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Why is everyone so sold on chips? Do they really mean that much to end users in China? Or is it just a fad group mentality bubble waiting to pop?

Let’s have a look at the top websites in China:
  • baidu.com
  • qq.com
  • taobao.com
  • weibo.com
  • 360.cn
  • 163.com
  • sina.com.cn
  • sohu.com
  • renmin.net
  • xinhua.net
  • jd.com
  • tmall.com
  • youku.com
  • etc...
Notice how none of them are chips?

They all have vowels aeiou… in China it’s more important what the pinyin translates to in Chinese which is more than just putting your chips in google translate:

Baidu.com (百度: bǎi dù) Sina.com (新浪网: xīn làng wǎng), 163.com (网易: wǎng yì), Sohu.com (搜狐: sōu hú)

Truth is aeiou are highly sought after and are already used by almost all the biggest websites in China.

So why the sudden gold rush with chips and not brandables? I lived in China for 5 years and believe there’s 3 main reasons:

1 – internet is huge and new websites/businesses are popping up online at an astounding rate. Living in cramped apartments with smog outside means everyone’s on the internet – it’s huge! But everyone thinks that Chinese can only type in chip domains and nothing else = false as shown by all the top websites in China not being chips…

2 – Chinese herd mentality with investing – it started with real estate & Chinese stock market where everyone got in, market crashed & now they’re looking for new investments. Big guys get into domains – everyone blindly follows then lose their shirts when the big boys get out… rinse & repeat - question is how long this domain frenzy will continue for?

3 – which brings us to foreign capital outflows in china (reason why lots of big investments into domains recently). Many Chinese view domains as something they can use to transfer money out of the country since the government is clamping down on all foreign outflows of capital. People keep finding new ways to get their money out of the country/security and the government keeps plugging the holes – rinse and repeat with new ideas/investments to get money out of the country/get investments that can’t be taken away by the government. Domains are no different. If the domain investments work to hide people’s money and transfer it overseas there’s a good chance the government will stop this from happening (as they’ve done with all previous methods). What could the government do? Maybe force Chinese websites to only use .cn would be doubtful but I wouldn’t put it past them. Make it harder to transfer domains out of the country = likely…remember we're talking about trillions of dollars seeking a safe haven overseas.

Either way if domains prove to not be a good place to hide money then the big Chinese money investers/domain buyers will move out to the next investment niche which will leave the ‘herd’ of small time Chinese domainers screwed and taking a loss. Investment cycles in China do not go up forever as is shown by their stock market and overall economy which is in big trouble.

Have you noticed the big investments by Chinese companies over the last year or the purchases of houses in Vancouver, SF, Sydney, etc? It’s because everyone knows it’s now the time to buy overseas before the Chinese currency gets depreciated. China spent something like 500 billion last year just propping up their currency – this can’t happen forever so Chinese are buying anything and everything overseas right now while the currency/economy is strong.

Nobody is safe in China, corruption is huge and anyone can be thrown in jail and their money confiscated at any time. There’s big demand to get money out of China and into secure investments (some see domains as one venue to secure their money). But most rich Chinese have already got their money out of the country. So what happens when the currency devalues = Chinese not spending abroad on things such as domains which I think will happen in the next year = big downturn in China & China has already bought enough domains to sell internally without purchasing overseas.

So where does that leave western domainers wondering about the Chinese market for domains?

1- Within a year +/- Chinese investments abroad will scream to a halt when the currency devalues which will definitely affect the number of domains being sold to the Chinese on platforms such as Namejet, gd, sedo, etc. This will likely leave western domainers holding bags full of chips with few people to buy them. China has already purchased enough domains to flip with each other and satisfy demand for a long time.

2- Chinese economy is in a very rocky transition – the golden years of 10%+ growth a year is a thing of the past. Now is the time to sell to China before things deteriorate too much over there. Remember what happened to Japan after the boom years and them buying up the world?

3- branding in China is more important than chips – all the largest websites in China are not chips – they are brands so start thinking outside the box. There’s lots of companies in China that want to be global and there’s lots of Chinese that think western brands are better = short pronounceable domains that can translate into something meaningful in pinyin will be a solid long term bet. Also brandable domains with aeiouv have end users wordwide. Besides numerics which there will always be demand for - If you have any 4l or 5l brandable/pronounceable .com domains that will likely be the next gold rush.

What do you guys think about chips?
 
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Confucius say "Cannot sell what they won't buy..."
 
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What about the fact that the vast majority of 2L, 3L, 2N, 3N have never been used ever, talking way before the influx of Chinese money/tastes.
 
