.tv Crunch Time

[*AllThings.tv*]

At the moment, we are entering crunch time. The Internet is still expanding at a rapid pace and the different technologies coming to market continue to disrupt and destroy long established business models, like the one in the music business. The force to establish a memorable presence on the Internet is now greater than ever before. The availability of undeveloped dot com domain names is becoming more scarce by the second.

What extension do you think top ten companies in every industry will select for special online promotions, microsites, or video portals? Do you think they will add it on to their dot com sites, will they experiment with other extensions that do not signal that some social media experience awaits, or will they select dot tv name because its a logical fit?

I can't tell you the answer nor can any member of this forum, but what I can tell you is that many of us in the dot tv forum are betting that the trend will continue to be in the direction of dot tv.

Did the NBA, MLB, or the NHL get it wrong using dot tv to extend their brands: Welcome - NBA 2010 Live!, Postseason Subscription | MLB.com: Subscriptions, Launch NHL Video Portal Unfortunately, premium dot tv domain names were not priced so small-time domainers and developers could hoard them. Even some of the prices associated with premium dot tv names discourage development by bigger firms because they represent risk, unless those companies have an existing client or presence in the industry they would like to target.

Right now, its crunch time. Its been a few years now that dot tv has been marketed first by the dot tv corporation and now by eNom, which is a Demand Media company. In spite of whatever criticisms you have or might have had, the opportunity to get a generic keyword for this extension is closing and closing quickly. The fact that dropped premium dot tv names continue to get marked up suggests that eNom continues to receive some buyers at those prices and doesn't discourage the big fish from acquiring and developing them whenever they are ready to pursue an oppotunity.

As I write this, I think of all those who I have met on the forums or in person as the result of a relationship born on the forums. We continue to talk via instant messenger, by email or by phone. Those of you who visit this forum know who you are our outlook on dot tv remains unchanged. Many of us still feel two things. First, that we were lucky to have this opportunity. And second, that we were late to the game. Those two feelings will always be present because all of us share the same foundation. We were all late to the Internet game in general and we are all lucky to be presented with the opportunities that sit under our finger tips. At no other time in history has so much opportunity been in reach for any person of virtually any demographic.

Myself and others have dropped some premium dot tv names as we consolidated our individual portfolios to weather this recession. One of mine that comes to mind is fast.tv, which was a $10k premium that I got for a super steep discount back in the days of the dot tv corporation. I know that many of you have dropped your own premium dot tv names because they are not inexpensive to keep on the sidelines waiting for a unique buyer, whether another domainer or end user comes along with the same vision willing to pay a price that you think the name deserves.

So as this dot tv roller coaster continues, companies scramble to secure premium online real estate that will represent their brands currently and in the future. The single generic keyword dot tv domain names will be targeted first because they represent incredible opportunities for the brands that know how to leverage them and maximize their potential.

Who will own these premium dot tv names? The ambitious small company that is positioning itself to be a top ten player in their industry, the larger Fortune 500 companies that are being steered by the leaders of the future with vision about where the Internet will take their business through the 21st Century, and the entrepreneurs like you and me who had the vision and foresight to place our bets on dot tv even if the price was high compared to dot com or any of the less recognizeable extensions.

You don't have to believe that dot com has no future to be a believer in dot tv just like you don't have to believe that dot tv has no future because dot com was the first extension to the market. However, any educated and intelligent person cannot deny the impact that those two simple letters, T and V, when paired together, had in the world before dot com existed and will continue to have after the Internet consumes the conventional television. Now is the time to buckle down, tighten your belts, and grab what you can because if you can make it through this period of crunch time, then you will be well positioned at the end of the period.

I know some will not get this or find some reason to criticize the extension, its proponents, or those responsible for some aspect of it. That is why I called it a bet on the extension in the same way we bet on sports. The outcome remains unknown and virtually none of control it. If I asked you what extension (dot com or dot tv) would have the greatest likelihood of success when the Internet was first getting established, the overwhelming majority would have bet dot tv. So what happens when the availiability of dot com shrinks to the point of their being few undeveloped properties? While some will go out and buy dot com sites, others will begin to explore new extensions. In a world where there is oversupply of new extensions, which do you think they will pick? The one that represents something around the world that has letters that everybody already recognizes (dot tv) or some other random country code extension that only a few people recognize (insert some other random country code extension here)? If you can answer that honestly, then you have developed a vision of what the future could look like on the Internet.

