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As a long time member of this site, it brings me great pleasure to thank all those who have been on a crusade to discourage interest in the dot tv extension for personal and political reasons.

Their work actually helps to generate interest and exposure in the extension. Every time they post in one of the dot tv threads, they bump that thread up in the 'new posts' search results, inviting a few more people into the dot tv sub forum.

Every time they type dot tv, they add one more thing for Google and other search engines to index. Every time they post an inaccurate statement, they give every member of this community an opportunity to correct them and educate and inform those who might be interested in the extension.

So while they think they are dissuading people from considering the extension, they are actually supporting it. Who knew that they'd become an integral part of the dot tv ecosystem because of the indirect benefits they provide.

These people are my dot tv heros of the year! You guys :kickass:
 
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when the gtld's come i feel .tv is in a good position , with the correct words it seems viable to me
 
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By the end of the post I was expecting to start reading "If you strike .tv down, it shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine." and other cornball lines circa 1977.

Understand that at the end of the day not everyone here agrees with you. Accept that rather than spouting nonsense like people bagging .tv for "personal and political reasons" most people just genuinely dislike it.
 
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By the end of the post I was expecting to start reading "If you strike .tv down, it shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine." and other cornball lines circa 1977.

Understand that at the end of the day not everyone here agrees with you. Accept that rather than spouting nonsense like people bagging .tv for "personal and political reasons" most people just genuinely dislike it.


Its ashame that you lost so much money on dot tv. I know others are not aware of it, but I felt bad when I learned of it. Nobody can be right all the time and entrepreneurs must take the good with the bad. This is a numbers game. You can't take it so personally.

I don't hate the extension and I used to have Fast.tv in my portfolio, which I later let go for a loss. This was back in the days before enom took over the extension when the dot tv corporation was running it. Face value of the domain was 10k/year, something ridiculous like that. I would never have paid that. The dot tv corporation ran a 70% off campaign for awhile and I had registered some other premium dot tv names. Fast.tv was attractive to me for a number or reasons beyond speculation but the discount sale at the time was enough to get me interested. As time went by, some us got smart and negotiated for even deeper discounts by offering to register domains for longer periods.

I initially picked Fast.tv up for a few years at a cut rate discount, but eventually decided it was best to drop it because enom was now in charge of the extension and it wasn't worth it to me to hold on at the renewal price so I cut my lossess. I burned a couple of thousand dollars. Could I have used the money elsewhere? Absolutely, but that experience doesn't make me hate the extension nor do I blame the extension, enom, or anyone else for the decision. It was a calculated risk that didn't pan out for me and a good lesson because I have 50+ other names that are better with lower renewals.

I think its clear that neither you nor anyone must agree with me or any other member of this forum. I visit this sub forum because I know this is where I can find others interested in the dot tv extension. We can share news, ideas, and information so we have something to benefit by being here and socializing.

However, you dislike the extension to put it mildly so everyone is questioning your motivation for being here since you don't have anything to gain through your negative participation here. You pride yourself on crusading against the extension so much that I wonder how much valuable time you waste here....unless of course you feel like there is some benefit in making negative posts all the time. After all, why would you invest valuable time trying to counter any positive interest in the extension?

That got me thinking...

I agree with you that the extension MAY NEVER be anything. As an entrepreneur, I must have that in the back of my mind when determining my tolerance for the risk that the extension represents. If I didn't then I'd risk losing everything on a single bet.

But I disagree with your transparent effort to undermine the discussions that take place in the dot tv forum.

Why do you do it? Where is the benefit to you or what need do you fulfill by engaging in such negative activity?

Are you protecting some dot com holdings that wouldn't be worth as much if dot tv does begin to post greater growth than it has since its inception? Seeing that you enjoy spending time subverting the dot tv extension, I simply assume you are not making a lot of dot com money right now.

So do you do it because you lost money in the dot tv extension, you now blame the extension for your loss or those who like it and encourage others to explore the opportunity, and therefore must seek revenge against the extension and those who like it?

Is it because the amount of money you lost was so great in the extension that you feel like the extension burned you, and therefore, you have to try and burn the extension in return? Can your motivation only be about revenge?

Or did you come into the extension with rose colored glasses and a lot of money, you read all the hype in the forum, and started spending money on the extension not realizing that it is a bet and like all bets you could lose your money? Did it make you so upset that nobody was there telling you how much of a bet this extension actually is and you decided you would be that person going forward for anyone just coming into the world of domaining?

I mean who spends a significant amount of time just trying to be negative about something they have no interest in unless they are fulfilling some strange need like this or you benefit indirectly (like in the case of having a lot of holdings in other extensions that stand to lose if dot tv does well, which I don't see as being a real threat)?

I think if you were honest with the members, then many of the members would respect you more, they might show more appreciation for your reason for being here and any value that you add. Your arguments that the extension is unproven are arguments that I totally agree with, but you can't disagree that dot tv may represent a a legitimate business opportunity.

