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At the moment, we are entering crunch time. The Internet is still expanding at a rapid pace and the different technologies coming to market continue to disrupt and destroy long established business models, like the one in the music business. The force to establish a memorable presence on the Internet is now greater than ever before. The availability of undeveloped dot com domain names is becoming more scarce by the second.

What extension do you think top ten companies in every industry will select for special online promotions, microsites, or video portals? Do you think they will add it on to their dot com sites, will they experiment with other extensions that do not signal that some social media experience awaits, or will they select dot tv name because its a logical fit?

I can't tell you the answer nor can any member of this forum, but what I can tell you is that many of us in the dot tv forum are betting that the trend will continue to be in the direction of dot tv.

Did the NBA, MLB, or the NHL get it wrong using dot tv to extend their brands: Welcome - NBA 2010 Live!, Postseason Subscription | MLB.com: Subscriptions, Launch NHL Video Portal Unfortunately, premium dot tv domain names were not priced so small-time domainers and developers could hoard them. Even some of the prices associated with premium dot tv names discourage development by bigger firms because they represent risk, unless those companies have an existing client or presence in the industry they would like to target.

Right now, its crunch time. Its been a few years now that dot tv has been marketed first by the dot tv corporation and now by eNom, which is a Demand Media company. In spite of whatever criticisms you have or might have had, the opportunity to get a generic keyword for this extension is closing and closing quickly. The fact that dropped premium dot tv names continue to get marked up suggests that eNom continues to receive some buyers at those prices and doesn't discourage the big fish from acquiring and developing them whenever they are ready to pursue an oppotunity.

As I write this, I think of all those who I have met on the forums or in person as the result of a relationship born on the forums. We continue to talk via instant messenger, by email or by phone. Those of you who visit this forum know who you are our outlook on dot tv remains unchanged. Many of us still feel two things. First, that we were lucky to have this opportunity. And second, that we were late to the game. Those two feelings will always be present because all of us share the same foundation. We were all late to the Internet game in general and we are all lucky to be presented with the opportunities that sit under our finger tips. At no other time in history has so much opportunity been in reach for any person of virtually any demographic.

Myself and others have dropped some premium dot tv names as we consolidated our individual portfolios to weather this recession. One of mine that comes to mind is fast.tv, which was a $10k premium that I got for a super steep discount back in the days of the dot tv corporation. I know that many of you have dropped your own premium dot tv names because they are not inexpensive to keep on the sidelines waiting for a unique buyer, whether another domainer or end user comes along with the same vision willing to pay a price that you think the name deserves.

So as this dot tv roller coaster continues, companies scramble to secure premium online real estate that will represent their brands currently and in the future. The single generic keyword dot tv domain names will be targeted first because they represent incredible opportunities for the brands that know how to leverage them and maximize their potential.

Who will own these premium dot tv names? The ambitious small company that is positioning itself to be a top ten player in their industry, the larger Fortune 500 companies that are being steered by the leaders of the future with vision about where the Internet will take their business through the 21st Century, and the entrepreneurs like you and me who had the vision and foresight to place our bets on dot tv even if the price was high compared to dot com or any of the less recognizeable extensions.

You don't have to believe that dot com has no future to be a believer in dot tv just like you don't have to believe that dot tv has no future because dot com was the first extension to the market. However, any educated and intelligent person cannot deny the impact that those two simple letters, T and V, when paired together, had in the world before dot com existed and will continue to have after the Internet consumes the conventional television. Now is the time to buckle down, tighten your belts, and grab what you can because if you can make it through this period of crunch time, then you will be well positioned at the end of the period.

I know some will not get this or find some reason to criticize the extension, its proponents, or those responsible for some aspect of it. That is why I called it a bet on the extension in the same way we bet on sports. The outcome remains unknown and virtually none of control it. If I asked you what extension (dot com or dot tv) would have the greatest likelihood of success when the Internet was first getting established, the overwhelming majority would have bet dot tv. So what happens when the availiability of dot com shrinks to the point of their being few undeveloped properties? While some will go out and buy dot com sites, others will begin to explore new extensions. In a world where there is oversupply of new extensions, which do you think they will pick? The one that represents something around the world that has letters that everybody already recognizes (dot tv) or some other random country code extension that only a few people recognize (insert some other random country code extension here)? If you can answer that honestly, then you have developed a vision of what the future could look like on the Internet.

Discuss.
 
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AfternicAfternic
Thanks for these words of encouragement.

