Appraisal Scam Investigation [CLOSED]

[UKZJ007]

The foundation ideas of the ICCIA (International Cyber Crime Investigation Association - iccia.com) have just been set up by myself and a few other namepros members.

As you are all aware there have been a number of allegedly reported "domain appraisal" scams - Many namepros members have sufferred and now we have all decided to strike back against the scammer(s).

The plan of attack is to gather and document as much information as possible in regards to this scam and then reveal this information to the FBI and several other authorities. (BBC WatchDog, UK Police, AOL Security Team, Other ISP Security teams, Web Hosts involved e.t.c)

Victims will then communicate via the website (when launched - no date set yet) and other mediums to keep a track on progress. We will also arrange a "mass-charge-back" to our banks and carry on with tracking down this scammer as well as other scam incidents. The aim is to get a full refund for everyone involved or at the least track down and put an end to this scam incident.

After failing to "scam-bait" the scammer in the hopes of finding more information, we are now moving on to making this a legal issue.

Namepros members (to name just a few) have in total lost over thousands of dollars due to this scam incident.

This is now your chance to help track the scammer - We need as much information as possible:

- Email Headers
- Email contents
- Time of Emails
- All Tracking Attempt information
- All coresspondence with other companies
- Victim testimonials
- Victims known
- Speculations
- Anything important

I appeal to all members to work together on this project and help - I have been working hard over the last 72 hours or so (since I found out about this scam) to investigate this issue.

I am also appealing to the namepros admins to sticky this thread

Please add me on msn : [removed] if you wish to contact me personally or help in the development of this company.

Admin note: The thread starter has discontinued this project. Please do not contact him any more.

 

[cm2350]

I was just scammed by Trevor Berger

Here are the emails I received and sent back:

[B]First email received: [/B]

Hi,

I'm writing regarding your domain for sale I saw about two weeks ago.
Unfortunately, I was busy and could not contact you at that time.

Is it still available for sale? Have you received any bids from other
buyers?

Please email me your asking price.

If I can afford your domain I will contact you. Please keep my email
address and our correspondence confidential.

I run a software development company. Selling & buying names is not my
main business. Just another way to invest free money and make some
income.

Kindest regards,

Trevor Berger

CEO

Chams Consulting

Cost Analysis & Revenue Assurance Software.

My reply:

----- Original Message -----
From: chris morris
To: Chams Consulting
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 1:26 AM
Subject: Re: ebaypowersellers.biz (sent 04/10/05)

Yes, it is available for sale still, I had quite a few offers when I had my site up and running long before I decided I might sell it. The way I am selling it right now is basically to the highest bidder, now I will accept any offer that is reasonable, I have had people contact me that obviously weren't serious about buying, so you should place an offer on sedo.com for the domain name or if you had a price in mind you felt was fair, send it to me at [email protected] or reply to this message, and I will get back with you as soon as possible. Thanks, Chris Morris

His reply:

Please email me your asking price.

I have a question. After I send you money how can I be sure you'll transfer the domain to me? I don't want to lose my money.

May be we should use www.escrow.com to secure the transaction? They will handle the transfer process for us. You may also suggest your own favorite escrow service.

Here is the information for domain transfer (if we come to agreement)

NEW OWNER NAME: Trevor Berger
ADDRESS: 28, rue du Simplon, CH 1007 Lausanne, Switzerland
PHONE: 602 54 81

My reply:

his is actually the first domain I have sold, I listed it on sedo.com because a number of my friends have used them in the past and everything is handled by them. Why don't we use them so we both feel comfortable with the transaction. The handle the transferring and everything for us, the middle man so to speak, so no one gets ripped off. Go to www.ebaypowersellers.biz and click the top link where it says this domain name is for sale (click for more info) then make me an offer for the domain name. I will receive the offer and I can approve or deny it at that time and if we come to an arrangement on an offer, they will handle the whole transaction for us. Unless you know of another way to do it, like I said, I have never had to transfer domain names before, so I feel confident in using a 3rd party that is neutral. Let me know how you want to proceed or just place the offer from my website. Thanks, Chris Morris!

His reply:

Do you sell a developed site or just domain name? If you don't have a site it's not a problem. I'm mostly interested in domain names without content.

Do you have an appraisal of your domain? I need an appraisal certificate before making a final offer. Domain name is an investment for me. I'm going to sell your name later and make a profit. If I overpay I won't be able to make a profit in the future. So I need to know the current market value of your name. I guess your are also interested in getting this figure.

Please note that I don't trust free or cheap appraisals. So we cannot accept appraisal from each and every site.

