expected the range will be different in different queries, because each one is like asking a new expert, to some degree.

@Michael concern about pricing being based on vague generalities that the AI 'read' in its training is indeed a concern.
I don't know enough about the training to comment more.

For me, this was the test. I tried it with a bunch of names mainly that I had for sale, and a few that I had sold, with a price in mind for each. Most of the time the price I had in mind fell somewhere in the range suggested by the tool. Also, I checked it with a few names that I honestly feel are special, but that other valuators treated as mundane, kind of are these names better than most of the very mundane names in my portfolio. A number of times this tool indeed placed them higher, which increased my view of it.

I have not yet done a truly systematic look. For example have not really looked at what it says for elite level names, and only a handful of the type of names that BrandBucket and Atom handle. But for a recent release I am impressed. Still all the usual caveats about any automated valuator are relevant.

Most of the domain experts are, generally rightly, highly critical of domain valuation in any automated way. It would be interesting to have a panel of 10 experts agree to do a truly blind valuation of a set of names. Both to see variability among the experts, and how frequently the expert price was somewhere in the range suggested by this.

I have for years bristled every time I see an appraisal tell me the value of a name is $1473 (as though anyone knows it precisely). It is refreshing to at least see an instrument that suggests $1000 to $4000 is the range.

Bob
 
Last edited:
5
•••
Excellent Work! The USP of your estimator is the Value Range it provides.
A fixed value of a domain is more than confusing in pricing it for sale.
Since you are still testing it out, I hope the variations in the range every time one regenerates the same domain name, narrows down to an average range.
Thank You.
 
2
•••
It has the classic tokenization problem. Similar to how when you ask an AI how many r's are in "strawberry" and it insists there are two, because of the way the prompt gets tokenized. I tried it on a five-letter domain, and it said it is memorable because it is a four-letter domain.

It's very problematic that the ranges it gives change wildly running the same domain multiple times. I'm guessing this is because you didn't roll your own valuation model based on actual sales data like GoDaddy did, and you're just letting an LLM guess at a range based on articles it has read online.

Honestly I can get almost identical results by just asking ChatGPT 4o something like this:



I'm guessing that's pretty much just what you're doing here, engineering a basic prompt and feeding it to an LLM. Only you're using a less expensive model, because I tried the same five-letter domain and ChatGPT correctly said it was memorable because it has just five characters (not four like yours).

Not trying to rain on your parade, but you're really only saving people from having to write a short prompt, you didn't actually develop an AI like your original post suggests.

Here's what ChatGPT said for example:



Compared to your tool:



Crazy how similar the responses are:

"Psyop" is an abbreviation for "psychological operations," a term widely recognized in military and strategic contexts.

"Psyop" is shorthand for "psychological operations," a term commonly used in military and strategic communication contexts.

It gave me extremely low values for single character sub-domains. I'll wait until further updates to use it again.
 
0
•••
Dynadot โ€” .com TransferDynadot โ€” .com Transfer
Appraise.net
Spaceship
Domain Recover
CatchDoms
DomainEasy โ€” Zero Commission
  • The sidebar remains visible by scrolling at a speed relative to the pageโ€™s height.
Back