You have been a shinning example of someone willing to take the hard punches yet still remain strong, able to keep your eye on the ultimate prize. Even when faced with huge financial losses, you have the strengh and fortitude to keep hammering away with this tried and true inspirational message. Kudos.

YouTube - AllThings.tv interview w/Richard Rosenblatt of Demand Media

Sometimes I like to play the above video to remind me of just how far we've come in such a short period. Sure, there have been a few bumps in the road, but the Kool-Aid still tastes sweet.
 
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good post

you say all the word what are in my head but unable to put down for others to read.
theres lots guys on this tv forum i would love to meet one day your one of um.
 
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Kevin

Really nice words. Very thoughtful and well-intentioned.
Thanks for taking the effort.

If .TV has changed, it is in the fact that more end-users have adopted it as part of their marketing mix.
 
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I can't tell you the answer nor can any member of this forum, but what I can tell you is that many of us in the dot tv forum are betting that the trend will continue to be in the direction of dot tv.

The market is saying otherwise, very few companies have chosen .tv for these purpose and those domainers who have been betting on it have in the main bet very wrong.

Right now, its crunch time. Its been a few years now that dot tv has been marketed first by the dot tv corporation and now by eNom, which is a Demand Media company. In spite of whatever criticisms you have or might have had, the opportunity to get a generic keyword for this extension is closing and closing quickly.

With the quality of dropped names going up and prices have fallen heavily I'm not sure how the door is "closing fast".


The fact that dropped premium dot tv names continue to get marked up suggests that eNom continues to receive some buyers at those prices and doesn't discourage the big fish from acquiring and developing them whenever they are ready to pursue an oppotunity.

That doesn't help domainers. The high reg fees is what has always stifled the extension.

Myself and others have dropped some premium dot tv names as we consolidated our individual portfolios to weather this recession.

One of mine that comes to mind is fast.tv, which was a $10k premium that I got for a super steep discount back in the days of the dot tv corporation. I know that many of you have dropped your own premium dot tv names because they are not inexpensive to keep on the sidelines waiting for a unique buyer, whether another domainer or end user comes along with the same vision willing to pay a price that you think the name deserves.

Generally people don't start dropping names they have confidence in.

If I asked you what extension (dot com or dot tv) would have the greatest likelihood of success when the Internet was first getting established, the overwhelming majority would have bet dot tv.

Why do you think that?

Maybe the overwhelming majority of people *in this subforum* would answer that, if asked the question today (for obvious reasons).

So what happens when the availiability of dot com shrinks to the point of their being few undeveloped properties?

You can see it already, when the one word names are gone people get two word names. When they are gone, three word....I think we know the rest of the story. The other big market of course is country codes. The world has no shortage of domain names, it has a shortage of valuable names though.

In a world where there is oversupply of new extensions, which do you think they will pick? The one that represents something around the world that has letters that everybody already recognizes (dot tv) or some other random country code extension that only a few people recognize (insert some other random country code extension here)? If you can answer that honestly, then you have developed a vision of what the future could look like on the Internet.

Let me guess the "honest" answer is .tv?
 
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snoop i do like to read your post but maybe it now time to back off a bit...
were going round and round and getting no place fast.
these guys are into tv thats why there here,why are you.
i know you are a very intelligent guy and you have your views on tv but we know what it is by now.
so why go over old ground i dont get it.
how you have the time beats me!
 
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snoop i do like to read your post but maybe it now time to back off a bit...
were going round and round and getting no place fast.
these guys are into tv thats why there here,why are you.
i know you are a very intelligent guy and you have your views on tv but we know what it is by now.
so why go over old ground i dont get it.
how you have the time beats me!

I guess if you saw it like that it is old ground on both sides of the fence. On one hand we have me saying the extension is lousy on the other hand people like allthings claiming things are rosey, high quality .tv's are getting scarcer and .tv may be about to do well. That is how the .tv market has been for 10 years, always about to do well according to some. For as long as people continue to try and "sell" this extension to others I'll be around to point out the other side of the story.
 
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but i like swinging so i join a swingers forum to chat with other swingers who are into the same thing as me.
same here
i dont go into the heavy hairy bears sub forum
lol
 
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but i like football and i support hullcity i join the forum to chat with other city fans
i dont join liverpool forum to bang on about how rubbish liverpool are.

You don't but I'm sure some do. Some people don't bother to comment on bad politicians, poor quality cars or underperfoming stocks either.
 