To avoid mistakes I asked domain experts about reputable appraisal companies in a forum.
http://domaintalk.ourplace.com/Archive/11076.htm
Juck check this posting.

After I verify an appraisal from you we'll continue our negotiations.

How do you prefer to get paid: www.PayPal.com, www.escrow.com, check or wire?

Looking forward to your reply.

My reply:

I believe I have it set up for paypal right now, I had the domain name appraised, but I will have it appraised again to make sure no one gets hurt. Which company do you prefer for the appraisal? Let me know ASAP so I can begin the process. Thanks, Chris Morris

His reply:

I asked domain experts about reputable appraisal companies.

They recommended AllForDomains.com. I did not hear about them before but looks like they provide an accurate service.

[I]My reply:[/I]

The people at http://www.allfordomains.com/ have an appraisal process or software that I can buy to appraise unlimited domains for $65. If I just have them appraise the one domain name it's $57 or so. Do you feel comfortable with the software appraisal or do you want me to use the regular appraisal form? Oh and the site is just the domain name, no content. I felt that was better for the new owner to do with as he/she chooses. Thanks, Chris Morris!

His reply:[/I]

I think software cannot be accurate enough.

I prefer their manual (regular) appraisal service.

My reply:

Ok, I ordered their manual domain name appraisal, and I guess I am waiting for them to process my order and they will gather my domain name and then appraise it. The certificate will be delivered via email, and I think I read it will post to my website for everyone to view, but I will send you a copy of the cert. as soon as I receive it. Thanks so much for your patience. Regards, Chris Morris!

His reply:

Thank you. Let's wait for the results. I asked about other reputable
companies and people recommended NetSol & DomainMart. I may accept
appraisals from these sites too.

My reply:

Ok, I got the appraisal back, Im not to happy with this one as it is way below my last two appraisals, but here is the link to the appraised value http://www.allfordomains.com/appraisal.asp?Domain=ebaypowersellers.biz

The first two appraisals were double what this company says it's worth, but what can you do, the domain business changes day to day like stocks I guess...lol, at any rate I just don't have time for this project anymore. Thanks, Chris Morris!

His reply:

Thank you. Nice to work with you. Looks like this company provides reasonable appraisals and I will recommend them in the future but I expected a lower valuation. So Icannot agree with you that your first two appraisals were corrcet. This appraisal is more realistic.

Anyway now I see that your name has a very good potential and offer you the following.

I set the starting price based on your appraisal. Then I find a buyer. Then I pay you the appraised value and earn the difference. It takes time to find a buyer. Can you wait for 30-40 days before I find someone? I want to make money without a risk.

I'm going to buy several direct emailing services (opt-in lists) in order topromote your domain. May I use your appraisal im my promotional emails?

I don't claim exclusive rights to sell your domain. You can try to sell your domains too.

I will try to do my best. Deal ?

P.S.
Did you list/auction your name with domain brokers ?

My reply:

Sure you can use the appraisal for your emails, and I can wait, but again if someone makes me an offer in the meantime I wouldn't want you to have done all this work for nothing, why don't you make me an offer for the domain name and let's see if we both can't come to a mutual agreement, I await your reply.

Regards, Chris Morris

I sent him one more email:

Hey Trevor, I was wondering how much you were willing to offer for my website without having to email people who want to purchase a domain name? I know what the site is worth in value, but I am willing to make a deal with someone with cash because I am helping a family member with a court battle and it's taking more cash than expected. If you have an offer that you feel comfortable making, I am willing to see if we can agree on a certain amount.

Regards,

Chris Morris

He wrote back:

I don't want to risk and prefer to find a buyer firts. Thanks for the offer.

I am going to do a chargeback on the cc, and file a complaint with the FBI. Im sick of this $h1t!!!!!!!

 

[Badger]

Why have i just read all that.....??

The point was what....??

We know this guys modus operandi and of his 000's of victims - no need to post your chain of scam. I thought there was gonna be something funny at the end or...

Sorry to hear you were yet another victim.

Your chargeback is the best policy, fbi will not be interested

 

[cm2350]

I just hate this guy

Ya, I should have known better, looking back now the signs of scam were right in front of me and I thought immediately of selling my domain name instead of threat staring me in the face. I just hate this guy, ya know! I hate scammers period and I hope something really tragic happens to him and he looses more than our money!

Thanks,
Chris

 

[EbookLover]

Who have you contacted that is going to follow up on this I doubt the FBI will they have much bigger things on their Plate at least I hope so

You'd hope so, but you'd probably be surprised is my guess.

