discuss Can you hire a domain redirect?

redemo · May 29, 2021

If someone has a domain that you cannot afford to buy can you "hire it out" and redirect to your website while it's awaiting sale to someone else? I'm also trying to think why this would be a bad idea. Are there any reliable domain hire services or websites? #domainhire

dna · May 29, 2021

You can redirect a web page with the following HTML web page.
This will redirect to google.com in 1 second.

<html>
<head>
<title>Redirect</title>
<meta http-equiv="REFRESH" content="1;url=https://www.google.com"
</head>
</html>

Mike Goodman · May 30, 2021

Direct rental or lease has potential risks and problems so it has to be done with care.

One slight variation is already available, which is the lease with purchase option. This is an out and out lease (substitute the word rental if you prefer, not much discernible difference) for a pre-agreed set period, say one year, with an option to purchase at the end of that period, or the lease may be renewed. Or it could be cancelled and the domain owner re-takes control.

Escrow.com offer this as a service, which reduces the risks considerably. Some of the more forward thinking sales platforms, including DAN and Epik, I believe, may well do so too. I haven't looked into them. Also, Biix is trying to be innovative with their approach so worth asking. There may be others.

@Josytal thanks for the heads up on your AdVow network. I wasn't previously aware of it. I have a few names worth developing, if I ever get around to developing them. Which probably describes about 50% of us on this site.

Mike Goodman · May 30, 2021

@redemo I'm not sure what y mean by Biix prices being high? They only charge 2% sales commission. Contrast that with 9% by DAN and Epik, 20% by Sedfo and Afternic, lots plus hidden charges by GD and so on. They also offer white label at no extra charge and their own landers are very acceptable. Buyer pays the escrow fees, so it looks like a very good deal to me.

Or are you suggesting the retail prices on the site are high? I can see why people may get that impression if they frequent this site. Most of the offered "valuations" I see on here hugely understate the true end user value of good domain names. Some are valuing based on previous sales, which gives a similar outcome as so many domain names in the records they are based upon have been undersold or deliberately sold wholesale in the past. Yet others are making suppositions based on SEO criteria, utterly irrelevant as it is up to the buyer to build the site and make it seen.

As far as Biix guidance goes, the owner is the same person who owns NameWorth, which attempts to value at true end user value in the first place and this is what their guidance prices are based upon.

Having said that, it is up to the person listing on Biix to decide how much to charge. Prospective buyers' details are passed on and, once again at the seller's discretion, prices can be negotiated.

Bob Hawkes · May 30, 2021

There was a firm that a year or so ago tried as a model that people could regionally rent a domain name in parallel. I can't remember their exact name but it had dyn in it and were on a .co I think. Anyway, after trying some advertising, they decided it was not worthwhile.

Lets say someone had a name like pizza. The business would see where the person typing name was, and you could purchase an area (like I could purchase western Canada). Someone from western Canada could get directed to my site, while someone from Europe a totally different redirect, all from same business. So same name could get redirected in different ways. While obvious possible concerns (abuse, reputation, VPN), the idea seemed interesting. Too bad it did not catch on. I think problem was they did not start with a large enough selection of quality names.

As others already pointed out, conventional renting can be done at DAN, Epik, through Escrow and probably others, or by setting it up privately through a domain attorney agreement.

Some companies also offer third level redirection rental. For example Names.Of.London own the domain name for.sale. I could rent out (if available) domains.for.sale and someone else in parallel tractors.for.sale and a third person cottages.for.sale.

Bob

Future Sensors · May 30, 2021

redemo said:
@Bob Hawkes Imagine owning shop.com you could rent out sub domains flower.shop.com, cake.shop.com, party.shop.com, wine.shop.com, shoe.shop.com, tennis.shop.com, computer.shop.com, carpet.shop.com. That's bordering on the genius side of things.

This is basically how DNS works. But be prepared to handle abuse for your clients, when you are going to do this...

Josytal · May 31, 2021

redemo said:
@Josytal I have registered total 50 names. 30 are projects and 20 listed for sale. Traffic is nothing to write a song about. Mainly because my names are nearly all U.K. extensions that nobody types in.

Wow, 30 projects?!
No traffic?!
What's the rationale behind having 30 projects without traffic? Why not select one or two most promising, concentrate to make them a success.
If getting type-ins is a problem, then consider having unique content(s) and bank on organic traffic via search engines. Advertising is another option.