Now, not all people looking for business opportunities should consider dot tv as one for them. Why? Because it does involve a degree of risk and requires a significant amount of upfront capital to get a return if a return is to be had. As I have said, you can't register crap and expect to make money. It doesn't work like that and I wouldn't encourage experimenting in the dot tv space.

Just like other members on this forum mentioned in the past, any potential investor in the extension really needs to spend the time to justify that the dot tv risk is something they can tolerate. The reason we call the person who is looking to register a dot tv name a potential investor. Theoretically, this triggers a thought in their mind that this extension must be looked at from a business perspective with all the normal risk assessments that go into any business venture. Based on my experience, those who have profited from the extension approached it like it was a business investment.

The last thing anybody should do is get real excited and spend all their disposable income registering dot tv names. But I don't think any of us who are interested in the extension would like to see a lot of new people doing that because they would be setting themselves up to be devastated.

Anyone considering dot tv should do their due diligence. They should spend a lot of time and look at a lot of factors and make some informed judgments. If you have never developed a website or you haven't been around domains or websites for at least a year, then it is likely you have a lot more to learn than others. You might underestimate the risk or the potential opportunity that any given domain name represents. You might be in danger of losing a lot more money than you originally estimaged if you expect any profits from your portfolio.

Heck, all of us might be in that category. We might be underestimaging risk or overestimating the return on investment, but the plain and simple fact is that these are all elements of the game that we play when we buy/sell dot tv domain names.

Myself and others would argue not to invest if your budget or risk tolerance for speculating like this can't go the distance. If you don't have the stomach or the balls to double down in the face of a recession, then maybe this gamble isn't for you.

Most of us in this sub forum are reasonable. Yes, we may get excited about certain advancements in technology or growth in different industries because what it may mean for the dot tv extension, but few if any are stating unequivocally that dot tv will be king and dot com will fall, which is this wild notion you have and the one that you attempt to counter in most of your posts in the subforum. At the end of the day, we are reasonable.

Interestingly, your arguments lose any bite they have after someone has read just a few of your posts in the subforum. Why? Because you refuse to acknowledge that others have had success in the dot tv extension. You absolutely refuse to speak of the extension in business terms, which means acknowledging there is an opportunity that others have handsomely profited from. You refuse to give just a little however reasonable and sound the argument is because you perceive it as a slippery slope. In your mind, this would somehow undermine your entire effort here if you did acknowledge these points. It doesn't make sense to me or anyone else.

Do you refuse to acknowledge that others have been successful in the extension because somehow, in your mind, that would mean you were less successful because you had one bad play in the extension?

One bad play doesn't make you a failure. If you speak to anyone who is or has been successful, ask them about the failures they encountered on the way. Very few people are lucky enough to enjoy success that results from pure luck the first time they make an attempt at it. Every entrepreneur knows that and I suspect that you know that as well, but you might want to consider your true motivation for being on this crusade against dot tv.

I know I am not the only one who questions your motivation.
 
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Well put, AllThings.TV.
 
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.tv is one of the first extensions I invested in and I turned a nice profit on most of if not all of my keyword, key phrase .tvs.

I currently don't own any due to the premium pricing. That said, if you got in on the special discount pricing and have locked in said discount, you are in an ideal position.

.tv will be a viable entertainment extension for years to come IMO.
 
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Yeah. This should be bound into a paperback. IMO.

It already has...but Miguel de Cervantes beat him to it. I think it was the whole point of the story. :bingo:
 
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Its ashame that you lost so much money on dot tv. I know others are not aware of it, but I felt bad when I learned of it. Nobody can be right all the time and entrepreneurs must take the good with the bad. This is a numbers game. You can't take it so personally.

Not sure what you are on about here.

However, you dislike the extension to put it mildly so everyone is questioning your motivation for being here since you don't have anything to gain through your negative participation here.

Rather than "everyone" the people who question my motivations for posting in this forum are the hardcore cheerleaders, who can't stand any criticism and cannot fathom why anyone would post other than to try and "pump things up" for their own benefit.

After all, why would you invest valuable time trying to counter any positive interest in the extension?

In the hope that some will listen and not waste their money with this extension.

Are you protecting some dot com holdings that wouldn't be worth as much if dot tv does begin to post greater growth than it has since its inception? .

If .tv was popular and had normal reg fees it would make .com worth less, and frankly I'd probably be investing in .tv's.

Likewise if .com were priced with silly renewal fees and wasn't overly popular, well I probably own whatever was popular with low holdings costs and I'd probably be slamming .com. Of course that isn't the reality of the situation.