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The conundrum I find interesting is that pinyin knowledge came after CHIP investing to some domainers.
 
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Everyone trying to make sense of all this, but no one knows for sure what will happen. Sure, these Chips can go down, but it's not just about pinyins, it's also about the rareness factor. Short domains in general have gone up in value for years. Look at NNN, NNNN, and LLL .com's 10 years ago. Are most of these short domains developed by an end-user? No. But they have not only retained their value, but have gone up significantly over the years.

I think NNNNN and LLLL is the limit though. Beyond that, the supply is too abundant.
 
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The "chips" game started less than 2 years ago by a group of Hong Kong fund managers, who are now laughing all the way to the bank. Large portfolio acquisitions, registrations of available domains followed by trading among the club's members, and hey presto, every Chinese guy wants a "chip". So far, the game is holding but when those large portfolios get sold off swiftly, don't act surprised about the drop in prices.
 
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Thanks for the information, valuable.
 
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Very good article. Thank you.
 
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It's never good to put all your eggs in one basket, I don't. As with anything time will tell, might be a good time to buy chips or might be time to sell and move on.

Good read.. :!:
 
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What about the fact that the vast majority of 2L, 3L, 2N, 3N have never been used ever, talking way before the influx of Chinese money/tastes.

Many 2L are developed and used by end users... And also many 3L. It is a simple supply and demand thing. Low supply, high demand makes them desirable...
 
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I've been doing a bit of research since my first post - chatting with friends in the industry in China...

There's going to be lots of western domainers stuck holding the bag on this one regarding chips.

First, western domainers are just blindly buying chips and numerics without knowing the actual translation into pinyin mandarin. For example "I'd say xngr.com is a pretty decent comp to mwdr.com" - No it's not! they have completely different meanings - it's not just how they look! Numbers 0 and 4 are other examples - there actually highly sought after depending on the numbers beside them. Same with aeiou... I could write a whole post on this but not today.

Second, it's true the chip run up was caused by a few very large big guys in the market and the rest of the Chinese 'herd' is just following the big guys - lots of people going to get burnt on this one both inside/outside China. Now the big guys are making a profit selling to the herd end users in China. You have to remember chips started out at a few hundred and these big whales bought a shit load - now there selling.

Third, Chinese are having a major problem getting their money outside of China. I thought it would take a bit longer to happen, but it's actually happening right now. Heard of a few large companies getting denied USD this past week for outside mergers and acquisitions, getting denied purchasing machinery for USD, rich people not being able to get money out to buy houses in Van, Sydney, etc. This past week the government is really starting to clamp down on outflows of money. There's still a few very small loopholes such as bitcoin, paypal, invoices, etc but these holes will be plugged by the government soon. It's really been only the very rich big guys buying chips off gd, namejet, sedo, etc. Actual end users in China do not have the means to purchase domains internationally.

Fourth, So whose buying chips in the western marketplaces right now? it's not the big whales from China. There's a few overseas Chinese still in the game buying in the west and selling in China. But the vast majority of purchases right now are western domainers speculating. If you're one of these speculators you could be waiting a very long time for more Chinese money to start buying overseas domains in bulk. These guys already have huge portfolios they bought for cheap and have no need to buy more chips overseas.

Fifth, The existing chips in the western marketplaces will likely be traded with other western speculators or held for a long time waiting... personally I don't see much more money from China coming into western domains anytime soon. They already have bought almost all the chips with actual meanings in pinyin. There are lots of chips that mean nothing in China and that's what we're left with here in the west.
 
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Although I would agree on some of your points, you assuming that the Chinese economy will definitely go down (even bankrupt) seems a bit exaggerated. Yes, times might be different, but China still produces a huge % of the products sold around the world.
Putting all chips or even domains under the same assumptions will not lead to the correct conclusions. No domain is equal to the rest so there is no definitive conclusion of the way the price will go from now. Stocks, bitcoin and other highly sought after assets are equal among them so it is not the same thing. One BTC is one BTC no matter where it is from and which one of them all it is. Each domain is different. So if I own a chip, which somebody in china wants, will they find a way to "export" some cash out?
The most important thing is WHICH chips went in China.
4L-s are not that common and Those should retain a good price if sellers decide to.

Interesting times ahead of us
 
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Three of the names on your list are Chips, qq, jd and 163. No one ever said the Chinese don't like words either.
 
