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Various AI implementations do this - e.g. the Atom AI logo generator occasionally leaves out a letter, and Chat GPT sometimes simply makes up believable, but nonexistent, references if you insist it give scholarly references.

This means we all should be careful of AI, much more so than I think the majority of people and even business leaders are, but as Hinton and others stress AI is meant to emulate how people think, and people have those same imperfections, and sometimes exaggerate or even make things up. It is important to think of AI in this way. Confabulation is apparently the preferred technical term for these.

Sure, I think the About on the site makes it clear that this, like virtually every application of AI, is depending on one or more of the big models, I assume. And yes, you could undoubtedly get a similar thing directly by writing the right prompts. I view this as an ease of use question, frankly like almost every other AI agent right now.

I would never use only this, or any other, valuator. It is one way of looking at a name. There is definitely value in looking at comparator sales, and probably value in considering algorithmic valuators that concentrate on various aspects of a name.

A lot of people are concerned about the variability in the estimates. I agree with @SuperBrander if there is much variability, it will make this not very useful as a way to support the value of a name to a potential buyer. On the other hand, if you took the 20 best art experts, and had them look at a novel new work, I am pretty sure you would get 20 different ranges of price. And also pretty sure, if you asked the same expert to look again six months later, would not give exactly the same range. Each domain name is a unique digital asset. If one has AI, rather than algorithmic, approaches, it is to be expected the range will be different in different queries, because each one is like asking a new expert, to some degree.

@Michael concern about pricing being based on vague generalities that the AI 'read' in its training is indeed a concern.
I don't know enough about the training to comment more.

For me, this was the test. I tried it with a bunch of names mainly that I had for sale, and a few that I had sold, with a price in mind for each. Most of the time the price I had in mind fell somewhere in the range suggested by the tool. Also, I checked it with a few names that I honestly feel are special, but that other valuators treated as mundane, kind of are these names better than most of the very mundane names in my portfolio. A number of times this tool indeed placed them higher, which increased my view of it.

I have not yet done a truly systematic look. For example have not really looked at what it says for elite level names, and only a handful of the type of names that BrandBucket and Atom handle. But for a recent release I am impressed. Still all the usual caveats about any automated valuator are relevant.

Most of the domain experts are, generally rightly, highly critical of domain valuation in any automated way. It would be interesting to have a panel of 10 experts agree to do a truly blind valuation of a set of names. Both to see variability among the experts, and how frequently the expert price was somewhere in the range suggested by this.

I have for years bristled every time I see an appraisal tell me the value of a name is $1473 (as though anyone knows it precisely). It is refreshing to at least see an instrument that suggests $1000 to $4000 is the range.

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I get the overall point you're making but in this early beta stage the evaluations are lopsided. Humbleworth.com gives you a price range as well. The weakness of Humbleworth.com sometimes it incorrectly reports a domain as being lengthy and it's the opposite.

I'll put this tool in rotation after it's updated.
 
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Humbleworth.com gives you a price range as well.
I agree that Humbleworth is a worthy appraisal instrument, and as you say it too gives a range. It also, in addition to marketplace, suggests prices with an active broker approach and if put in auction. The Humbleworth AI from their description seems well thought out, and it is a more mature instrument at this point.

I like your idea of keeping an eye on multiple instruments in rotation, as collectively they probably offer a better balance than any one alone.

The Dynadot appraisal also uses AI, although I am not clear if they have shared any details about how it works. Probably Humbleworth comes closest to giving an idea of the methodology, without giving away trade secrets.

-Bob
 
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Haha, I've sold many of my 4L .com's back in the day, and this was the leftover.
I surely could sense the same somewhat. You could still sell this one make money and host the business on another more suitable one , was the whole idea to be taken from it.
 
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Bulk tool with CSV download and/or Google Sheets export...
What do you want in the export file? Price Range, Name Characteristics, Potential Usage & Industry, Sample outbound email?
What about the potential email and contact information of potential buyers?

A lot can be automated, and there may be significant costs for the computing and API access.

The question is, how much are you willing to pay for the bulk tool? I'm trying to determine if there is a market for this or if most people just want something free.
 