Discuss.

 

[freedom30]

...I've got a prediction: I reckon in five years time you guys will be peddling the same speels, pumping up the old dot TV in the same way, and giving Snoop the same old stick.

One thing you guys haven't worked out yet is that Snoop is having sport with you. He writes things that he knows will antagonise you and sits backs and takes delight when you guys react. I must admit I myself enjoy seeing the reaction he gets.

Yes, I would concur that five years from now Don Quixote de la Mancha aka Snoop will still be on his crusade, as there is apparently nothing else he can do with his time but beg to be involved with the forum by playing in it as his own personal sandbox.

I have witnessed the lonesome crusader drift from thread to thread taking on the extension, alerting the masses there and fighting the good fight selflessly and without renumeration. So much to do, so little time, Quixote.

What Alonso Quixano(and apparently you as well) fail to realize is that this extension is a business decision and investment, not a game that you wish it to be.

Enjoy and take delight as you wish(typical of arrogant people) at interfering in other people's affairs, but rather than thinking that Snoop is having sport with us, he may just be having a hard dose of melancholy.

Anyway, have a great day, rodash, glad you got it off your chest, finally.

Carry on your gallant crusade. :wave:

 

[mathewka010]

Maybe you all might want to revise your thoughts on the namepros .tv forum, I no I do.

http://www.namepros.com/dot-tv/597864-is-it-death-dot-tv-forum.html

Allthings great honest post!

Lets all get back on track and start discussing our thoughts on .tv and not so much on individual post.

Thanks Mat

 

[freedom30]

Maybe you all might want to revise your thoughts on the namepros .tv forum, I no I do.

http://www.namepros.com/dot-tv/597864-is-it-death-dot-tv-forum.html


...Lets all get back on track and start discussing our thoughts on .tv and not so much on individual post.

Thanks Mat

A capital idea! :blink:

 

[benzdorf]

Ill talk .tv shop with pretty much anyone, anytime..key word..pretty much theres a few folks i tend to avoide..

My stuff over at ollo is doing just fine, not a lot a traffic persay but my team and I have not even begun to venture down that route yet..

still worken on a major game plan, but im very happy with my regz and am planning on picken up a few more here soon, if the people would ever get back to me..!!!

yeap all in all for me its been a pretty satisfying couple yearZ..

the extension fits dynimite into what i do for a living and the people i run with totally get these dayz and even my audi mechanic picked up a dotTV for his shop..

mny laywer picked up 3 dot TVs

i reluctintly sold 3 over the past few years..

Im currently unloading one thats in my porflollio look4.tv if u cats no anyone..

when i first got into this dottv thing i went a LiL over board and my then wife devoused me ..she said i was obbesessed..

my new wife has..lets see..about 6 dotTV's

ThingZ are looken good..

peace:hearts:

 

[*AllThings.tv*]

PS. Wake me up if dot TV ever decides to go anywhere.

Maybe it will go somewhere and maybe it won't somewhere. If it does, it will be for the single keyword domain names that successful domainers continue to preach as being some of the best domain names. If it does, it is already on the way and that ship is sailing. If it doesn't, then you and Snoop were right.


Why you and Snoop continue to miss these points that I make in my posts is beyond me and the spin that you and Snoop (and even myself) put on the extension will never dissuade members from exploring the opportunity to acquire strong single keyword names in the dot tv extension, most of which are not available in other extensions.

 

[snoop]

Maybe it will go somewhere and maybe it won't somewhere. If it does, it will be for the single keyword domain names that successful domainers continue to preach as being some of the best domain names. If it does, it is already on the way and that ship is sailing. If it doesn't, then you and Snoop were right.

People have been saying it will go somewhere for over a decade, we are still hearing the same stuff, execpt the people saying it are different to 10 years ago, in another 10 years it will be another group of people saying the same thing....wait a bit longer....the jury is out.

