Does It Pay To Be A Racist?

[sanfran]

Does It Pay To Be A Racist?

Yuri Sidorenko is active in Ukrainian politics, mostly with the fringe parties on the right.
But recently it became clear that at the same time he is trading domains, mostly .pro and .in variety on the Russian forums.
The largest Russian forum, domenforum, expelled him for the blatant anti-Russian and anti-Semitic statements.

There are rumors that Sidorenko is active at NP as well.

:lol:

 

[mis_chiff]

Being racist will get you absolutely no where in life, some people prefer
certain TLD's as well as the friends they keep.

Speaks volumes actually

and rumors should not be spread

 

[Domainace]

Being racist will get you absolutely no where in life,

I sadly disagree. Racism is very effective in politics, and widespread. As I write this, the Chinese government is using racism against Japan to control their populace. Nothing appeals to the lowest impulses in people better than finding an enemy.

 

[mis_chiff]

I sadly disagree. Racism is very effective in politics, and widespread. As I write this, the Chinese government is using racism against Japan to control their populace. Nothing appeals to the lowest impulses in people better than finding an enemy.

Just because it is practised [along with many other questionable ethics]
doesn't make it right or acceptable in a civilized world.

My brother just came back from teaching 2 years in China
and he never personally encountered racisim from anyone.
Lots of other really strange things, but not racisim.

The government is another story altogether.
Goes along with listening to the people, which they don't

but seriously, racisim over the different TLD's ccTLD's is just plain silly

 

[sanfran]

racisim over the different TLD's ccTLD's is just plain silly

Is that a sickness or what?

forum... expelled him for the blatant anti-Russian and anti-Semitic statements

 

[iowadawg]

Wait, he is Ukranian?
No wonder a Russian forum threw him out.
No love lost between those two.

So the way I look at it, the Russians here are the racists.

 

[sanfran]

I take it it's just a case of senior senility.
Half of the people on the Russian forums are Ukrainians.

 

[dnb8]

\blatant anti-Russian\

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dEgTy3bDf0"]JohnB "Send My Love To Mother Russia" [FREE DOWNLOAD] - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Sabre]

If he was black, he probably would have stolen the domains so it would be more understandable.

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If I told the above to my black friends, they would laugh. But, most people will probably read this and automatically think it is a horrendous comment.

Racism is commonplace, but I think sometimes people make it into a far bigger issue than it actually is.

Discrimination through racism is the most common form of racism - blatant racism, certainly in the UK, is dealt with swiftly and harshly by the UK authorities.

Example: here

There's a time and a place for racism, sexism and all the other ism's - that is with your friends and family, not in the public domain. Although, that is a typically British mentality - if you can't rip into the person sat opposite you at the dinner table, then clearly you're not as close to them as you think you are

 

[Domainace]

Just because it is practised [along with many other questionable ethics]
doesn't make it right or acceptable in a civilized world.

My brother just came back from teaching 2 years in China
and he never personally encountered racisim from anyone.
Lots of other really strange things, but not racisim.

The government is another story altogether.
Goes along with listening to the people, which they don't

but seriously, racisim over the different TLD's ccTLD's is just plain silly

I lived there a few years myself. It's not racism, strictly speaking, but hate of any group is essentially the same.

The question was "does it pay?" I think so. While the government incites much of it, there are plenty of people who jump like trained dogs when the government says "Jump if you hate (insert group here)." Even for a government that would happily roll tanks over them if they dared criticize it.

 

[Sabre]

I lived there a few years myself. It's not racism, strictly speaking, but hate of any group is essentially the same.

The question was "does it pay?" I think so. While the government incites much of it, there are plenty of people who jump like trained dogs when the government says "Jump if you hate (insert group here)." Even for a government that would happily roll tanks over them if they dared criticize it.

The Chinese aren't racist - they just have underlying social issues with xenophobia. The US also similar issues, though obviously to a lesser extent.

 

[Domainace]

The Chinese aren't racist - they just have underlying social issues with xenophobia. The US also similar issues, though obviously to a lesser extent.

Specifically, they hate Japanese. That's not racism because they are the same race. But it's the same thing is what I was saying. They hate a particular group of people for who they are rather than anything they've done.

One could find other examples where race (maybe "bigotry" is the better term) is successfully used to gain political power, but I am just citing one that is close to me at the moment.

 

[Sabre]

The Chinese don't hate the Japanese per say - no Chinese person I know does.

The Chinese government hates the Japanese government & its policies (and visa versa) and some people will always follow what a government tells you to follow - thus a proportion of the Chinese population (living in China) will dislike the Japanese until their government decides otherwise. It's a little more complicated than Chinese people hate Japanese people.

 

[GILSAN]

Discrimination through racism is the most common form of racism - blatant racism, certainly in the UK, is dealt with swiftly and harshly by the UK authorities.

Example: here

Silly woman. Doesn't she know that London is no longer British and in a few years the same will happen to the rest of the UK? I'll bet if she beat the shit out of someone or looted and set buildings on fire like what happened in last years riots, she would have gotten a lighter sentence.

Here's one British guy who has some harsh words about how the UK Police were forced to deal with last years Riots:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pAC0YSmK0g&feature=plcp"]Britain is a riot - YouTube[/ame]

Now, what to say about the article below, also from the same UK website you mentioned on your above link?