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Nobody knows what will really happen, but I do believe there is a limited supply of good short domains in meaningful extensions, like an earlier poster said up to 4L and 5N I'd consider 'short'. Despite any economic issues going on in China, I think the Chinese domain market has established and will continue on one way or another, and prices will always be up and down like any other market as investors try to buy low and sell high. The Chinese domain market has as much chance of disappearing as the domain market in the US, or Europe, or the rest of the world. We should be glad domaining has become more global, most people here have probably bought and sold domains in the past year from more nationalities than ever before.
 
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qq, jd and 163 are premium acronym brands and I doubt anyone would consider these chips - they are ultra premium 2l 3n.com worth millions = completely different.

Never claimed China will go bankrupt (countries can't go bankrupt because they can always print more money) - but they're definitely in big trouble right now & it's just a matter or how fast and how much.

Real estate investments are not performing in China and around $1 trillion usd was lost in Chinese stocks in the last year (part of the reason Chinese people are looking for alternative investments = domains)

Around $1 trillion usd left China last year as capital outflows (rich people/companies seeking safe havens for their money overseas). Many issues going on here, but this is the one that affects Chinese purchasing abroad (eg. domains) has to do with foreign capital outflows.

China has +/- $ 3 trillion in foreign reserves but they spent $500 billion just in the last 6 months propping up their currency. This is coming to an end as they can't afford to spend so much... because of this the rich Chinese have been buying/investing as much overseas as possible because they know the devaluation will happen - and it's happening right now. China absolutely 100% have to stop the transfer of wealth outside of the country = this is why you've seen very little action from the Chinese purchasing abroad in the last couple weeks. China has put the breaks on money leaving/investing/purchasing outside the country.

Getting hold of usd is not easy for everyday Chinese and purchasing internationally on gd, sedo, namejet for Chinese is a thing only the rich and connected can do. So if you're waiting for a Chinese average person to come along and buy your domain you could be waiting a long time. 99.99% of domain sales inside China are the big whales with big portfolios creating the new domain chip market and selling to the flock of sheep. As mentioned before it was the big players/whales doing all the purchasing of chips abroad in the past. This has come to an end. Take it for however you want this is just my perspective and those I know in the industry in China.
 
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Why is everyone so sold on chips? Do they really mean that much to end users in China? Or is it just a fad group mentality bubble waiting to pop?

Let’s have a look at the top websites in China:
  • baidu.com
  • qq.com
  • taobao.com
  • weibo.com
  • 360.cn
  • 163.com
  • sina.com.cn
  • sohu.com
  • renmin.net
  • xinhua.net
  • jd.com
  • tmall.com
  • youku.com
  • etc...
Notice how none of them are chips?

They all have vowels aeiou… in China it’s more important what the pinyin translates to in Chinese which is more than just putting your chips in google translate:

Baidu.com (百度: bǎi dù) Sina.com (新浪网: xīn làng wǎng), 163.com (网易: wǎng yì), Sohu.com (搜狐: sōu hú)

Truth is aeiou are highly sought after and are already used by almost all the biggest websites in China.

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https://www.namepros.com/threads/the-truth-about-chinese-premiums.896542/
 
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The "chips" game started less than 2 years ago by a group of Hong Kong fund managers, who are now laughing all the way to the bank. Large portfolio acquisitions, registrations of available domains followed by trading among the club's members, and hey presto, every Chinese guy wants a "chip". So far, the game is holding but when those large portfolios get sold off swiftly, don't act surprised about the drop in prices.


who ? names please.
which domains are they owning?
 
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Your first point is just wrong.
No one said that pinyin words are not valuable and we all understand they contain vowels.
Numbers sound similar to words.
And the 3rd category is acronyms and you don't have aeiou and v.
Many companies use acronyms in China B2B.
3 sectors
 
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There's also the "tipping hand" effect once the run on scarce resources begins. Especially with domains. There might be a correction (or has been already) but every wave of new registrations creates attention on before unseen reasons why to register a domain; that sticks in the system. Even under the aspect of creating domains combinatorially, albeit with the latter creating larger than usual fluctuations.
 
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Why is everyone so sold on chips? Do they really mean that much to end users in China? Or is it just a fad group mentality bubble waiting to pop?

Let’s have a look at the top websites in China:
  • baidu.com
  • qq.com
  • taobao.com
  • weibo.com
  • 360.cn
  • 163.com
  • sina.com.cn
  • sohu.com
  • renmin.net
  • xinhua.net
  • jd.com
  • tmall.com
  • youku.com
  • etc...
Notice how none of them are chips?