There will always be some people saying things may change so the point where poeple admit the naysayers were right will never come, it wouldn't matter if sex.tv was auctioned and sold for 50 cents, some would still carry on with the denial no matter how obviously badly the market had done.

you and Snoop continue to miss these points that I make in my posts is beyond me

I can see points you are making, I just disagree completely with them.

People saying an extension is lousy should not be surprising given the extension's performance. If it had actually done well you would have a point, but little reason to wonder why people disagree with you on an extension when even the more popular terms are near unsellable.

When names that are valuable in other extensions are sitting available in .tv that is a sign of poor perfomance, yet in .tv land, somehow that is twisted into a good thing. "So much potential because most names are worth nothing, even the one worders!"

 

[benzdorf]

key wordZ vs. Outta this world wordZ

As the self proclaimed sandle wearen sun glass sporten ego driven creative artist type slash developer that I am, I stay away from key wordZ with a 73.4 foot poll.. Dont get me wrong; I do see a use for them...simple one page channels with (A) product demonstration video and ability to purchase that product or service. great Idea and Im all for it .. Its just not me..

However as the self proclaimed creative artist type slash developer that I claim to be' I tend too gravitate towardZ names that sound good and roll of the tongue, taking into consideration as-too what work's well with the two syllable extention that .tv is! Also, for branding reasons I belive #'s work well combined with certin cool sounding wordZ and geographicle locationZ and nick nameZ; not necessarily keywords..

Im convinced that in other countries where they use two or more syllable's in there home counrty extentions .... .tv is much easier to brand.

So i don't look at a name from the stand point of ( Science ) rankings & how many this and how many that.. but rather its brand-ability...

 

[*AllThings.tv*]

People have been saying it will go somewhere for over a decade, we are still hearing the same stuff, execpt the people saying it are different to 10 years ago, in another 10 years it will be another group of people saying the same thing....wait a bit longer....the jury is out.

There will always be some people saying things may change so the point where poeple admit the naysayers were right will never come, it wouldn't matter if sex.tv was auctioned and sold for 50 cents, some would still carry on with the denial no matter how obviously badly the market had done.



I can see points you are making, I just disagree completely with them.

People saying an extension is lousy should not be surprising given the extension's performance. If it had actually done well you would have a point, but little reason to wonder why people disagree with you on an extension when even the more popular terms are near unsellable.

The extension hasn't been lousy for everyone. There are several people who are or who have been members of this site who have profited handsomely. There are also those transaction that are covered by NDAs. Don't get me wrong, this isn't your average extension. You can't register crap and expect to make a profit.

In the end, it doesn't matter what you or I think. We both know that nobody is right 100% of the time. In fact, if you or I could be right just 50% of the time when betting on domain names, neither of us would be posting on this forum, but I am confident that you will find some problem with this statement too.

When names that are valuable in other extensions are sitting available in .tv that is a sign of poor perfomance, yet in .tv land, somehow that is twisted into a good thing. "So much potential because most names are worth nothing, even the one worders!"

I need to really understand the logic you used to come up with this one. When you look at what you are saying, it is really this:

Fact: Single keyword Dot tv names are available.
Fact: Those same keywords in extensions other than dot tv are valuable.
Therefore: It is a sign of dot tv's poor performance.

How do you expect to pursuade us that dot tv doesn't represent an opportunity for risk takers when your argument is somewhat of a fallacy?

In the end, the question becomes how much you think that you or someone else can exploit any given domain name to make money. The only difference between you and I, apart from our experiences, is that we think differently about opportunity in general and this opportunity specifically.

I may believe that people or companies will appreciate the value that certain names in the dot tv extension offers as globalization and the Internet continue to spread around the world, but you don't have to. The fact is if there were more people like me then I probably would had never had the opportunity to register one single-keyword dot tv domain name, just like neither of us had the opportunity to register one single-keyword dot com domain name that may be worth hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars today.

In my opinion, you also make the assumption that you know for a fact that the future development of the Internet does not involve the dot tv extension in any way shape or form when the facts suggest that major companies are still figuring out the Internet, they are still figuring out how to leverage more than one Internet property, and they are still figuring out ways to leverage the extension to feature their brands, like those I mentioned in my first post.