Well, what do I know!

BrandPlease · Jun 4, 2021

@redemo Like your ideas & can see where you are tying to head with it (at least I think so, haha).

But its much more complicated - on all angles - you are touching above. Consider this scary but possible situation when "renting" a name or subname - abuse on a subname will be your problem across all subs & the primary.

One of you sub-account names sets up email & spams non-stop - bye Google indexing & all domain name value.
or
a subdomain or a rented name becomes a child **** site, file drop, or whatever... Who is getting a visit from the authorities?

Great ideas - just be careful to understand the risks & how to manage - then the awful scenarios above are not a concern.

GL

P.S. feel free to use my SEO Tools site - figure out what you need to do to get your sites SEO optimized and why you are not seeing the traffic you need. AiSerp.com (link in my sig. - I leave it free to use for the NamePros community, to kind of give back for how much I get from everyone here)

GL

noneisnone · May 29, 2021

renting you mean ?

MHExplorer · May 29, 2021

Yes domain renting is possible but only if owner is willing to do it. Just ask the owner and you might get the deal. Some also sell their domain on installment, so instead of paying rent, you can pay installment as well through Dan or Namesilo type of marketplaces.

MHExplorer · May 29, 2021

noneisnone said:
renting you mean ?

Yes, that's what he means.

lock · May 30, 2021

Sounds like you're trying to buy keywords depends whether they are on offer at the right price. I can offer domain site.rentals but what do you plan do do with it. There are problems both sides.

lock · May 30, 2021

tbh i just paid premium renewal with zero idea in hope of someone with one and money. Not my strongest idea. This has as much strength as a duel idea to do with contruction sites and webmaster sites.

Josytal · May 31, 2021

Mike Goodman said:
@Josytal thanks for the heads up on your AdVow network. I wasn't previously aware of it. I have a few names worth developing, if I ever get around to developing them. Which probably describes about 50% of us on this site.

Sure. AdVow is popular among business "warriors". Overwhelming majority of domainers don't belong to that group.

redemo · May 29, 2021

@noneisnone Yes that's right. Are there any market places for domain name rentals where you can find names to rent and list names to be rented out? Google didn't turn up much.

redemo · May 30, 2021

@lock "There are problems both sides" That's partly why I started this thread, to understand the pitfalls of such an agreement. What are the problems for both sides?

lock · May 30, 2021

This needs to be scaled into an advertising network it is all about cpc really but there is nothing tailored for the type in we haven't the ultimate lander just yet.

Future Sensors · May 30, 2021

@redemo

On Dan.com you can choose the Lease-to-own model (already suggested by @MHExplorer).

When you have a construction like this, the domain will no longer be for sale during the Lease period, as you state in your original question.

Be aware of the fact that you don't know how the domain will be used for web/email in the meantime. There may be certain risks, while you are still the owner of the domain. One of these potential risks is described here.

I'm using BIN, without Lease-to-own options.

Josytal · May 30, 2021

redemo said:
@lock Do you know of any websites I can read about renting in and renting out my names?

How many names do you have there?
And the traffic stats?
We might be interested for AdVow Ad Network

If we are able to strike a deal, you'll need to use 301 redirect (at registry level). Alternatively, if the domains already have website, you can opt for Advow Ad codes. Simple.

lock · May 30, 2021

I don't as really haven't been following on with thoughts of renting sites. There would be now more than one company offering it and a search may reveal discussions on it.

redemo · May 30, 2021

@Mike Goodman Those names listed on the homepage

branding · May 30, 2021

redemo said:
Also why do I find undeveloped.com blog pages with Dan branding?

Dan is an Undeveloped subsidiary. They renamed their sales venue to Dan Q3 2019 instead of using the parent brand.

redemo · May 30, 2021

@Bob Hawkes That's such a good idea renting out sub domains.

redemo · May 31, 2021

"Wow, 30 projects?! No traffic?!"

Different projects are at different stages but I didn't say no traffic

If getting type-ins is a problem, then consider having unique content(s) and bank on organic traffic via search engines. Advertising is another option.

Again

Skyway Go · Jun 3, 2021

Has anyone experienced Venture/com services here.

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