Domain name expiring at Tucows. Do they have an agreements with Snap or Namejet or ?

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Hi all, I'm eyeing a domain name that is expiring at Tucows. Do they have an agreements with Snapnames or Namejet or anyone else?

Snapnames is showing a "releases on" date. It doesn't even come up on the search at Namejet.

I thought Tucows had an agreement with Namejet.

What's the deal?

 

[Erdy]

Tucows has partnered with snapnames. The day you see at snapnames is the last day you need to place a backorder. On that day the auction will start at snapnames. The domain is already pushed into the snapnames system. What else do you want?

By the way, instead searching multiple sites you can search the domain on namecatch which will always redirect you to the correct auction house for pre release expired domains. This way you don't need to know what registrar works with what auction house.

 

[Ms Domainer]

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If it's an expiring name (pending deletion), it will be dropped. Period.

Only pre-releases go to partners.

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[dr manos]

Tucows has partnered with snapnames. The day you see at snapnames is the last day you need to place a backorder. .

I think with Tucows domain, backordered is not needed at all? It will go to public auction even without bids

 

[Erdy]

I think with Tucows domain, backordered is not needed at all? It will go to public auction even without bids

I don't think so. I grabbed 200 random domains that are in public auction without any bids and the source is "expiring" (pre-release) and they are all moniker, register.com and few domains are of some unheard smaller registrars. I wouldn't risk it.

What you are saying is somebody else could see the bid and jump in if it is a public auction. But this is maybe %2 risk even if it is a public auction. However by not backordering it you won't be getting the domain at all which is very likely what would happen if you don't backorder on time.

The OP seems to be somewhat disappointed of seeing only a date on snapnames. However this is great news and this is all the information that he needs if it is a pre-release domain (a domain that has expired within the last 45 days).



---------- Post added at 09:17 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:13 PM ----------

If it's an expiring name (pending deletion)

I think you confused the terms. Expiring is used for pre-release and not pending delete. One possible reason why you might have confused them is because some people who use "expiring" for pre-release also use "expired" for pending delete. However these two terms are too close to each other. Maybe a website you saw confused you.

expiring (snapnames) = pre-release (namejet) = partner registrar
deleting (snapnames) = pending-delete (namejet) = dropping = expired

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[dr manos]

I don't think so. I grabbed 200 random domains that are in public auction without any bids and the source is "expiring" (pre-release) and they are all moniker, register.com and few domains are of some unheard smaller registrars. I wouldn't risk it.

Yep thanks, you are right, the only 100% public auctions without backordering bids are from register.com and Moniker at Snap.
Btw, the public auction duration is stable for all domains there?

 

[Domainace]

Yep thanks, you are right, the only 100% public auctions without backordering bids are from register.com and Moniker at Snap.
Btw, the public auction duration is stable for all domains there?

Actually, that's register.com, Moniker...
and Tucows.

 

[Erdy]

So you are suggesting that although there is almost no chance that somebody else might follow what OP is backordering, the OP should still delay backordering the domain on time assuming that snapnames will send it to public auction and should risk losing the domain completely? This is not the best idea I have heard.

Here are 14 Tucows domains that have 5 hours 30 minutes to go on snapnames pre-release.

ndmaz.com
djewe.com
dyeno.com
madom.com
ilaje.com
tmduk.com
csmpe.com
uioli.com
ourxs.com
uptof.com
vqart.com
tpusi.com
mearp.com
desrl.com

Let's wait 6 hours and see if all of them go to public auction regardless they have bids or not. If you are correct all of these domains should be in public auction in 6 hours. Personally I wouldn't be so worried about other bidders following me.

 

[Domainace]

I wasn't suggesting anything..but I can't figure out who else you might be talking to

 

[Erdy]

Domainace, I fact in fact responding to your message. I think trying to backorder at the last minute and taking it to the extreme by not backordering on the given time assuming that certain domains (moniker, register.com and maybe tucows?) go to public auction anyway, is overkill.

I understand your point. You are saying that there are people who check what domains have bids and then they join those auctions. Therefore you need to bid at the last minutes to avoid possible competition if there are no bids already.

But I have just found another reason why this is a bad idea. I just checked a few of the domains I posted in my previous message. Their last backorder date changed from 22 October to 25 October with the last few hours. This means you can not trust the date and assume that it will run 3 more days. It is getting over complicated for such a worry to avoid hypothetical competition. If those 3 days are already added the auction will finish for good at the time and date that displays there.

Anyway, the point is, the fact that there is a date on snapnames is all the information the OP needs and I strongly suggest placing a backorder before that date or risk losing the domain forever. This is what I would do myself.

 

[Domainace]

Erdinc, there's no way I could advice the OP, as I still haven't figured out how I will approach these domains myself. I have been trying to follow some names to see what happens to them, so far without much enlightenment.

I still use Snapnames myself, as much as I resent them. Sometimes you just have to hold your nose and pretend that sh*t smells good. At least if you really want a particular domain name.

I would like to see what happens to those 14 domain names though.

 

[Erdy]

Their date was extended by 3 more days. However there is no way of looking at a domain and figuring out whether it has already extended 3 more days or not. Let's say a moniker domain closes tomorrow. Is it already extended 3 days or not? There is no way to tell. Maybe it will end completely when the given time is over instead going a further 3 day auction. Also these extensions might depend on data transfer between the registrar and snapnames and someting might go wrong with the communication between them.

Imagine you take the bus every morning to go to work. Sometimes you come across to a friend who also takes the same bus but this person talks a lot and you want to avoid him. You must be on time for work but the next bus can come too late. In a scenario like this, to avoid the friend to whom you might not run across at all, do you think it is better to be late at the bus stop on purpose?

My point is, with such detailed calculations there is a higher chance it will go wrong and you will totally miss the domain. However, the snapnames system is indeed over complicated. I agree with you and I don't like them for complicating things either.

Once I joined a pre-release moniker auction and there were 3 people when the auction started. Then more people came in while the auction was already running. I was very upset with snapnames for allowing others to join. They should definitely do it the godaddy style. Why not just put all pre-release domains to public auction from the beginning on and have only one final closing time?

I think the reason why they are not doing this is because they started with pending deletes first which need to be caught. With pending deletes you can't run a public auction without backorders because first you need to know what domains to catch.

However pre-release domains are already in the system. They should do it the Godaddy way. I also like Godaddy closeouts. They allow 12 days for auction and if no bids they change to buy now during the last few days. I don't want to pay $79 for a pre-release domain.

I think snapnames is using a wrong system and not only they annoy customers they also don't maximise their profits.

 

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Whoa, this thread got big within the last day. I was definitely happy to see that there was a "releases on" date for the domain. So it appears to be a pre-release name.

It's strange though, I had gone ahead before I had even read this thread and put in my backorder. After reading this thread, I searched for the name LOGGED OUT of the system and I was disappointed to see that it showed a bid for the name (most likely me) just because I don't want to draw attention to the name. I have since removed my backorder and will place it closer to the date.

That's where it gets a little strange. If I am logged in, it shows that it "releases on" one date. But if I am logged out, it shows me an "order by" date that's three days later.

In my previous experience, whenever I've seen a "releases on" date, I always gotten the name on that date. Those were pending deletes from unpartnered registrars though.

 

[dr manos]

Many thanks to Erdnic for his case study at Snapnames platform.
Will watch myself also but it seems there is nothing stable in dates.

Anyway many thanks