Can someone make ICANN stop refunding full money with-in 5 days?

[PowerUp]

I have been eyeing a domain for very long. I missed it in the aftermarket, then it went into redemption. Then pending delete. And it ended up at Snapnames with a starting bid of $99.

I was confident that nobody will bid on this name and true enough, the auction ended without any bids. So I thought Snapnames will take advantage of the "5 day refund" policy and release this domain back into public for registration.

Today, I checked, it was released and was immediately snapped up by another one of Snapnames registrar. I can see now that Snapnames will keep registering and releasing and register and release and register and release for an infinite amount of times. I will not have the chance to reg this domain.

I hope ICANN can remove the "5 day full refund" policy. Or implement a "70% refund only" policy. Then Snapnames will not be able to pull this kind of tricks and depriving us of regging truly dropped names.

 

[SharonTucci]

I think you aren't understanding the process properly.

Snap has arrangements with registrars for exclusive auctions for their domain names before they drop like normal. If there are no bids via Snap on these domains, then at that point they go through the normal process of dropping in 5 days. The odd time it might take a couple of extra days - you need to follow when the whois data is removed to see the exact date. Alternately you can add it to Snap, Club drop or Pool and it will show you the expected date it will become available. Just be careful of the time you do that so that if it is that date and you don't wish to actually backorder it so you don't get stuck with paying the min backorder fee.

Snapnames is not pulling any tricks here. This is entirely different from a 5 day refund policy.

If you want a domain that is expiring, your best bet is just to backorder it rather than trying to risk hand registering it. Chances are if it has any value or traffic, you will not be able to get it by hand. This is why the backordering system exists. It actually lets you have a real shot at getting a domain name.

Feel free to pm me the domain name and I can check up the history and tell you what is going on.... but truly, you are confusing the backorder/drop process with the refund window.

 

[PowerUp]

I think you aren't understanding the process properly.

Snap has arrangements with registrars for exclusive auctions for their domain names before they drop like normal. If there are no bids via Snap on these domains, then at that point they go through the normal process of dropping in 5 days. The odd time it might take a couple of extra days - you need to follow when the whois data is removed to see the exact date. Alternately you can add it to Snap, Club drop or Pool and it will show you the expected date it will become available. Just be careful of the time you do that so that if it is that date and you don't wish to actually backorder it so you don't get stuck with paying the min backorder fee.

Snapnames is not pulling any tricks here. This is entirely different from a 5 day refund policy.

If you want a domain that is expiring, your best bet is just to backorder it rather than trying to risk hand registering it. Chances are if it has any value or traffic, you will not be able to get it by hand. This is why the backordering system exists. It actually lets you have a real shot at getting a domain name.

Feel free to pm me the domain name and I can check up the history and tell you what is going on.... but truly, you are confusing the backorder/drop process with the refund window.

The name was originally registered with registrar xyz.com. After it dropped, it was registered by another registrar aaa.com, with a creation date of 23rd August. It was put up for bidding at Snapnames.

Nobody bid on this domain, and on the 5th day, aaa.com cancelled the registration so they can get the refund.

I was checking for the availability of this domain almosst every hour but it always show up as registered. So I did a whois check and found that the domain is registered to another registrar bbb.com with a creation date of 28th August.

This is a conspiracy of hoarding up domain names from being returned to the publicly available pool for public registration.

My guess is, this domain will again be cancelled and registered in the next 4 days. I will report again on the 3rd Sept.

 

[Dave_Z]

This is a conspiracy of hoarding up domain names from being returned to the publicly available pool for public registration.

Good luck proving that. But no, ICANN isn't going to do what you want on the
spot.

 

[PowerUp]

Good luck proving that. But no, ICANN isn't going to do what you want on the
spot.

I can take screenshots of all whois info showing the different registrars and creation dates within 5 days of each other. But I don't have the connection or money to bring these guys to justice.

If you are interested to track for yourself, here's another domain that expired on the same day as the other domain I am interested in.

qaire.com

If you look at the pending delete list, you may be able to find this domain to be pending delete on the 23rd August. The current whois creation date is 27th Aug, meaning it was registered on 23rd and then cancelled on 27th and pickup again by the current registrar.

 

[Ronald Regging]

If you look at the pending delete list, you may be able to find this domain to be pending delete on the 23rd August. The current whois creation date is 27th Aug, meaning it was registered on 23rd and then cancelled on 27th and pickup again by the current registrar.

Its not the registrars who are registering these domains. The domain went through Snap and then dropped for real. Once it dropped, some taster snatched it up, tested it for a few days than let it drop. Then a completely different taster snatched it up... There is no grand conspiracy amongst the registrars. These are just independent domainers who are tasting... Sure, you may not agree with tasting, but at present, it's not against ICANN's policies.