Drunk man who threatened to slit pregnant girlfriend’s throat with Stanley knife unless she converted to Islam is spared jail

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...onverted-Islam-spared-jail.html#ixzz26e09uCWi

So much for the swift and harsh law in the UK

 

[DU]

The Chinese don't hate the Japanese per say - no Chinese person I know does.

The Chinese government hates the Japanese government & its policies (and visa versa) and some people will always follow what a government tells you to follow - thus a proportion of the Chinese population (living in China) will dislike the Japanese until their government decides otherwise. It's a little more complicated than Chinese people hate Japanese people.

You don't think that perhaps some of stems from War Crimes and the approximately 10,000,000 people that the Japanese killed during WW II?

Lookup The Nanjing Massacre.

The events have been denied/played down etc. by Japanese diplomats/politicians as recently as 2010.

Correction:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203960804577238802680649914.html

 

[Sabre]

You don't think that perhaps some of stems from War Crimes and the approximately 10,000,000 people that the Japanese killed during WW II?

Lookup The Nanjing Massacre.

The events have been denied/played down etc. by Japanese diplomats/politicians as recently as 2010.

Correction:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203960804577238802680649914.html

Not all Chinese people live their lives on events that happened over half a century ago.

The same as many Brits and Americans don't.

But yes, certain prejudices will remain.

So much for the swift and harsh law in the UK

There's so, so much wrong with the application of law & sentencing in the UK. Don't even get me started

 

[sanfran]

WoW!
That's not what I had in mind.
I was trying to uncover an Ukrainian character who kind of was frozen in time, say, 100 years, and recently woken up.
In his previous life he was slaughtering Russians, Poles and Jews. Just for the heck of it. His leaders were Bandera and Petlura.
Now he goes by the German nick
Jurgen Wolf.

:bingo:

 

[DU]

Not all Chinese people live their lives on events that happened over half a century ago.

The same as many Brits and Americans don't.

But yes, certain prejudices will remain.

This is true; however, my understanding is that the taught history of events in Japan and China on the war crimes are quite different. I'm not in or spent time in either country to know the true depth of feeling between the nations; however, I think it's naive to say that there are just underlying xenophobic social issues.

I wouldn't imagine that most people would say that the Jews just have an underlying xenophobic social issues.

Now, of course, the diplomatic situation has changed dramatically over the course of the last 70 years ... some real apologies, some diplomatic, and some bold lies. No one can go back and really understand the conditions of war and what events transpired to make things happen one way or the other. Perhaps we need to fine tune out memories. We can move on from atrocities of 70 years ago - but we hold on to much lesser events from less than 20 years ago.

Racism is the results of cultivation by manipulative groups (including media) that preys on the fears that people have of their lives being less than what they "deserve". I can't use the word racism because it carries weight it shouldn't but there's a lot of propaganda, bigotry, and just little understanding in the world - and you can see it even here at NP.

There are some obvious paths from history to now that we all, more often than not, like to conveniently ignore:

"Now in the queues at immigration, in the border zone. We are your bastard children, all coming home"

Higher Wall, NMA.

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Interesting article I just read seems apropos:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/sep/16/bernhard-schlink-germany-burden-euro-crisis

 

[GILSAN]

[/COLOR]Interesting article I just read seems apropos:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/sep/16/bernhard-schlink-germany-burden-euro-crisis

Very interesting article indeed.

 

[Domainace]

The Chinese don't hate the Japanese per say - no Chinese person I know does.

Sorry, but then you only know Chinese overseas, who are not representative of the whole. Even then, people don't usually come out and say "I hate Japanese." I've spent years between both countries.

Of course, not all Chinese hate Japanese, but enough do that it could start a war. Of course they tend to be less educated and people who don't know any Japanese. Whenever there's a flare-up, Chinese tourism to Japan mostly continues until the government orders agents to shut it down.

Still...When Japanese are attacked in the streets, it gives them little comfort to say "not all Chinese hate you." Obviously, enough do that it's not safe.

You don't think that perhaps some of stems from War Crimes and the approximately 10,000,000 people that the Japanese killed during WW II?
Lookup The Nanjing Massacre.
The events have been denied/played down etc. by Japanese diplomats/politicians as recently as 2010.

Actually, I was surprise this wasn't brought up several posts back. People need a reason to hate, no matter how long ago. Japanese politicians are mostly scum, so what? You don't see 1000s of Japanese protesting the Mongol invasions or attacking Chinese in the streets in Japan.

And whatever the number of those killed by Japanese in the war, it was 80 years ago. Most people on either side were not even born when those events occurred. Many wars and hate campaigns are spurred by distant memories of injustice. That doesn't make it right.

And much more recently, many, many times the death and destruction was brought to China by their own. And the leader of that genocide (both cultural and human) is honored with his portrait looking over Tiananmen Square.

I am making a simple assertion here, really. There's a lot of hate/bigotry against the Japanese in China, and the government uses it successfully to hold onto power. I know this from personal experience, I've lived in both countries and I have close friends in both countries. It's a serious issue because it could lead to war. If China becomes unstable, some aspiring dictator could do very well by promising to crush Japan. Sure, many Chinese would be against that - but they might not be able to stop it. Racism/bigotry is powerful, and it often works.