Domain Landers OR Own Landers For 2020??

[Nattydomain]

So basically with the new year approaching I want to get back into my names. I been doing other things and letting a lot of domains expire and such but want to rope it back in.

Right now about 85% of my own domains are with Godaddy BIN landers. Now they show my domain at my BIN but they list tons more in other extensions and variables that I think detours the user from my domain to another one. I seen a lot of post with domains sold with Dan lander as well. I used to do some others but due to fees and no sales canceled.

So back into the decision making time again and what would be best or that you THINK is best AND trustworthy to the buyer. Godaddy (if they got better or different landers), Afternic Landers, Dan Landers or somehow doing my very own so everything goes to me?

What say you!

 

[biggie]

For my domains Dan is more like transaction provider "bring your own customer and we'll check you out"

Hi

yeah, basically, they all are just "transaction providers".
some offer more or less additional services and some charge more or less and some get more or less visitors, than some others.

they save us the cost and time, to validate and process payments.
and in return, we agree to the commission they charge for that service.

imo...

 

[Rattyfish]

I've just parked all mine with Epik. I like the design/s and I think they'll be the registrar/marketplace to beat from here on out.

 

[Rob Monster]

@epik if your Sales Lander would be such a valuable tool for all of the domainers
why don't you open it to all of us

why do you need to transfer your names to epik first?

ICYMI, NamePros members can be approved to put their domains into Epik even if their domains are registered elsewhere. If you are wondering why we offer that option for free, for non-Epik domains there are two big themes:

1. When they get a big sale via marketplace or escrow they are able to buklk fund their transfers or new creates using proceeds. They can also use proceeds to buy from Afternic and Sedo MLS without markup.

2. When they get an inquiry via Make Offer and it is is a qualified lead on a non-Epik domain, they will start a transfer into Epik.

The only thing the folks who don't have domains at Epik can't do is do leasing and financing. If they want to start one of those, the domain would need to be at Epik.

For most registrars, they can transfer their domains within an hour. Some registrars make you wait up to 8 days to do a transfer. People should run away from those registrars as fast as possible.

 

[Mister Funsky]

What say you!

Epik is the way to go...period. I'm just popping in and out until later tonight but the ssl landers are getting indexed well just as said above. If you add relevant info and use basic tag,word,etc. info in the description field it helps. Just make the change on a few names and then go back and check bingo, giggle, ducky in a week or so and see how it improves in results...it actually surprised me.

 

[Rob Monster]

I will switch to Epik once they have visit tracking (maybe it is my responsibility, not theirs?). Visit tracking would work well together with outbounding. At least it would mean I can do experiments and get feedback and learn something. Also maybe they can help with responding to inquiries..

It is there today:

https://epik.com/support/knowledgebase/add-google-analytics-in-bulk-to-premium-ssl-landing-pages/

If you want natively embedded visitor tracking, we also have that capability. We did not deploy it into the control panel because the data sets get really huge for domains that get bot traffic.

Have you tried activating the Google Analytics code? For many people this is superior. Why?

1. It is independently verifiable.

2. If someone buys your domain, you can also transfer them the historical analytics data.

3. The re-targeting capability is high, e.g. re-target people who got to a bid page.

 

[Brands.International]

ICYMI, NamePros members can be approved to put their domains into Epik even if their domains are registered elsewhere. If you are wondering why we offer that option for free, for non-Epik domains there are two big themes:

1. When they get a big sale via marketplace or escrow they are able to buklk fund their transfers or new creates using proceeds. They can also use proceeds to buy from Afternic and Sedo MLS without markup.

2. When they get an inquiry via Make Offer and it is is a qualified lead on a non-Epik domain, they will start a transfer into Epik.

The only thing the folks who don't have domains at Epik can't do is do leasing and financing. If they want to start one of those, the domain would need to be at Epik.

For most registrars, they can transfer their domains within an hour. Some registrars make you wait up to 8 days to do a transfer. People should run away from those registrars as fast as possible.

From the perspective of leasing and financing, one big advantage of Dan.com is: you do not need to change your actual registrar if you want to have leasing or financing options available - just load your names to Dan.com (takes literally few seconds), and by few clicks you can set up your leasing or financing options. Very easy, I recommend this.