 

[PowerUp]

Its not the registrars who are registering these domains. The domain went through Snap and then dropped for real. Once it dropped, some taster snatched it up, tested it for a few days than let it drop. Then a completely different taster snatched it up... There is no grand conspiracy amongst the registrars. These are just independent domainers who are tasting... Sure, you may not agree with tasting, but at present, it's not against ICANN's policies.

How sure are you know it's the tasters? Are you 100% sure it's not the registrars themselves, or the person controlling this group of registrar?

Who would want to taste a name qaire.com? All the other extensions are available. Google query yields only 2,000 search results.

 

[Dave_Z]

How sure are you know it's the tasters? Are you 100% sure it's not the registrars themselves, or the person controlling this group of registrar?

Possibilities are endless. But again, good luck trying to prove there's a grand
conspiracy as you say.

BTW, ICANN did request for comments on the subject:

http://icann.org/announcements/announcement-2-10aug07.htm

However:

The group would especially appreciate statistical and other empirical evidence to support your responses, or references to potential sources of information.

The keywords are statistical and empirical.

 

[sibaong]

One of my domain was registered by 5 different registrars in 1 month, from snapnames to enom clubdrop :D

Good luck

 

[PowerUp]

One of my domain was registered by 5 different registrars in 1 month, from snapnames to enom clubdrop :D

Good luck

Is this domain still doing its rounds, or has it fully dropped and available in the public pool?

This is a plain and simple case of domain hoarding by the registrar. Who in their right mind would pick up a domain for tasting that has been dropped 4 times by domain tasters? If the ROI wasn't good for the first 4 tasters (if the first 4 are tasters at all) to warrant keeping the domain, then why would a you, a smart taster, want to pickup this domain for tasting?

 

[Kate]

Who in their right mind would pick up a domain for tasting that has been dropped 4 times by domain tasters? If the ROI wasn't good for the first 4 tasters (if the first 4 are tasters at all) to warrant keeping the domain, then why would a you, a smart taster, want to pickup this domain for tasting?

One man's meat is another man's poison
It depends what your minimum traffic threshold is. Moreover, some names may be registered just for the keyword(s), regardless of traffic.

 

[throwedoff]

Tasting is never going to be regulated, there's too much involved in it right now. Maybe if something was done about it at a much earlier point in time, but imo it's way too late to even think about it.

 

[sibaong]

Is this domain still doing its rounds, or has it fully dropped and available in the public pool?

This is a plain and simple case of domain hoarding by the registrar. Who in their right mind would pick up a domain for tasting that has been dropped 4 times by domain tasters? If the ROI wasn't good for the first 4 tasters (if the first 4 are tasters at all) to warrant keeping the domain, then why would a you, a smart taster, want to pickup this domain for tasting?

Fully dropped

It was mine and I (regret to) let it dropped :red:

So glad it's mine (again)

 

[Ronald Regging]

Is this domain still doing its rounds, or has it fully dropped and available in the public pool?

This is a plain and simple case of domain hoarding by the registrar. Who in their right mind would pick up a domain for tasting that has been dropped 4 times by domain tasters? If the ROI wasn't good for the first 4 tasters (if the first 4 are tasters at all) to warrant keeping the domain, then why would a you, a smart taster, want to pickup this domain for tasting?

I don't think you understand how some of the bigger tasters operate. They don't sit there and analyze the domains. It's all automated and random. They probably have a script that allows them to set a threshold number of domains to reg and the script just regs thousands of random domains from the pool of domains that drop that day...

If any make money, they keep them, if not, they drop them and someone else's script randomly picks them up as well.

 

[tricolorro]

I can take screenshots of all whois info showing the different registrars and creation dates within 5 days of each other. But I don't have the connection or money to bring these guys to justice.

If you are interested to track for yourself, here's another domain that expired on the same day as the other domain I am interested in.

qaire.com

If you look at the pending delete list, you may be able to find this domain to be pending delete on the 23rd August. The current whois creation date is 27th Aug, meaning it was registered on 23rd and then cancelled on 27th and pickup again by the current registrar.

:hi:

I understand the frustration you are experiencing.

In the case of qaire.com it seems the domain was NOT picked up by
a Domain Taster again on Aug 27.

If you check the Who Is ,on Aug 27 qaire.com was regged by an Italian fellow and is parking it at Parked.com.

Let's see if it drops soon- I suspect it won't.

Patrick

 

[Name Trader]

RR is giving you good information. Understand what he is saying. Can you prove it's a different SnapNames registrar picking up the domain each time. I doubt it. How sure can he be that it's being tasted? About as sure as eggs are eggs. It fit's the exact pattern of being tasted. If it isn't receiving any hits/revenue, it will eventually drop. Just be patient. Never visit the domain and only visit the whois once every 6 days. Any more and you run the risk of the taster thinking it might be worth something. How sure am I it will eventually drop? As sure as eggs are eggs

 

[PowerUp]

I'll just wait and see. Thanks for all the infos.