BackOrderZone.com?

[Name Trader]

Does anyone know anything about BackOrderZone.com? I can't find much out about them from their website or whois. Who is behind this website?

Has anyone tried them? Can they compete against NameJet/SnapNames/Reberry? How much are their backorders?

I'm reluctant to give them my credit card info just when signing up. I think they could at least register me first so I could try them out. Then if I try to backorder something with blank credit card info, they send me there to complete it.

 

[johnhoving]

AN APPEAL! Need Help with A Backorderzone.com Issue

I use it sometimes but don't bid high.
And of course I transfer out the domains ASAP.

I tried to join Backorderzone.com in order to secure a .com domain site name for a non profit organization I work for. I saw they are auctioning it off with now less than 40 hours left. I have been told because we did not back order it in time so we can not join their little club of bidders currently bidding on our name.

It seems rather unfair that this domain could fall into the hands of one of one of the corrupt corporations we fight every day or some opportunist looking to make a quick buck from a charity with little money to spare.

I am at a loss as to what to do and found this site doing some research. I don't know if it is even possible to find a good samaritan proxy bidder at this point but I thought I would do everything I could to try and prevent this domain from falling into the wrong hands.

So if there are any members of Backorderzone.com out there that might be willing to step up and help us please contact me via PM or post,

Thanks for taking the time to read this!

john

 

[lincolndsp]

^^ john, it happened to me to. I missed the backorder date, and to give a due credit to BOZ they did not allow me to enter the auction, so they are fair.

as to your question, you can try to buy the domain by contacting the person who wins the auction if he/she would like to help you kindly in your matter on mutually beneficial conditions.

 

[BreezerTNL]

Hi guys, I just want to let you know that I have just also transferred a domain from Bellnames.com (Backorderzone.com) to another registrar, it went totally smoothly. You can also accept the transfer request manually (@ Bellnames.com interface), so you can even transfer out a domain name within one hour.

Before you start a transfer, make sure that you have registered the domain name more than 60 days ago, else there will be an error (this rule is valid @ every domain registrar).

When someone needs a bidder @ backorderzone and doesn't have an account -> pm me

 

[tonecas]

another piece of the puzzle into the bag.

does any one knows the relation between intrustdomains/backorderzone and epik?

the domain DEFENSELAYWERS.COM drop today and backorderzone says it missed. however looking at the whois:

Domain Name: DEFENSELAYWERS.COM
Registrar: INVISIBLEDOMAINS.COM INC
Whois Server: whois.epik.com
Referral URL: http://registrar.epik.com
Name Server: NS1.INTRUSTDOMAINS.NET
Name Server: NS2.INTRUSTDOMAINS.NET
Status: ok
Updated Date: 13-may-2013
Creation Date: 13-may-2013
Expiration Date: 13-may-2014

Domain Name: DEFENSELAYWERS.COM
Created On: 13-MAY-2013
Last Updated On: 13-MAY-2013
Expiration Date: 13-MAY-2014
Sponsoring Registrar: INVISIBLEDOMAINS.COM INC
Status: ok
Registrant Name: Domain Admin
Registrant Organization: Epik LLC
Registrant Street: Po Box 52686
Registrant City: Bellevue
Registrant State/Province: WA
Registrant Postal Code: 98015
Registrant Country: US
Registrant Phone: (1)425-202-5160
Registrant Phone Ext.:
Registrant FAX:
Registrant FAX Ext.:
Registrant Email: [email protected]
Admin Name: Domain Admin
Admin Organization: Epik LLC
Admin Street: Po Box 52686
Admin City: Bellevue
Admin State/Province: WA
Admin Postal Code: 98015
Admin Country: US
Admin Phone: (1)425-202-5160
Admin Phone Ext.:
Admin FAX:
Admin FAX Ext.:
Admin Email: [email protected]

INVISIBLEDOMAINS.COm registrar:

Domain Name: INVISIBLEDOMAINS.COM
Registrar: NAMESCOUT CORP
Whois Server: whois.namescout.com
Referral URL: http://www.namescout.com
Name Server: NS-1521.AWSDNS-62.ORG
Name Server: NS-1634.AWSDNS-12.CO.UK
Name Server: NS-299.AWSDNS-37.COM
Name Server: NS-645.AWSDNS-16.NET
Status: clientTransferProhibited
Status: clientUpdateProhibited
Updated Date: 21-sep-2012
Creation Date: 20-sep-2005
Expiration Date: 20-sep-2013