I hate these guys don't get me wrong but at the end of the day I don't even know if this is illegal, its dirty but to ask you to get an appraisal you can always say no this is very difficult I have gotten these emails in the past they are idiots but I would also think they monitor forums probably should discuss this on your website so they can't see. Good Luck

It is illegal. It's gotta be. They are just setting you up with no intention of buying and for the sole purpose of making money on your appraisal fee and nothing else.

It is the same scam as those who contact you to sell them wholesale lots of merchandise or to sell it to you. They tell you that to protect both of you, you must use an online escrow service which is based in their country. But not just any one. One in particular. One that they specifically set up to take your moeney and run. Next thing you know the site is down and gone for ever and so is your money.

All of it...it is illegal.

But I agree, little may actually ever get done about it as it is not that rampant and not perceived as a threat to the population at large. Only somain traders and who cares about them, right?! :lol:

 

[stigmata41]

Tough Guy

Pretty new to the site and already i have had an experience with the 'tough guy' appraisal scam.

Thankfully I had read this post prior to dealing with him.

I am pretty confidant that he surfs sites like this and prays upon us 'newbs' who are obviously new to all of this. At the time, im pretty sure this was the only place I had advertised that particular domain name. I didnt list it on sedo or afternic until afterwards.

Even if I had not recognized the @toughguy email addy .. He wasnt too hard to figure out. He wanted me to get an appraisal from allfordomains.com.

I replied and advised that I had already requested appraisal from Moniker.com and would let him know when it came in (approx 1 week)

He replies:

-----Original Message-----
> From: InTech Consulting [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 11:36 AM
> To: Shaun Long
> Subject: Re: About VoiceOverAdvantage.Com
>
> I don't want to waot for one week. I also won't accept cheap service
> from unknown site. You only wasted your money.
>
> I will only accept appraisals from independent companies I know and trust.

------
This was pretty accurate to what was posted here prior .. he comes off as a CEO of some big company .. and if you dont immediately give in to him .. he gets a little nasty.


In addition, My thought was that Moniker may not be the #1 Domain seller .. but they arent exactly a no-name reseller that just sprung up overnight.

The worst part of this for me was that when i went to allfordomains.com, I found this:

Domain Scam Warnings: This board, which is the #1 board on domain scam and fraud, shows you the ins and outs of protecting yourself from all the newest domain scams.

Only catch is .. they make you pay 60 bucks to become a member and have access to this section!! You would think that they would provide scam info for FREE to help their appraisal sales, so you wouldnt get cheated out of a valuable name!!

After hearing from the 'tough guy' .. i'd be more apt to purchase access to the scam warning .. then to follow his direction for an appraisal!

Thankfully though, i did not purchase anything except for the appraisal from moniker, which i had already done before hearing from him.

Thank you for posting your experiences with the 'tough guy', else I may have fallen victim to his scam as well.

 

[StudioWorks]

Congratulations for your intiative.

Would love to help .

Cheers.

 

[Badger]

It is illegal. It's gotta be. They are just setting you up with no intention of buying and for the sole purpose of making money on your appraisal fee and nothing else.

Aaah, the intricacies of our good old legal systems..

Reminds me of that time a few years back when that chap was offering something like 20 porn videos for something like $30. Anycase, he gets thousands of cheques and postal orders in from subscribers - and then, after a period of time he sends them all a letter back and a refund saying "sorry, blah blah blah, ran out of stock. So heres you rmoney back" - all perfectly legit [you would think]. Anyway, all these guys who got their refund, had cheques written to them from somewhere like the 'A** F****** and Gay Sex Company' e.g.

Ensuring he retained the money (or a good proportion of it) as no-one would ever bother to cash the cheques written to them.

Simple yet effective and certainly a genious scam. however, the authorities struggled to find a crime which this chap had broken..

And I guess the same could be said to our man trevor toughguyski

 

[labrocca]

Seems to me that anyone interested in buying a domain and requires an appraisal should pay for it. When I go to buy a house it's usually the buyer that gets the appraisal.

If that one simple rule was spread the scams would end. It's common sense that a seller should set a price and the buyer is the one who has to agree. Whenever I sell a domain or asked about one...I know what I want for it. I set my price and that's it. If they buyer doesn't know it's value he is welcome to get some crappy appraisal that's totally meaningless anyways.

Those appraisal places should just be shut down.

 

[armstrong]

Ian, that's a diabolical yet ingenious scam. Could do the same for a bunch of things, like viagra. Who'd want to cash a check from "The Amazing Hard-on, Inc."? I wonder why the scam artists haven't invented different variations of this theme.

 

[ScionStatic]

I have ALMOST been scammed. Thank goodness I didn't go through with it. I PM'd the person who started this thread about my case..