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I surely could sense the same somewhat. You could still sell this one make money and host the business on another more suitable one , was the whole idea to be taken from it.
another like domaintle .com probably, which sound brandable. Or may be like sharpsquirrel .com, in that league, as per personal choice. But I would recommend still the former which are relatable. Especially for this business, otherwise products and company names, 4L is fine, which in any case you can get a very good price, whenever you like, so might as well think. All the best ! Look forward to use the link and thanks to Bob for suggesting this.
 
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I agree that Humbleworth is a worthy appraisal instrument, and as you say it too gives a range. It also, in addition to marketplace, suggests prices with an active broker approach and if put in auction. The Humbleworth AI from their description seems well thought out, and it is a more mature instrument at this point.

I like your idea of keeping an eye on multiple instruments in rotation, as collectively they probably offer a better balance than any one alone.

The Dynadot appraisal also uses AI, although I am not clear if they have shared any details about how it works. Probably Humbleworth comes closest to giving an idea of the methodology, without giving away trade secrets.

-Bob
Thanks Bob for suggesting this thread. Seems quite useful.
 
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What do you want in the export file? Price Range, Name Characteristics, Potential Usage & Industry, Sample outbound email?
What about the potential email and contact information of potential buyers?

A lot can be automated, and there may be significant costs for the computing and API access.

The question is, how much are you willing to pay for the bulk tool? I'm trying to determine if there is a market for this or if most people just want something free.
Personally, I'd prefer free and I guess that means like other places limited appraisals and/or data to download - which I am OK with. I use NameWorth and Dynadot mostly and both are limited for free accounts. I used to use Graen but then it started to return errors and nothing but errors so I gave up on that one.
 
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It looks like the daily limit was reached, and I need to add more money to the project API. (That's the reason it's not working)

It is fixed now.
 
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Thanks for the initiative and effort, but it looks like it needs some more data source and fine-tuning.

The valuations either way above or way below what it should be.
 

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I used it to appraise PEGH dot com before I read this thread. After getting the first appraisal of 10k-50k and reading the paragraphs, I hit regenerate and was surprised that the value was now 10-25k and so I regenerated again and this time it was 5k-25k.

As others have said, the range appraisal is a good idea. Figuring out a way to get a consistent value output would definitely be a must for me to consider using it (though I recall 10+ years ago when domainers were mocked for ever quoting Estibot and now I see domainers praising it).

I wonder if there couldn't be a prompt to run the request on a domain 10 times and then compile those results into a final output and would the ranges in value still fluctuate so much?
 
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Thanks for the initiative and effort, but it looks like it needs some more data source and fine-tuning.

The valuations either way above or way below what it should be.
I chuckled when I saw the estimate for cars dot com was at $872M to 1.5B. But then I did some research, and based on the current stock price, the company is valued at 1.25B, which is actually within the range. Can we really separate the domain name value from the company? I'm not sure.

The tool is based on my own estimation philosophy and tailored to how I would use the tool: a starting point for ideas to justify the value and to negotiate with someone interested in acquiring the domain name.

I wonder if there couldn't be a prompt to run the request on a domain 10 times and then compile those results into a final output and would the ranges in value still fluctuate so much?
The current setting for the tools is slightly more "creative," which means the range is more random. I do have a different page that is set to be more "deterministic" for the consistent estimated value: https://eztc.com/domain-investor-toolkit/
 
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The "company" is valued at $1B, not the domain name.
exactly, its easy to separate the price of the domain from a company's value. Thats why its an asset not the company itself.
 
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exactly, its easy to separate the price of the domain from a company's value. Thats why its an asset not the company itself.

What is the reasonable price for the domain cars dot com? I entered Apple dot com, and it returned hundreds of millions to billions. What can we use the information for?

BTW, the Domain-Investor-Toolkit page gave more reasonable numbers:
cars dot com is at $10 to $50M
apple dot com is at $100 to 500M
 
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What is the reasonable price for the domain cars dot com? I entered Apple dot com, and it returned hundreds of millions to billions. What can we use the information for?

BTW, the Domain-Investor-Toolkit page gave more reasonable numbers:
cars dot com is at $10 to $50M
apple dot com is at $100 to 500M
$25 - $45 million
 
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$25 - $45 million
apple dot com would be $50-$75 million, its only valuable because apple, inc has it, think if they changed their name how the domain would depreciate.
 
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FOR YOU IS IT CORRECT!?!?! :unsure:
 
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