Domain: invisibledomains.com

Date Registered: 09/20/05
Date Modified: 08/27/12
Expiry Date: 09/20/13
DNS1: ns-299.awsdns-37.com
DNS2: ns-645.awsdns-16.net

Registrant

InvisibleDomains.com Inc
Curt Millar
43 Auriga Drive
Ottawa, ON (CA)
K2E 7Y8

Administrative Contact

InvisibleDomains.com Inc
Curt Millar
43 Auriga Drive
Ottawa, ON (CA)
K2E 7Y8
[email protected]
6132252000
6138200777

regards,
tonecas

 

[Kate]

does any one knows the relation between intrustdomains/backorderzone and epik?

http://epik.com/blog/epik-completes...ains-to-add-registar-management-platform.html

http://domainnamewire.com/2011/07/14/epik-acquires-domain-name-registrar-intrustdomains/

The official version is that the registrar operation was purchased in a one-off deal. I'm sure Epik will deny they still have anything to do with the very shady characters behind intrustdomains/backorderzone.

If you sleep with dogs you will catch catch fleas

 

[tonecas]

so, the current status is that Intrustdomains and BackorderZone are two distinct and competing entities.

let us see the future developments of this story.

regards,
tonecas

 

[keepsmile]

What happened with BackorderZone ?

 

[keepsmile]

Works again...

 

[BackorderZone]

:hi: everyone,

Sorry to bump such an old topic. But because this is highly rated in google search, I wanted to clarify a few points about our company.

My name is Jay, and I am the COO of backorderzone. You can reach me anytime through PM's here or through support (at) backorderzone.com, if you call in, ask for me! Everyone is treated as a VIP at our site.

First, our company is privately owned by Argam Poghosian. He is the CEO and has not been involved with any other company referenced here, unless it is related to capturing domains with us. Just like any other backorder service, we do business with many different companies. We currently outright own 40+ domain registrars, which means that many of those registrars were purchased from companies that originally used their own brand as the registrar name. To clarify, we are NOT owned by intrustdomains, epik or any other company in this thread. You can call us, email us, etc. and you will never talk to someone at our company that does not work directly for backorderzone.com or bellnames.com (our domain platform)

Second, someone accused our company of "stealing" domains. As other users in this thread have said, we are very strict with our auction rules. Once an auction begins we do not let ANY other users in the auction, even if they offer us all of the money in the world to do so. (And trust me, we have been offered a lot.) In addition to this, we strictly disallow any of our own staff members to use our backorder service if there is more than one backorder for the domain.

Third, regarding bellnames.com. This is our domain landing platform, this is where our backorderzone.com domains are managed. Just like any other registrar/host, anyone can use our platform and point it to hosting, email servers, etc. We do not spam, because we have no reason to spam. We offer backorder services and we profit off of our auctions and credit purchases, we upsell on hosting, domain registration and email services at bellnames. When we get any reports of spamming from our hosting servers, the issue is immediately handled and the TOS offender is removed. We manage over 100,000 domains, all owned by many different users, and unfortunately we can not police them all.

I hope this clears some things up, I am very transparent about our operations here and I am willing to answer any questions you may all have about our service.

 

[PeppyNames]

These intrust guys are a big time cheat. They have scammed me earlier. If these people are the same guys then better not to deal with them or place backorder. If these are the same guys then they are wolf in sheep's clothing. They must be using shill bidders to escalate prices as that is what I expect from these cheaters that is what they used to in the old glory days of intrust.

Beware of these intrust domains (Backorderzone.com) scammers.

Please guys conduct some more investigations on this issue and make it clear. I also believe backorderzone.com = instrustdomains.com

 

[BackorderZone]

These intrust guys are a big time cheat. They have scammed me earlier. If these people are the same guys then better not to deal with them or place backorder. If these are the same guys then they are wolf in sheep's clothing. They must be using shill bidders to escalate prices as that is what I expect from these cheaters that is what they used to in the old glory days of intrust.

Beware of these intrust domains (Backorderzone.com) scammers.

It's a bit hard to argue this, since you gave no evidence, just accusations due to a bad experience you had with a completely different company. We are not intrust, and as other members in this thread are claiming, they have successfully backordered with us and participated in auctions. Are they shills as well?