God bless,
David

 

[hotrod12]

Thank god I have not been involved in this but I try to be as cautious as possible and when I do start buying/selling domains I will definetly do it in a public enviroment (forum) so that everyone can see what is going on. Obviously some things will have to be discussed privately but it will possible deter scams.

 

[digidogstudios]

possible update?

if this soudns really stupid just ignore it please, but i was browsing through this thread and clicked a liink of the site that offers the appraisials and charging for it,

Apprasial Scam Link

Similar Design of Apprasial Scam Site

Just something i noticed, it could easily just be that they both use the same stock photos or something, just thoguht i'd point it out

for those who dont understand, compare the graphics of the indian woman

 

[hotrod12]

Yeah I noticed that but these guys are after more serious cases where apraisals are actually paid for and not given truthfully then they are scammers.

 

[Fewski]

Is there anything illegal with this scam? I've been trying to think of some, but can't. He ask us to buy an appraisal, we do. Then he doesn't do anything else.

Does anyone know of anyway he has broke the law so he can go to jail?

 

[redforest]

I just bumped into the same scam, pointing me to http://www.domaintalk.ourplace.com/Archive/28014.htm. Indeed I did try to order an appraisal from allfordomains.com, thank goodness my credit cards couldn't get through their payment system. So I went for Moniker instead. The "buyer" refused to accept Moniker's appraisal, insisting to get appraisal from known company (i.e. allfordomains.com). So I did some research and eventually I came across this thread which made everything clear.

 

[UKZJ007]

Status update on situation:

We pursued this issue as far as possible, we managed to shut down one of his websites. We've informed all appropiate authorities such as the FBI, Internet Watch Foundation etc.

We've gone as far as to pay Russian translators to speak to the Russian authorities but the higher authorities don't seem to show much of a response.

We launched ICCIA with full enthusiasm but the response and support we got was minimal and not sufficient enough to make the entire project worthwhile to proceed with. We've launched a company called CyberPlanet Ltd. We're going to be focusing on other projects and will re-vitalise the project when there are sufficient funds to do so. (We'd try getting some official support from authorities etc).

In the meantime, I'm sure our efforts weren't wasted as many people have realised that this, is indeed a scam thanks to the ICCIA and many posts from other namepros members (including this one).

If you're interested in managing the ICCIA with us, we could bump life back into the investigation and help to clean the internet up of the filth which pollutes and taints its image.

If you are interested, please contact my partner Colin Behr on namepros.

Thanks,

Zain Jaffer

 

[armstrong]

Is there anything illegal with this scam? I've been trying to think of some, but can't. He ask us to buy an appraisal, we do. Then he doesn't do anything else.

Does anyone know of anyway he has broke the law so he can go to jail?

You could still get him for fraud, which is enough of a catch-all for it to apply to many situations. Even if the criminal gets zero or minor jail time, he could be fined into bankruptcy. To prove fraud, you'd have to establish a pattern of fraudulent conduct. Unfortunately, since the individual amounts are small, a case like this is likely to prosper only if pursued by government authorities.

 

[noswad]

I cannot beleive people would skip sedo to appraise and sell with another company. Its a similar typical scam to that on eBay. Thats like someone on eBay saying:

"I will pay you using wester union rather then paypal. You send me the item and I will send you the money. It doesnt matter if I decide not to send the money but you send the item, because paypal and eBay cannot trace me."

Sedo is linked directly to your domain from bid to money transfer, like paypal is to an item.

 

[syntheticrhyme]

ALLFORDOMAINS.COM SCAM Guy's apparent name is Vladimir Obraztov

I'm in to help in any way I can. I'm determined to put an end to this type of fraud, as I experienced it myself. Here some info on the top scammer, ALLFORDOMAINS.COM


I found out from emetrix.com (company that handles the account for allfordomains.com )that the guy's apparent name is Vladimir Obraztsov

is email
[email protected]

alieas email
[email protected]

FAKE FORUM THEY USE TO NAB PEOPLE
http://www.domaintalk.ourplace.com/Archive/29016.htm

If anyone has any dealings with these people, please file a complaint with the ifcc online, It will only take a few minutes.