Now, I totally understand the legitimate arguments against the dot tv extension, some of which you have mentioned or alluded to, but you can't expect myself or others to just roll over when you make fallacious arguments to advance your agenda.

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You know, Allthings, you would make a great school master. You are so skilled at giving people who digress from your views a caning.

Its not about adopting my views. Its about how you view opportunity, this opportunity in particular, and your general risk tolerance.

 

[MicroGuy]

In fact, if you or I could be right just 50% of the time when betting on domain names, neither of us would be posting on this forum...

Not too sure that I agree with you on this point. There are plenty of successful members here who enjoy participating in the Namepros community. They don't all leave once they find success. IMO.

 

[snoop]

As the self proclaimed sandle wearen sun glass sporten ego driven creative artist type slash developer that I am, I stay away from key wordZ with a 73.4 foot poll.. Dont get me wrong; I do see a use for them...simple one page channels with (A) product demonstration video and ability to purchase that product or service. great Idea and Im all for it .. Its just not me..

However as the self proclaimed creative artist type slash developer that I claim to be' I tend too gravitate towardZ names that sound good and roll of the tongue, taking into consideration as-too what work's well with the two syllable extention that .tv is! Also, for branding reasons I belive #'s work well combined with certin cool sounding wordZ and geographicle locationZ and nick nameZ; not necessarily keywords..

Im convinced that in other countries where they use two or more syllable's in there home counrty extentions .... .tv is much easier to brand.

So i don't look at a name from the stand point of ( Science ) rankings & how many this and how many that.. but rather its brand-ability...

Fair enough, and alot of people do look at it that way, probably 50% of more of developed sites. Having said that domaining in that area is very difficult because there is so many choices available at reg fee and the benefits in going for a name already registered is often slight.

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Fact: Single keyword Dot tv names are available.
Fact: Those same keywords in extensions other than dot tv are valuable.
Therefore: It is a sign of dot tv's poor performance.

How do you expect to pursuade us that dot tv doesn't represent an opportunity for risk takers when your argument is somewhat of a fallacy?

The fact is it has been a poor performer. You are arguing poor performance creates an opportunity, I don't agree, it will probably continue to do badly, it certainly has a history of that. It is like a horse that has lost 10 races in a row, it will probably lose the next 10 as well.

.tv has been a poor perfromer not for some random meaningless reason, it has done badly because the market is small and the holding costs make no sense for the vast majority of names.

The fact is if there were more people like me then I probably would had never had the opportunity to register one single-keyword dot tv domain name, just like neither of us had the opportunity to register one single-keyword dot com domain name that may be worth hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars today.

Is that where it all comes from, missing the the highly valuable .com's when they were worth nothing so the hope is the same will happen to .tv? Sound decisions are never based on hindsight or second coming hopes. "I missed out on X which is really great so let's go with Y which is crap". It might be better to look for another way to get X or look at something else entirely.

I knew nothing about domains in 1994, I hadn't even heard of the Internet. Do I care about "missing out"? The answer is not really, just like I don't care about missing out on Microsoft stock in 1985. I bet if someone told me all about Microsoft stock back and how they thought it would rise alot then I still wouldn't have invested, ditto for domains. Frankly speculating on domains back then was as hard as it is today from what I can see of it.

Look to the future rather than hoping for a repeat of the past. If you are kicking yourself about not buying valuable .com domains, look for another way or a different opportunity, not a second rate substitute.

 

[gr8trfoo]

People saying an extension is lousy should not be surprising given the extension's performance. If it had actually done well you would have a point, but little reason to wonder why people disagree with you on an extension when even the more popular terms are near unsellable.

I have to confess that I appreciate you more than I can possibly say. You've saved me money on every .tv I've picked up this year.

Keep up the good work! :hearts:

 

[snoop]

I have to confess that I appreciate you more than I can possibly say. You've saved me money on every .tv I've picked up this year.

Keep up the good work! :hearts:

Now if you'd only listened a few years earlier you could have saved 500k.