We are, as far as we know, one of the top 5 backorder clubs in existence, by domains caught daily. You accuse us of using shill bidders to escalate prices, again with absolutely no evidence. But the fact is, our prices tend to be 10 times cheaper or more than namejet similar auctions. We display the username of our bidders in all private auctions, and we have much fewer users than the other major backorder platforms, so many of our bidders actually know eachother personally, or have been bidding against the same people for months.

Sorry, but honestly, we could not pull off "shill bidders" without getting caught and trashed throughout the internet by major domainers that use us. Are you really telling me that when we capture 50+ bidder namejet domains, and they sell for around $500.00-1000.00 USD on backorderzone (This happens all the time, go ahead and backorder some namejet popular domains with us, it won't cost you anything to view the auction that takes place.), that we are using shills to gain an extra, what $100 dollars? And to get that $100 we would chance 40+ registrar accreditations that cost us tens of thousands to create and maintain? :lol:

 

[PeppyNames]

well just searched on google for backorderzone.com and intrust domains and here are the results

http://www.DNF/f284/backorderzone-com-thread-477317.html
Accuses backorderzone of adding new users to the auction after catching names and that too by the trusted users on the forum and not newbies.

http://buywebsites.biz/249/dropcatching-an-expiring-domain-at-the-right-time/
This page also exposes you of being the same scammer as intrust domains.

In the end I would like to conclude that there is no smoke without fire.

Think on your sins.

 

[Kate]

Indeed, bellnames.com is associated with at least two dozen shell registrars. It's funny that there has been some much crap from bellnames/namebind/etc in the form of mass spamming, that has been going on for years - yet backorderzone is claiming they have nothing to do with it and will even terminate offenders.

Perhaps this thread has finally achieved its purpose and is now so well positioned in google that it's beginning to hurt the business of BZ.

There must be a reason why so much crap is originating from that platform. Maybe it's because it stinks and attract flies.

 

[loredan]

Give the guy a break for Christ sake! You guys are worse than my aunt lol !

He might be lying but who knows, he might tell the truth. Innocent until proven guilty, huh? So far I've seen a couple of guys in this thread who said they did smooth business with BZ, I haven't heard of anyone who has been scammed or had money/domains stolen by these guys (yet).

At least the guy spent time to register here and post in this thread, oh boy thats something! Don't think he would've been bothered to do it if he was a scammer?

 

[PeppyNames]

Give the guy a break for Christ sake! You guys are worse than my aunt lol !

He might be lying but who knows, he might tell the truth. Innocent until proven guilty, huh? So far I've seen a couple of guys in this thread who said they did smooth business with BZ, I haven't heard of anyone who has been scammed or had money/domains stolen by these guys (yet).

At least the guy spent time to register here and post in this thread, oh boy thats something! Don't think he would've been bothered to do it if he was a scammer?

Read the links I posted in the earlier post. Intrust Domains are known cyber criminals who have stolen domains names with Kenn Palm at its helm. Read about Kenn Palm of Intrust Domains then you will understand the gravity of the situation.

Now if these are the same guys then here it is how they operate with a front as BackorderZone.com

1) There is a single or couple backorder on a name. These people have no interest and will sell it to the winner.

2) There is a interest on a name from multiple people they will make there people the winners by posting the high amount as bid If the threshold amount is reached according to their internal evaluations then will sell it and they will keep it if nobody is willing to pay that much.

3) For the names they have kept they will sell it later at other sites.

So basically you are competing with the backorder company on the names you have backordered and bidded and you are giving a market evaluation of the minimum price it should sell for.

I am the person who they cheated on favorites.net you can still see the registrar on that name by checking their whois information.

Here is the complaint I made on one of the forum

http://www.domainstate.com/industry-news-6/beware-of-intrustdomains-108051.html

I also made a complaint at that time to BBB.

I am 100% sure these cybercriminals use shill bidders as they have complete internal knowledge of their system which their innocent customers don't have. It is an opaque system where they can create a new shill bidder for every auction which can't be recognized by an innocent user bidding on their system.

Also in the past they have used tactics of changing their company names using fake CEOS etc, etc of hiding under some skin.

 

[Kate]

As described earlier in this thread, the company behind backorderzone seems to be: MPIsoft.