Again, the big advantage is that you can leave your names at your current registrar - no need to transfer them somewhere else, you can enjoy the registrar which works best for you

 

[Bob Hawkes]

you can enjoy the registrar which works best for you

I agree but if your domains are already at Epik, they offer more flexibility than DAN re lengths of term, whether you want interest applied, etc. I agree that DAN payment plans are trivially easy to set up, but if your domains are at Epik it is almost as easy and the payback is you have more options to offer a prospective buyer.

Also the potential buyer can contact you and you can work with them (e.g. maybe they want it set up with a longer term), no hiding of contact information, which I suspect is helpful. The terms of the payment plans are a bit more obvious to prospective buyers at Epik I think.

I have some of my domain names at value prices and like that Epik do not set a lower limit as well (although DANs $495+ is not very restrictive).

I am not pushing one or the other. As I mentioned elsewhere I have payment plans in place (for different domain names) at all of DAN, Epik and NameSilo. I like them all. If others would offer them, I would like them too .

I don't primarily pick a registrar for a domain name based on payment plan availability, but whether it has a marketplace, how nice the landers are, and whether payment plans offered are 3 of my considerations (along with many other things like price, ease of use, customer support, trust, etc.) It is the same thing re transfers - with attractive pricing I will transfer a domain name to a provider with a marketplace and payment plan and nice landers (and have done that with some).

Bob

 

[Bob Hawkes]

At least in Dan you can do advanced domain search, I am not sure if that is available in Efty and Epik

Yes for sure you can do advanced search in Epik marketplace and in fact it has way more parameters that can be adjusted than DAN advanced search. In both cases (DAN and Epik) the advanced search is only obvious after you start a simple search. In Epik you can search based on TLD, price, length, number of words, category, listing type, etc. Here is part of a screen but there are a number more parameters below the part I captured.
Bob

 

[topdom]

I've just parked all mine with Epik. I like the design/s and I think they'll be the registrar/marketplace to beat from here on out.

Does it work? Sedo and Afternic do better than usual nowadays, so I'm not sure how switching to Epik would affect everything. Recently at Epik landing pages I get job inquiries. Visitors think there is a real site there. I must sell some domains at Epik to save time. I plan to add a nice background image. (paypal screwed everything, don't keep too much money in your paypal, otherwise they will enjoy stealing it, and show middlefinger).

 

[Rob Monster]

Maybe Epik provides backlinks from trustable sources to your domain, but then can't admit it publicly if this is the case.
Onsite Seo can make a difference when there is not much competition.
Or maybe there is no seo advantage, but the landing page make visitors think, the owner of this domain made a lot of effort to prepare this page, so this domain must be worth it.
Some of my domains at Sedo receive over 100 visits per day, but doesn't get any inquiries. If they were at Epik woud things get better, not sure, but I won't know much about visits then.
If you can add content you can improve onsite Seo, target some keywords etc.

Look for a move soon that will add free SEO scorecarding tools for any domain using the Epik SSL landers.

We are also looking at integrated solutions for measure SEO keyword rank and adding sponsored content, so you get paid for displaying content that improves rank. Double-dip.

AI is going to play a very large role in what happens with the next phase of domains:

- What domain to buy/keep
- What content to feature to whom and when on what device
- What price to charge to whom
- Whom to follow up with when and how

The landers we have are smart, e.g. right currency, right language and loading fast on web and mobile with proper rendering. However, this is baby steps compared to what is coming!

I am convinced that a new golden age for domaining is open us. The scope for value-creation on the Internet is already massive and that is before making another billion new netizens productive.

I share this openly because there is plenty of upside for everyone. There is no need to have a scarcity mindset if you leverage the vast array of tools that are available to you for little or nothing.

To those who want to co-create with us, I say: let's go!

To those who want to compete with us, I say: good luck!

To those want to mock us, I say: good day!

Keep making lemons into lemonade while you find your calling.

Good times ahead, folks.

 

[Ostrados]

Look for a move soon that will add free SEO scorecarding tools for any domain using the Epik SSL landers.

We are also looking at integrated solutions for measure SEO keyword rank and adding sponsored content, so you get paid for displaying content that improves rank. Double-dip.

AI is going to play a very large role in what happens with the next phase of domains:

- What domain to buy/keep
- What content to feature to whom and when on what device
- What price to charge to whom
- Whom to follow up with when and how

The landers we have are smart, e.g. right currency, right language and loading fast on web and mobile with proper rendering. However, this is baby steps compared to what is coming!