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On one hand we have me saying the extension is lousy on the other hand people like allthings claiming things are rosey

You don't claim things are "rosey" with a thread that begins 'Crunch Time'

Did you actually read what AllThings wrote?


For as long as people continue to try and "sell" this extension to others I'll be around to point out the other side of the story.

Why?

It just doesn't make sense. It's like going into shop and pointing out to the owner that he's bought rubbish goods and doesn't know his business. Why would you do that? Surely people understand themselves whether something is a good or bad for them - all on their own.

They don't need some perverse harbinger of death doing a vulture role all the time. They know what they are making (or losing) without your 'help'.

I doubt many can understand why you are so hellbent on your one man crusade against TV and then I read the wiki piece Troll (Internet) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)


The market is saying otherwise, very few companies have chosen .tv for these purpose.

May I once again draw your attention to the other threads in the TV area which show the very large number of companies that now use .TV
- Of course, companies like Five, BMW, Nestle and Mercedes-Benz may not be on your radar.
 
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Snoop,

You have made some valid points on many posts and have trashed the extension for no other reason than to bully and demean people for their investments on others.

I understand that you do not like the extension, I also am led to believe that as this extension continues to climb it threatens your investments personally, so I guess there is a method to your madness.

All I have to say to you is keep up with your crusade(a la Man of La Mancha) while we continue to talk amongst fellow investors about news, developments, ideas and the pros and cons of the extension and the course it is taking. We enjoy our business venture, something that you either refuse to comprehend or do and are unhappy about our investments.

There is a country song I have heard many decades ago with the line that seems more than appropriate right now:

"If you mind your own business, then you sure won't be minding mine."

But the good thing is the more you berate the extension by bullying the investors and your arrogance, the more people get turned off by your rants, which is what, fortunately or unfortunately, they have become.

Anyway, thanks for your opinions and enjoy the day. :gn:
 
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Nice signature. The OP still has time to get his order in for a IGBFN t-shirt. :D

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At the moment, we are entering crunch time. The Internet is still expanding at a rapid pace and the different technologies coming to market continue to disrupt and destroy long established business models, like the one in the music business. The force to establish a memorable presence on the Internet is now greater than ever before. The availability of undeveloped dot com domain names is becoming more scarce by the second.

What extension do you think top ten companies in every industry will select for special online promotions, microsites, or video portals? Do you think they will add it on to their dot com sites, will they experiment with other extensions that do not signal that some social media experience awaits, or will they select dot tv name because its a logical fit?

I can't tell you the answer nor can any member of this forum, but what I can tell you is that many of us in the dot tv forum are betting that the trend will continue to be in the direction of dot tv.

Did the NBA, MLB, or the NHL get it wrong using dot tv to extend their brands: Welcome - NBA 2010 Live!, Postseason Subscription | MLB.com: Subscriptions, Launch NHL Video Portal Unfortunately, premium dot tv domain names were not priced so small-time domainers and developers could hoard them. Even some of the prices associated with premium dot tv names discourage development by bigger firms because they represent risk, unless those companies have an existing client or presence in the industry they would like to target.

Right now, its crunch time. Its been a few years now that dot tv has been marketed first by the dot tv corporation and now by eNom, which is a Demand Media company. In spite of whatever criticisms you have or might have had, the opportunity to get a generic keyword for this extension is closing and closing quickly. The fact that dropped premium dot tv names continue to get marked up suggests that eNom continues to receive some buyers at those prices and doesn't discourage the big fish from acquiring and developing them whenever they are ready to pursue an oppotunity.

As I write this, I think of all those who I have met on the forums or in person as the result of a relationship born on the forums. We continue to talk via instant messenger, by email or by phone. Those of you who visit this forum know who you are our outlook on dot tv remains unchanged. Many of us still feel two things. First, that we were lucky to have this opportunity. And second, that we were late to the game. Those two feelings will always be present because all of us share the same foundation. We were all late to the Internet game in general and we are all lucky to be presented with the opportunities that sit under our finger tips. At no other time in history has so much opportunity been in reach for any person of virtually any demographic.

Myself and others have dropped some premium dot tv names as we consolidated our individual portfolios to weather this recession. One of mine that comes to mind is fast.tv, which was a $10k premium that I got for a super steep discount back in the days of the dot tv corporation. I know that many of you have dropped your own premium dot tv names because they are not inexpensive to keep on the sidelines waiting for a unique buyer, whether another domainer or end user comes along with the same vision willing to pay a price that you think the name deserves.