«MPI Soft» is an USA and Ukraine based IT outsourcing company that focuses on highly qualitative, timely delivered and cost-effective offshore software development.
http://www.mpisoft.com/about.php

Ukrainian connections ? Interesting. I would have thought Poghosian was an Armenian name or something. Anyway.

Now it's interesting that intrust/etc also have a Ukrainian connection (+380 is the telephone country code for Ukraine)
https://www.namepros.com/748546-backorderzone-com-2.html#post4398617

intrust has operated under many names like DOMAINNAMESINTERNATIONAL.NET, which like others is registered at bellnames.com.
So many bad domains point to bellnames.com that it's no longer called a coincidence but a pattern.

Never mind the location (Colorado) and other similarities.

If you look at the whois history of backorderzone.com (http://who.is/domain-history/backorderzone.com) you'll see it was previously owned by namebind, you certainly remember that outfit that was spamming like crazy last year just like intrust (background info: http://www.domainnamenews.com/legal-issues/domain-spammers-fillup-christmas-inboxes/9976)
The spam E-mails always feature the same characteristics: bogus personal names, random DBA names, a constant rotation of domain names used for spamming
The Web is littered with various blog pages about BZ, that show a clear connection with namebind:
http://backorderzone.blogspot.com/2011/09/new-domain-names-for-sale-at.html
http://www.stumbleupon.com/content/1Tl2yc/comments

If the connection between intrust and backorderzone is not clear to you:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...ee.com+&cd=1&hl=is&ct=clnk&gl=is&client=opera
You can see that in the past intrust has used the same address: 6140 Tutt Blvd, #160, Colorado Springs, CO 80923. This address was returned in whois records before the 'rebranding'. Another coincidence.
Even assuming BZ is not intrust, we know they are namebind which is equally bad.

I could go on and connect more dots but at this point I think it is clear to everyone that backorderzone has a horrible background and is still a shady outfit.

I am sure that BZ, like intrust/namebind and siblings, will continue to come and go and reincarnate under different names and have fun in this business.

 

[BackorderZone]

Let me go ahead and address this step by step, even though you are completely ignoring replies, and continuing on with your conspiracy theories against us.

Read the links I posted in the earlier post. Intrust Domains are known cyber criminals who have stolen domains names with Kenn Palm at its helm. Read about Kenn Palm of Intrust Domains then you will understand the gravity of the situation.

I still don't understand why you are posting in OUR thread about it. We are not intrustdomains, we are not owned by Kenn Palm in any way, shape, or form. If this person is a backorder customer with us, then he is likely a backorder customer with namejet, godaddy, snap and every other backorder platform out there. So I guess you are also ready to accuse all of those services on being fronts for him? Your evidence is forum posts, these forums, and your OWN forum posts.

Now if these are the same guys then here it is how they operate with a front as BackorderZone.com

1) There is a single or couple backorder on a name. These people have no interest and will sell it to the winner.

If there is a single backorder on a name, we sell it to the winner. I'm not sure what you are accusing us of here. Are you saying that if its only a single or couple of bidders, we take the domain and give it to someone else? Do you know how ridiculous that sounds and how easy it would be for us to get caught?

2) There is a interest on a name from multiple people they will make there people the winners by posting the high amount as bid If the threshold amount is reached according to their internal evaluations then will sell it and they will keep it if nobody is willing to pay that much.

What? Again, how did you come to this conclusion? Come on, give us some examples of domains which we have stolen from auction. Let's see some evidence here please. If you can find a single domain that we have ever taken from an auction, I will resign my position from this company the next day. Because this would mean a conspiracy so deep, that me, the person who runs daily operations, did not know about it. I guess all of our domainers are just blind as well! (Unless you are suggesting that we capture hundreds of domains a day for ourselves only. But let's not even speculate on what you are suggesting.)

3) For the names they have kept they will sell it later at other sites.

So basically you are competing with the backorder company on the names you have backordered and bidded and you are giving a market evaluation of the minimum price it should sell for.

I am the person who they cheated on favorites.net you can still see the registrar on that name by checking their whois information.

Here is the complaint I made on one of the forum

http://www.domainstate.com/industry-news-6/beware-of-intrustdomains-108051.html

I also made a complaint at that time to BBB.