I am convinced that a new golden age for domaining is open us. The scope for value-creation on the Internet is already massive and that is before making another billion new netizens productive.

I share this openly because there is plenty of upside for everyone. There is no need to have a scarcity mindset if you leverage the vast array of tools that are available to you for little or nothing.

To those who want to co-create with us, I say: let's go!

To those who want to compete with us, I say: good luck!

To those want to mock us, I say: good day!

Keep shooting the moon and making lemons into lemonade while you find your calling.

Good times ahead, folks.

Rob please repsect our intellegent, you can promote your landing page (which I like very much) based on many other features other than SEO! You can talk about integrated SSL, payment options, leads,..etc. But SEO is not one of the features that are relevant to domain landing pages.

And BTW sponsored content (ADs) does not improve SEO ranking, that is equivalent to saying that a blog can get ranked higher for showing google Adwords content.

thanks

 

[eurorealtor]

I was wondering how long ago your experiment was since I think in the months after the DAN rebranding there is more marketplace search action at DAN than there was previously.
Thanks
Bob

Bob, it was just most recently, after they rebranded to Dan (past 2-3 months). For my domains Dan is more like transaction provider "bring your own customer and we'll check you out"

 

[Ostrados]

Why does organic traffic even matter?! Do you think that someone will search google for "Buy Drone Domain" to find "DroneWhatsover.com" in search results and then buy the domain!

In reality here how this works: someone, somewhere types your domain name in Godaddy and finds that it is taken, so he/she visits the domain out of curiosity to see how it looks, to find a landing page and get surprised that the domain is for sale, if there is enough interest he/she will make offer or hit BIN,

 

[TCK]

Just read what people are saying:

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I recommend people do split-testing.

I know people are seeing accelerating pace of offers after they deploy them.

One of the issues folks have is that people think it is a real site probably because search took them there.

Seem my advice above:

https://www.namepros.com/threads/domain-landers-or-own-landers-for-2020.1164548/#post-7503567

It is better than PPC and we are innovating rapidly. We are also happy to run controlled experiments with anyone that has testable SEO hypotheses they want to test.

There is a big difference from being indexed and appearing high in organic search results. If you type the exact domain in G, then the landing page will show up. That has nothing to do with SSL.

Why does organic traffic even matter?!

Organic traffic is a big selling point if the domain ranks high for a popular keyword that the buyer wants to rank high for. Saves thousands in SEO costs.

 

[Ostrados]

blue fog domain

bloxers domain name

Who will search for "Blue fog domain" and "bloxers domain name"?
What is the monthly search volume for these keywords? It is certainly 0

Your landing page will never get ranked for the main keyword, try to search for "blue fog" or "bluefog" where is your domain lander ranked now? can you find it in first 20 pages in Google?

And even if it was ranked high how that will benefit you and how that will increase sales?

 

[Nikhil Jain]

So basically with the new year approaching I want to get back into my names. I been doing other things and letting a lot of domains expire and such but want to rope it back in.

Right now about 85% of my own domains are with Godaddy BIN landers. Now they show my domain at my BIN but they list tons more in other extensions and variables that I think detours the user from my domain to another one. I seen a lot of post with domains sold with Dan lander as well. I used to do some others but due to fees and no sales canceled.

So back into the decision making time again and what would be best or that you THINK is best AND trustworthy to the buyer. Godaddy (if they got better or different landers), Afternic Landers, Dan Landers or somehow doing my very own so everything goes to me?

What say you!

I plan to stick to DAN.com. Those are working well for me and looking forward to their revamped pages in the new year as they have announced.

 

[topdom]

I have never used G.A. (yet). I don't even use gmail: they require phone number, and javascript. ( Life is difficult without js , but I prefer not to have it in email. Yahoo is forcing us to enable js, and I continue resisting it. )

 

[Rob Monster]

@Rob Monster

I don't know if this statement of yours passes the smell test.

When you write "organic traffic" above, this would lead one to think that the landers are getting traffic from organic search results.

SSL is not a magic pill that makes single page landers appear in the first 3 or 5 SERPs.

If a stand-alone lander has little to no original content and contains duplicate content then it doesn't matter if it is on an SSL or not.

How do you differentiate between type-in, bot and organic traffic? Do you have stats to back that statement up? On what basis do you believe that the trend should continue to improve?