So as this dot tv roller coaster continues, companies scramble to secure premium online real estate that will represent their brands currently and in the future. The single generic keyword dot tv domain names will be targeted first because they represent incredible opportunities for the brands that know how to leverage them and maximize their potential.

Who will own these premium dot tv names? The ambitious small company that is positioning itself to be a top ten player in their industry, the larger Fortune 500 companies that are being steered by the leaders of the future with vision about where the Internet will take their business through the 21st Century, and the entrepreneurs like you and me who had the vision and foresight to place our bets on dot tv even if the price was high compared to dot com or any of the less recognizeable extensions.

You don't have to believe that dot com has no future to be a believer in dot tv just like you don't have to believe that dot tv has no future because dot com was the first extension to the market. However, any educated and intelligent person cannot deny the impact that those two simple letters, T and V, when paired together, had in the world before dot com existed and will continue to have after the Internet consumes the conventional television. Now is the time to buckle down, tighten your belts, and grab what you can because if you can make it through this period of crunch time, then you will be well positioned at the end of the period.

I know some will not get this or find some reason to criticize the extension, its proponents, or those responsible for some aspect of it. That is why I called it a bet on the extension in the same way we bet on sports. The outcome remains unknown and virtually none of control it. If I asked you what extension (dot com or dot tv) would have the greatest likelihood of success when the Internet was first getting established, the overwhelming majority would have bet dot tv. So what happens when the availiability of dot com shrinks to the point of their being few undeveloped properties? While some will go out and buy dot com sites, others will begin to explore new extensions. In a world where there is oversupply of new extensions, which do you think they will pick? The one that represents something around the world that has letters that everybody already recognizes (dot tv) or some other random country code extension that only a few people recognize (insert some other random country code extension here)? If you can answer that honestly, then you have developed a vision of what the future could look like on the Internet.

Discuss.

Great points. Almost everything is risk/reward. I registered my first .tv on July 15th, 2000 and have never looked back.

Thanks, Jim
 
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Great points. Almost everything is risk/reward. I registered my first .tv on July 15th, 2000 and have never looked back.

Thanks, Jim

Ditto. This is after all is said and done a business venture. Thanks , jimbola!
 
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Hey Snoop,

Based on your signature, it is evident that the dot tv extension has yet to generate any real money for you or at the rate you believe it should:
Warning: This poster is heavily biased towards extensions that make money.
. You are clearly upset over your past losses.

On behalf of the world, I apologize that this has caused you such consternation. I guess I understand it because nobody likes to lose money but that leads me to one question. What causes you to lose your composure and completely miss the point of threads like mine? I was providing my friends and those interested in dot tv my personal outlook on the extension.

Dot tv is definitely not a domainer's extension and I realize this is a domainer's forum; has been and always will be. I can't understand why so many dot com lovers feel so threatened about dot tv's possible future success. This Internet world is big enough that all of us can make money on the Internet doing whatever it was we did before dot tv. Why can't we just get along?


I am undoubtedly biased toward dot tv because I have investments in it. I followed the advice of men who you would die to meet and you have followed advice from men who are considered dot com gods, whether you knew it or not.

Does that mean that I can't share my personal outlook on the extension with people who might want to hear about it without a troll like you coming in and mucking up my discussion?

If you have questions about points I made, then I am happy to answer those questions but now that other respected members on this forum have informed me that you are recklessly determined to undermine or dissuade those interested in the extension, I am not positive that we can have a fruitful discussion.

There are different domains in the dot tv extension, some are great plays while others just plain suck. I can't help it if you can't pick the right ones. The dot tv extension is alot like the high roller's table in Vegas. If the dot tv extension isn't something you can afford to take that kind of risk on, then don't. Nobody is telling you or anyone else that they have to pull up chair to this table or remain at this table to find their own personal path to success on the Internet.

Good luck in your endeavor's Snoop! I hope you can find happiness elsewhere if you couldn't find it in the dot tv forum.
 
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Edit: Disregard this. I will rewrite tomorrow when I am not so tired. :D
 
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Snoop, is copy and paste the only thing that works on your keyboard? Because every time I read a post of yours here it's the same old crap.

It's not possible to have a nice, upbeat conversation, to make a positive comment, to post one solitary good thing that we like about this extension without you pooping all over the conversation.

It gets old.

Seriously.