So once again, you have a problem with intrust domains, and you are posting it to our thread.

So here we go, sorry to burst your bubble...

Domain Name: FAVORITES.NET
Registrar: YOURJUNGLE, INC.
Whois Server: whois.yourjungle.com
Referral URL: http://secure.bellnames.com
Name Server: NS1.DNINSES.NET
Name Server: NS2.DNINSES.NET
Status: clientDeleteProhibited
Status: clientTransferProhibited
Status: clientUpdateProhibited
Updated Date: 27-sep-2011
Creation Date: 21-jul-2010
Expiration Date: 27-jan-2017

See that creation date?

Domain Name: BACKORDERZONE.COM
Registrar: 1 MORE NAME, LLC
Whois Server: whois.yourjungle.com
Referral URL: http://secure.bellnames.com
Name Server: NS1.BACKORDERZONE.COM
Name Server: NS2.BACKORDERZONE.COM
Status: ok
Updated Date: 26-mar-2013
Creation Date: 26-aug-2011
Expiration Date: 26-aug-2018

Well look at that... backorderzone didn't EXIST when you stated that you were scammed on this domain. YourJungle, Inc. is our registrar. We purchase dozens of registrars and consolidate our domains to only a few for management purposes. This is standard throughout the industry. So, what you have found out is that a domain owned by a company you do not like, is under one of our 35+ purchased registrars which we purchased from a company that captured this domain in 2010.

I am 100% sure these cybercriminals use shill bidders as they have complete internal knowledge of their system which their innocent customers don't have. It is an opaque system where they can create a new shill bidder for every auction which can't be recognized by an innocent user bidding on their system.

Also in the past they have used tactics of changing their company names using fake CEOS etc, etc of hiding under some skin.

I am not sure you understand what 100% sure means. However, I am 100% sure you have not provided any real evidence to link us to this company or proven any of the accusations you have made. Apparently we are evil genius masterminds, because for two years we have gotten away with stealing tens of thousands of domains, without so much as a complaint aside from a thread on a web forum. :bingo:

As I have already mentioned, any of you can sign up for our site and participate in an auction at no cost. Just bid on any high namejet domain and see for yourself.

 

[Kate]

We have a new player in town: goname.com, a Tennessee company.

First of all, it's interesting that intrustdomainsstore.com, a domain name still owned by kenn palm (intrust) is redirecting to goname.

They even own an IP address block: 128.136.33.64 - 128.136.33.127
http://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET-128-136-33-64-1/pft

What's interesting with this IP range ?
NS1.HOSTJAR.COM & NS2.HOSTJAR.COM both have address 128.136.33.69
BTW NS1.INTRUSTDOMAINS.NET & NS2.INTRUSTDOMAINS.NET also resolve to the exact same IP address
HOSTJAR.COM is owned by intrust/domainnamesinternational
I told you that intrust are constantly morphing into new entities

Now going back to page 2 of this thread
https://www.namepros.com/748546-backorderzone-com-2.html#post4398617
A Tennessee connection was already mentioned.

And we have Denis Markov again (must be Ukrainian), cofounder of intrust
Admin Contact: Denis Markov
Phone Number: +380503246354
Email: [email protected]
He owns MARKOV.COM, and the whois points to intrust again.

Let's go back to Mr Poghosian
He is the point of contact for the IP range at singlehop: 173.236.119.96/28
Within this range there is a webserver at 173.236.119.105:
http://173.236.119.105/auth/login

Intrustdomains control panel. You know, it's the entity they have nothing to do with.
Another coincidence, but it's not like I made this up.

You see, there is a lot of names, entities and more than one State involved, but we keep going round in circles to the usual suspects.

Also, an interesting read on the recently dropped (and caught) cnm.com domain: http://www.domainpicks.com/12041/an-epik-backorder-on-an-epic-domain/
In the background there is epik more or less knowingly and willingly involved with dubious business practices.

:wave:

 

[PeppyNames]

We have a new player in town: goname.com, a Tennessee company.

First of all, it's interesting that intrustdomainsstore.com, a domain name still owned by kenn palm (intrust) is redirecting to goname.