They all have vowels aeiou… in China it’s more important what the pinyin translates to in Chinese which is more than just putting your chips in google translate:

Baidu.com (百度: bǎi dù) Sina.com (新浪网: xīn làng wǎng), 163.com (网易: wǎng yì), Sohu.com (搜狐: sōu hú)

Truth is aeiou are highly sought after and are already used by almost all the biggest websites in China.

So why the sudden gold rush with chips and not brandables? I lived in China for 5 years and believe there’s 3 main reasons:

1 – internet is huge and new websites/businesses are popping up online at an astounding rate. Living in cramped apartments with smog outside means everyone’s on the internet – it’s huge! But everyone thinks that Chinese can only type in chip domains and nothing else = false as shown by all the top websites in China not being chips…

2 – Chinese herd mentality with investing – it started with real estate & Chinese stock market where everyone got in, market crashed & now they’re looking for new investments. Big guys get into domains – everyone blindly follows then lose their shirts when the big boys get out… rinse & repeat - question is how long this domain frenzy will continue for?

3 – which brings us to foreign capital outflows in china (reason why lots of big investments into domains recently). Many Chinese view domains as something they can use to transfer money out of the country since the government is clamping down on all foreign outflows of capital. People keep finding new ways to get their money out of the country/security and the government keeps plugging the holes – rinse and repeat with new ideas/investments to get money out of the country/get investments that can’t be taken away by the government. Domains are no different. If the domain investments work to hide people’s money and transfer it overseas there’s a good chance the government will stop this from happening (as they’ve done with all previous methods). What could the government do? Maybe force Chinese websites to only use .cn would be doubtful but I wouldn’t put it past them. Make it harder to transfer domains out of the country = likely…remember we're talking about trillions of dollars seeking a safe haven overseas.

Either way if domains prove to not be a good place to hide money then the big Chinese money investers/domain buyers will move out to the next investment niche which will leave the ‘herd’ of small time Chinese domainers screwed and taking a loss. Investment cycles in China do not go up forever as is shown by their stock market and overall economy which is in big trouble.

Have you noticed the big investments by Chinese companies over the last year or the purchases of houses in Vancouver, SF, Sydney, etc? It’s because everyone knows it’s now the time to buy overseas before the Chinese currency gets depreciated. China spent something like 500 billion last year just propping up their currency – this can’t happen forever so Chinese are buying anything and everything overseas right now while the currency/economy is strong.

Nobody is safe in China, corruption is huge and anyone can be thrown in jail and their money confiscated at any time. There’s big demand to get money out of China and into secure investments (some see domains as one venue to secure their money). But most rich Chinese have already got their money out of the country. So what happens when the currency devalues = Chinese not spending abroad on things such as domains which I think will happen in the next year = big downturn in China & China has already bought enough domains to sell internally without purchasing overseas.

So where does that leave western domainers wondering about the Chinese market for domains?

1- Within a year +/- Chinese investments abroad will scream to a halt when the currency devalues which will definitely affect the number of domains being sold to the Chinese on platforms such as Namejet, gd, sedo, etc. This will likely leave western domainers holding bags full of chips with few people to buy them. China has already purchased enough domains to flip with each other and satisfy demand for a long time.

2- Chinese economy is in a very rocky transition – the golden years of 10%+ growth a year is a thing of the past. Now is the time to sell to China before things deteriorate too much over there. Remember what happened to Japan after the boom years and them buying up the world?

3- branding in China is more important than chips – all the largest websites in China are not chips – they are brands so start thinking outside the box. There’s lots of companies in China that want to be global and there’s lots of Chinese that think western brands are better = short pronounceable domains that can translate into something meaningful in pinyin will be a solid long term bet. Also brandable domains with aeiouv have end users wordwide. Besides numerics which there will always be demand for - If you have any 4l or 5l brandable/pronounceable .com domains that will likely be the next gold rush.

What do you guys think about chips?

Thank you! ) Great reasoning. I have been trying to convey the same message for some time here, but many don't take it very friendly here.
 
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If everyone would just stick to what they know, then they would do fine.

I don't know the chip market and it seems like very few on NP really know it for sure either.

I stick to the pronounceable LLLL market. That is far easier to just look at the domain and read what it says. Like a vanity license plate.

LLLL that are pronounceable, brandable, or are an acronym is really what will hold and increase in value.

There are some other short domain niches that are very undervalued and seem to be overlooked by many domainers. Short domains in the good extensions will increase in value and demand.

Thanks to newviewit for posting your views on the current market in china.
 
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I always wondered where the chips term started. atypical categorizing just like 4 & zero

load of garbage destroying yours and my domain values for their own specific
end game
 
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