Just read what people are saying:

I recommend people do split-testing.

I know people are seeing accelerating pace of offers after they deploy them.

One of the issues folks have is that people think it is a real site probably because search took them there.

Seem my advice above:

https://www.namepros.com/threads/domain-landers-or-own-landers-for-2020.1164548/#post-7503567

It is better than PPC and we are innovating rapidly. We are also happy to run controlled experiments with anyone that has testable SEO hypotheses they want to test.

 

[Brands.International]

So basically with the new year approaching I want to get back into my names. I been doing other things and letting a lot of domains expire and such but want to rope it back in.

Right now about 85% of my own domains are with Godaddy BIN landers. Now they show my domain at my BIN but they list tons more in other extensions and variables that I think detours the user from my domain to another one. I seen a lot of post with domains sold with Dan lander as well. I used to do some others but due to fees and no sales canceled.

So back into the decision making time again and what would be best or that you THINK is best AND trustworthy to the buyer. Godaddy (if they got better or different landers), Afternic Landers, Dan Landers or somehow doing my very own so everything goes to me?

What say you!

I personally would go for Dan.com these days - I have them for most of my domain names

 

[Kai W.]

I am currently using dan, but I insist that if you have a lot of liquid or strong strong name, you should use it separately to build your own SSL lander for your liquid domain.

 

[oskaaay]

For the lander, am building my own brand in expired domain niche. So, prefer 99% to be on my custom lander and that's where have been selling my domains from.
Just look for what works for you
Note: I have web design, digital marketing and SEO skill (about 7years+) which gives me an added advantage to use my own lander and still make sales. If you don't have any of those skills and not ready to acquire it as a domainer you had better use 3rd party landers to make sales.

 

[eurorealtor]

What say you!

I tried to point 100 domain's name servers to Dan for one month. I had "lot" of traffic. After one month I redirected all the domain's name servers back to my own "marketplace" and the traffic at Dan went to 5-10 visitors per month (per 100 domains) ever since. It was disappointment, if I don't brink my own traffic to Dan, my domains are just lost in the ocean. So I count on my own marketplace / landing pages.

 

[frank-germany]

Maybe Epik provides backlinks from trustable sources to your domain, but then can't admit it publicly if this is the case...

oh yeah,
maybe they even buy targeted visitors
to make you sell

they have a lot of secret tools in place, you know...

but of course, they can not prove any of it
as it's top-secret

and they wouldn't anyway
as they simply don't talk much about their secret stuff

Onsite Seo can make a difference when there is not much competition.
Or maybe there is no seo advantage,...

yes
that may be so

I've thought about it myself lately

why would people spend 10.000 's dollars
for SEO or more
when you just need an epik sales lander?

but the landing page make visitors think, the owner of this domain made a lot of effort to prepare this page, so this domain must be worth it...

true
but true for dan / sedo / efty / afternic, too

and actually
it doesn't look that preciously to me

more like a template at templatemonster
( sorry just a joke .. )

Some of my domains at Sedo receive over 100 viits per day, but doesn't get any inquiries.

traffic has no or at least little correlation with sales

If they were at Epik woud things get better, not sure, but I won't know much about visits then..

that's my main issue with sedo versus dan
same for afternic

you know nothing about your visitors
dan is the only place where I can add g.analytics

If you can add content you can improve onsite Seo, target some keywords etc.

as we already discussed
that most likely won't do much for you
other then you have a lot of extra work



@epik please proof how on page SEO can enhance sales
please supply data

otherwise, your Landing Page sales pitch is misleading information
and nothing more than a sales pitch


@epik if your Sales Lander would be such a valuable tool for all of the domainers
why don't you open it to all of us

why do you need to transfer your names to epik first?

@Mod Team Bravo
@Mod Team Alfa
@Mod Team Echo
@Mod Team Foxtrot

all of epik post about the sales lander are promotional posts
as in order to use them, first you need to transfer your names to epik as a registrar

 

[Ostrados]

Bob, it was just most recently, after they rebranded to Dan (past 2-3 months). For my domains Dan is more like transaction provider "bring your own customer and we'll check you out"

I dont think Epik or Efty do better than that, thet are basically checkout providers. At least in Dan you can do advanced domain search, I am not sure if that is available in Efty and Epik.