They even own an IP address block: 128.136.33.64 - 128.136.33.127
http://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET-128-136-33-64-1/pft

What's interesting with this IP range ?
NS1.HOSTJAR.COM & NS2.HOSTJAR.COM both have address 128.136.33.69
BTW NS1.INTRUSTDOMAINS.NET & NS2.INTRUSTDOMAINS.NET also resolve to the exact same IP address
HOSTJAR.COM is owned by intrust/domainnamesinternational
I told you that intrust are constantly morphing into new entities

Now going back to page 2 of this thread
https://www.namepros.com/748546-backorderzone-com-2.html#post4398617
A Tennessee connection was already mentioned.

And we have Denis Markov again (must be Ukrainian), cofounder of intrust
Admin Contact: Denis Markov
Phone Number: +380503246354
Email: [email protected]
He owns MARKOV.COM, and the whois points to intrust again.

Let's go back to Mr Poghosian
He is the point of contact for the IP range at singlehop: 173.236.119.96/28
Within this range there is a webserver at 173.236.119.105:
http://173.236.119.105/auth/login

Intrustdomains control panel. You know, it's the entity they have nothing to do with.
Another coincidence, but it's not like I made this up.

You see, there is a lot of names, entities and more than one State involved, but we keep going round in circles to the usual suspects.

Also, an interesting read on the recently dropped (and caught) cnm.com domain: http://www.domainpicks.com/12041/an-epik-backorder-on-an-epic-domain/
In the background there is epik more or less knowingly and willingly involved with dubious business practices.

:wave:

In the end Backorderzone.com will deny all their involvement with IntrustDomains or MPIsoft because if they will accept then they will lose all the somewhat reputation they have earned by faking their identity.

In the end what kind of evidence do you want us to give. Your company full of scammers think that domainers are fools. You tend to forget that we domainers are one of the most internet savvy people on the planet and will bring out the truth and all the evidence from the net.

Keep on changing your identity and we will make sure people know what your real identity is. By putting on some dummy CEO & company won't help you hide.

 

[BackorderZone]

First, I appreciate that you aren't just blindly throwing out accusations about our service! Thank you for that.

Intrustdomains control panel. You know, it's the entity they have nothing to do with.
Another coincidence, but it's not like I made this up.

That's not what I said or meant to convey. I said we are not owned by, have never been owned by that company. We have entirely different staffing and ownership. This does not mean they are not customers of ours, I am sure they are a customer of every major backorder service in existence. As far as the login page goes, we used to offer turn key landing pages for dozens of companies where they can manage domains that are caught with us. (Domainers with large portfolios, registrars we purchased with existing portfolios, etc.) Just like any other registrar, we try very hard to get domainers to keep their large domain portfolios with us and most of them will not want to use our bellnames platform. In the past year we switched over to a new direct API that did not require us to offer the turnkey service and instead integrates directly with our registrars.

So again, just because we register domains for a company, does not mean we are that company, even if they have a bad reputation. If the point of this thread is to prove we do business with them, that's fine, people can judge us on that for themselves. But I want to clear up the fact that we are not owned by them, we are not promoted by them, and we are not influenced by them on any policy we have. BackorderZone has have never committed any kind of fraud against our users. In fact, we believe our policies are much more friendly to domainers than most platforms out there. If we were trying to hide this, we would have let this thread die. We would not bring it back to life.

As for namebind, they were a company which we worked with early on and do regret having done so. They had the same account on backorderzone that any other customer had, and never had any type of priority over other users. In fact, we strictly disallowed them to participate in auctions because of our deal. (See all the low priced domains they offered on that blogspot page?) The "deal" we had worked out with them is that they would promote our new service with their marketing team, in exchange for a low rate on backorders. This included answering questions about us, managing our social media, and we allowed them to use our brand name in promoting us.

We didn't like the type of promoting they were doing, and the types of clients we were gaining from it (lots of fraud), and so the deal was ended. Since then we have had no affiliation with namebind outside of backorder services, and even those services ceased some time ago. Hence the reason why none of these pages were updated, even though we still use our brand name. Again, its something we regret, but it's also something that has absolutely no effect on our backorder services or policies, which is what this thread is all about.

To summarize (TL;DR), yes, we once had close relations with namebind, and we ended those relations with them. We regret the decision to allow them to use our brand, but as you can see, we are still using it and have not up and changed. We probably wouldn't be here if we had plans to do so. We have had absolutely no relation with the other companies mentioned in this thread, aside from the capture of domains through our registrars and backorder service.