---------- Post added at 07:33 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:17 PM ----------

Now, Snoop, sorry to say, I just put you on ignore, I hate to do that, but there it is. If only I could ignore all the additional wasted posts from others that will be spent over the next year responding to your re-posts...
 
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Great post Allthings.tv

Others can believe what they want but from my own experience it is definately getting harder to pick up the good reg fee domains that are dropping. I am now finding myself struggling to catch .tv domains which in the past would have been almost a sure thing!

There appears to be a lot more interest in catching .tv's than there used to be which IMO indicates that there is some shrewd investing going on.
 
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Absolutely fresh news.:imho:
 
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Hey Snoop,

Based on your signature, it is evident that the dot tv extension has yet to generate any real money for you or at the rate you believe it should:
. You are clearly upset over your past losses.

On behalf of the world, I apologize that this has caused you such consternation. I guess I understand it because nobody likes to lose money but that leads me to one question. What causes you to lose your composure and completely miss the point of threads like mine? I was providing my friends and those interested in dot tv my personal outlook on the extension.

Dot tv is definitely not a domainer's extension and I realize this is a domainer's forum; has been and always will be. I can't understand why so many dot com lovers feel so threatened about dot tv's possible future success. This Internet world is big enough that all of us can make money on the Internet doing whatever it was we did before dot tv. Why can't we just get along?


I am undoubtedly biased toward dot tv because I have investments in it. I followed the advice of men who you would die to meet and you have followed advice from men who are considered dot com gods, whether you knew it or not.

Does that mean that I can't share my personal outlook on the extension with people who might want to hear about it without a troll like you coming in and mucking up my discussion?

If you have questions about points I made, then I am happy to answer those questions but now that other respected members on this forum have informed me that you are recklessly determined to undermine or dissuade those interested in the extension, I am not positive that we can have a fruitful discussion.

There are different domains in the dot tv extension, some are great plays while others just plain suck. I can't help it if you can't pick the right ones. The dot tv extension is alot like the high roller's table in Vegas. If the dot tv extension isn't something you can afford to take that kind of risk on, then don't. Nobody is telling you or anyone else that they have to pull up chair to this table or remain at this table to find their own personal path to success on the Internet.

Good luck in your endeavor's Snoop! I hope you can find happiness elsewhere if you couldn't find it in the dot tv forum.



You know, Allthings, you would make a great school master. You are so skilled at giving people who digress from your views a caning. I remember in the past when I used to write diatribes about the challenges this extension faced you would give me a bit of stick. How dare I say negative things about dot TV! How dare I put forward a view that didn't say things are rosy and are going to get rosier. In the end I mostly gave up making posts because I knew you would come out of the woodwork with your sermons and the wrath of God and put me down where I belonged.

Snoop, good on you, you are one of the few that don't look at this extension through rose-coloured glasses. I always thought this extension had great potential for successful mass commercial development, but I no longer hold that view. Yes, there are going to be successful .TV sites (eg justin.tv) but not a grand scale like the .com phenomena. The .TV sites that are the successful ones will be those that are very cleverly developed and which have substance.

I remember making the statement two years ago that I thought the biggest hurdle .TV had going for it was its "association" with television. Allthings gave me a great going over when I made that statement. I stand by that - even more so now. Television is old hat and on the way out, so why would we put our faith in an extension that is based on being closely aligned with the world of television? Younger generations now are not watching television; they refuse to watch it. Instead they have moved to game playing and surfing. TV is passive, younger generations want entertainment that is interactive. The last thing they want is anything that smacks of television. That's why you can buy an ad slot on TV at 2am in Australia for as little as $40 - that's because no-one is watching TV. Television networks in this country are under enormous pressure to make profits because of the declines in viewer numbers and advertising revenues.

I haven't been in this forum for some time now but little has changed. I'm seeing the same old voices pumping up the extension in the same ways they have been pumping it up for the past two years. And the moment anyone questions what they say, or says something to the contrary, they get told to stick their head in or to butt out.

I've got a prediction: I reckon in five years time you guys will be peddling the same speels, pumping up the old dot TV in the same way, and giving Snoop the same old stick. One thing you guys haven't worked out yet is that Snoop is having sport with you. He writes things that he knows will antagonise you and sits backs and takes delight when you guys react. I must admit I myself enjoy seeing the reaction he gets.

There, now you can get stuck into me. Carry on, gentlemen.

:)


PS. Wake me up if dot TV ever decides to go anywhere.
 
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