Having said that until recently I'm been mildly negative on the entire domain space. People ask the same thing about many .com areas, they ask me why I told people to dump their LLL.com's when they are $8000 ea and their LLLL.com's when they were $60. Frankly I thought they were overpriced. Sometimes there really isn't a conspiracy theory....as hard as it is to believe some people just say what they think even if there is no benefit to them in saying it.

Seeing that you enjoy spending time subverting the dot tv extension, I simply assume you are not making a lot of dot com money right now. So do you do it because you lost money in the dot tv extension, you now blame the extension for your loss or those who like it and encourage others to explore the opportunity, and therefore must seek revenge against the extension and those who like it?

Perhaps making assumptions is a bad idea, you seem to in the habit lately of thinking up something fanciful then arguing with yourself about it.
 
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Myself and others would argue not to invest if your budget or risk tolerance for speculating like this can't go the distance. If you don't have the stomach or the balls to double down in the face of a recession, then maybe this gamble isn't for you.

Now seriously. I used to deal with people that had severe gambling addictions, and regardless of how much money they lost, they always felt that the next big bet would be the one to make up for all the others.

Sometimes it's less about balls and more about brains. IMO.
 
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Now seriously. I used to deal with people that had severe gambling addictions, and regardless of how much money they lost, they always felt that the next big bet would be the one to make up for all the others.

gamble, speculation.
crazy, eccentric
there's a definition for every level...

Sometimes it's less about balls and more about brains. IMO.

Or less about bulls and more about bears.
 
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Now seriously. I used to deal with people that had severe gambling addictions, and regardless of how much money they lost, they always felt that the next big bet would be the one to make up for all the others.

Sometimes it's less about balls and more about brains. IMO.

Personally I think alot of us (domainers) have this gambling mentality to certain degrees. You can see it most obviously in the way people often price names (hoping for a lottery win rather than a more likely sale). Agree with you though, for those who are losing money at some point they need to stop and realize that the odds are not in their favour.
 
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Personally I think alot of us (domainers) have this gambling mentality to certain degrees. You can see it most obviously in the way people often price names (hoping for a lottery win rather than a more likely sale). Agree with you though, for those who are losing money at some point they need to stop and realize that the odds are not in their favour.

Yes. I absolutely love to gamble.

I ran a billiards room with 14 tables for a few years and used to study the gamblers and the hustlers. There are basically two types. The ones that come to the table to give their money away, and the ones that are there to take it. After a few years, you get to the point where you can spot who is there to donate and who is there to collect. The ones that are hungry are always the best bet. IMO.
 
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I'm fairly ambivalent either way .. If it has made me a few $$ in the past and has potential to do so in the future .. bring it on. Otherwise ..
Personally, I'd feel cheated if I paid more than reg fee for any .tv I hold in my slim portfolio (And that's from a purely non-developer point of view)
 
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In this thread, it's fairly easy to distinguish between who is here to donate and who is here to collect. At least from my point of view. Best of luck to all participants.
 
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In this thread, it's fairly easy to distinguish between who is here to donate and who is here to collect. At least from my point of view. Best of luck to all participants.

It's amazing how you say AllThings.tv post should be bound in to a pocketbook, yet Don Quixote sees "cheerleaders" where no one is cheering but treating our interests as business investments yet he is given a free ride to his one-way agenda.

Ah, the crusade is definitely one for the ages.

After all, as he says he is in it "In the hope that some will listen and not waste their money with this extension."

May Quixote live a long and prosperous life and NEVER end his crusade. And may you always carry his banner! :hehe:
 
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It's amazing how you say AllThings.tv post should be bound in to a pocketbook, yet Don Quixote sees "cheerleaders" where no one is cheering but treating our interests as business investments yet he is given a free ride to his one-way agenda.

To be honest I haven't seen many "two way agendas" in the .tv forum in a while. Most people are pretty biased one way or another. Some admit it whilst others see themselves as that "rational middle ground".
 
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After all, why would you invest valuable time trying to counter any positive interest in the extension

In the hope that some will listen and not waste their money with this extension.

Nobody who is profit driven, like you, does that unless motivated by some benefit (like protecting dot com investments) or motivated because it fulfills some need (i.e. revenge on the dot tv extension or revenge on those who share their enthusiasm for it). See my previous post for more possibilities.
 
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After all, as he says he is in it "In the hope that some will listen and not waste their money with this extension."

There is no reason to mindlessly donate money to Demand Media. They already have enough. With that being said, I registered two more .TVs today. IMO.
 
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As a long time member of this site, it brings me great pleasure to thank all those who have been on a crusade to discourage interest in the dot tv extension for personal and political reasons.

Their work actually helps to generate interest and exposure in the extension. Every time they post in one of the dot tv threads, they bump that thread up in the 'new posts' search results, inviting a few more people into the dot tv sub forum.

.TV sucks. In fact, .tv sucks so bad, I was forced to reg Cryptography.tv a couple minutes ago. Glad I could help, AllThings... ;)
 
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