.com drop order

[B Klug]

This site says "This unique feature takes your list of COM/NET domains and arranges them into their exact drop order. DesktopCatcher will take your domains and check them to see which one will drop first, second..etc. Once in order, this thread will put all of its focus on just one domain at a time. So, rather than cycling through your entire list of domains, it only tries to register the first domain which is suppose to drop. Once that domain has dropped and been registered (by you or someone else), it will then move onto the second domain, and so on"

How does one know the order a .com drops? (I'm not talking about the day, I'm talking about the time).

I know .coms drop between 11am and noon or so (pacific time) each day, but the above linked site claims their software knows what order domains drop in.

That would be helpful to not waste API calls and focus on the proper domain in question.

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

~1.2K DropCatch* records there.

 

[davidc1]

easy to know how many dropcatch have. Look to expireddomains.net caught section of yesterday's domzins and count how many different dropcatch.com registrars there are

 

[Dom Catcher]

Just those that fall in the Dropcatch.com x - xxxx range for example (DropCatch.com 1000 LLC) total more than 1200

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

Forget, you will never beat via API even Dynadot...
Even with multiple APIs in parallel...
If those .COMs are backordered there.

 

[Dom Catcher]

Forget, you will never beat via API even Dynadot...
Even with multiple APIs in parallel...
If those .COMs are backordered there.

Definitely a fact, i personally don't try and catch that way but regardless, there is always going to be (ms delays) between the requests and all dropcatch need is 1,000 accounts to be able to send a register request every millisecond of the narrowed down second in which makes it 99.99% unlikely that most other dropcatching services don't stand a chance what so ever unless you are sending the request at the exact right second and i still personally believe that Verisign favours dropcatch requests (possibly like a whitelisted API service)

Anyway ill leave it at that, thanks for your input though its not my thread.

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

If you build your own backorder system with accredited EPP channels - you have all chances to beat at least the weakest GoDaddy backorder...
Will be harder to beat Dynadot - but theoretically possible...

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

In almost all cases I never use API to catch .com/.org

 

[Dom Catcher]

In almost all cases I never use API to catch .com/.org

I tend to use EPP channels which i've partnered with whom have direct access because i figured being a partner with multiple sources increases the chance, Its best to team up with small businesses who already have direct access to Verisigns epp, Using the standard http/https api is ok for domains that are not going to be getting hammerd by dropcatch/snapnames but to stand any chance on decent names you really need a network of EPP connections will maximum of <= 50-100ms delays from request being sent from the Drop software server, through the epp channel, to versign and back to the drop server.

Couple that with 5-10 partners an you stand a reasonable chance, The key? Getting partners on board who already have epp access to Verisign, I currently work with 6 (Not resellers) and in the past 2 weeks ive caught around 10 single keyword/single word names.

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

Dynadot significantly improved their backorder system...
In 2019 it is a problem to catch via API even .PRO if it is already backordered at Dyna.

 

[Dom Catcher]

I use to find dynadot's api.dynadot.com was down most of the time?

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

At least at 10-12 UTC Dyna API is not down... it works...
But some delays are possible...

 

[B Klug]

I am trying to figure the use of these timing. Are you trying to catch domain drops manually?

I'm trying to use API calls as efficiently as possible. Different registrars have different rules about API usage. I know of at least one, for example, that has a daily limit. So you'd want to focus usage of them, as an analogy: if you only had a certain number of bullets, you'd probably want to wait to shoot until you can actually see the enemy.

There is also no point in hammering an API if you know it will be twenty minutes before the domain you want can be registered. The poor registrars get overloaded with requests during the drop and it would be nice to not make that unnecessarily worse.

The main discovery here, though, was the order of the drop. Before I knew what order they dropped, I was rotating through each domain, A, B, C, A, B, C, .... But now I can keep trying A, A, A, A ..., then once A is registered (by me or someone else) move on to B, B, B, B, ..., etc.

I've actually been having a lot of success making use of this information. Obviously, I still don't have a great chance to get LLLL.com and other high value names (as Dropcatch owns over a thousand registrars) but I am catching medium value names with surprising success.

I am new to domaining, but have been programming Internet apps for over 20 years. I am considering creating a service based on my experience here, and possibly offering it free as a beta test to those on this forum. I have an idea for a very unique proposition.

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

LLLL.com is impossible to catch via API since 2010 or so...
Forget...

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

Via API you can get only LLL.biz and, probably, LLL.info

Regarding LLL.net/.org - also forget...

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

I am catching medium value names with surprising success.

This is your own appraisal?

I bet, you will drop most of them again... after 1 year.

 

[davidc1]

This is your own appraisal?

I bet, you will drop most of them again... after 1 year.

I sell everyday domains that I catch by API

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

Yes, if the domain has SEO parameters - it can be sold quickly...
I'm not surprised... One of my friends did such activity over decade...

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

And if SEO parameters are really high - API doesn't help...
Such domains almost always are backordered.

 

[davidc1]

Yes, if the domain has SEO parameters - it can be sold quickly...
I'm not surprised... One of my friends did such activity over decade...

I dont speak about seo domains.
I sold thousands in the past, but for years now i stopped.

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

Thousands to endusers?
For what average price?