 

[jipsee]

hmm

well, i am certainly glad i came to this forum,
i indeed put a domain name up forsale in sedo and literally within less then a minute i had an email from a person stating that he is very interested in my domain name ,and asked me to add him to my msn messenger contact list , which i did
he said he wanted an appraisel.....and give me me this site saying its only $7.00..hmm i thought thats very reasonable ..until i see its a minimum of 5 domains @$7.00..anyway..to be honest the alrm bells were ringing b4 he mentioned it..because seeing as i had listed it on sedo i wanted to use them to deal with it and to play safe ..he seemed to be in a hurry for me to get the appraisels from this site . and kept asking if i had 'done it' yet ...
the site addy was.
http://www.finalappraisal.com
i wa still suspicious regards him ,and the site , so i checked it out..and it was only created on the 15/08/05..and the way he went on he made it like he has been using it for years...
i have just ignored him for now ..hes stil lon my msn contacts and online ..iam going to see if i can wrangle some info from him ...
i did however find it strange ..that within seconds he knew that i had put my site on sedo ..the speed of contact ,,and perhaps natures built in 'oi oi whats all this then ?' made me hang back ...
i can however supply his current email address if anyone wants it ..
thing is iam not sure what to do now to be truthful
any advice ?
all the best
jipsee

 

[phpwiz]

site looks cool and good luck guys :kickass:

 

[Pim(P)]

Myabe it would be helpfull if there was a link in the newbie forum about this scam cause it's mostly the newbs that get scammed.

 

[Namedelivery.com]

Umm dont think they're doing it.
Their url redirects to a design site now.

I am shocked at how many people fall/fell for this scam!
And I can't imagine how pissed people are when they receive that email after the appraisal!!!!

 

[ivegotcha]

okey, I am new to the site here and I am selling two domains. I have received an offer from someone, but after reading these previous threads I am wondering. I had the sites appraised last year, and the individual suggested another outside source, which I agreed to do. I have attached the last set of emails from this guy. Any one want to comment.
I wanted to suggest you Afternic.com as an appraiser, but discovered that
this service was not manual. So Afternic.com is not acceptable.

Reading responses from experienced sellers I was impressed by one reply:
"Many Internet users are not smart enough and popular domain brokers are
using this fact to make money. They offer them cheap appraisal services. But
if their customers would have something in their heads they'd understand
experts could not make a professional research for $15-$20. These appraisals
are made by machines. Easy money for such appraisers as
http://www.Afternic.com and several other major brokers that offer cheap
auto-generated appraisals. In my eyes, all services under $50-$55 are not
manual and the results are generated by special scripts. I don't trust
auto-generated appraisals."

I heard many appraisal companies often overpriced domains. So I cannot
accept appraisal from each and every site.

To avoid mistakes I asked about reputable appraisers in a forum. Several
experts recommended me AllDomains' appraisal service -
http://www.allfordomains.com/appraise.asp as a fast, accurate and
non-expensive manual service.

I also trust the manual appraisal service from http://www.DomainMart.com but
it's very expensive - $200/hour. This service was also recommended by many
people but I thought it was too expensive. But if you can afford
DomainMart.com's fee it's ok with me.

----- Original Message -----
From: Cynthia stone
To: Kayser
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 7:33 AM
Subject: Re: SO2655088.pdf


Hello:

I had the apprasial done through Sell-my.com . It was done by Terry Stewart. If there is a specific one that you would feel more comfortable with I will be glad to submit it to them for an appraisal.

Sincerely

Cynthia Stone
[email protected]


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----- Original Message -----
From: Kayser
To: Cynthia stone
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 9:19 AM
Subject: Re: SO2655088.pdf


Your appraisal is obsolete.

Anyway , I don't trust cheap services from unknown sources.

I heard many appraisal companies often made inaccurate appraisals. So I
cannot accept appraisal from each and every site. I will only accept
appraisals from independent appraisal companies I know and trust.

Reading responses from experienced sellers I was impressed by one reply:
"Many Internet users are not smart enough and popular domain brokers are
using this fact to make money. They offer them cheap appraisal services. But
if their customers would have something in their heads they'd understand
experts could not make a professional research for $15-$20. These appraisals
are made by machines. Easy money for such appraisers as
http://www.Afternic.com and several other major brokers that offer cheap
auto-generated appraisals. In my eyes, all services under $60-$65 are not
manual and the results are generated by special scripts. I don't trust
auto-generated appraisals."

The same is true for GoDaddy and SEDO. Their services are not manual. They
are just collecting money using their well-known names.

Thank you for understanding. I'm looking forward to do business with you.

----- Original Message -----
From: Cynthia stone
To: BON Software Engineering
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 7:50 PM
Subject: SO2655088.pdf


Here is the apprasial I had done last year, I hope this helps in your decision.

Sincerely

Cynthia Stone
[email protected]


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I wanted to suggest you Afternic.com as an appraiser, but discovered that
this service was not manual. So Afternic.com is not acceptable.

Reading responses from experienced sellers I was impressed by one reply:
"Many Internet users are not smart enough and popular domain brokers are
using this fact to make money. They offer them cheap appraisal services. But
if their customers would have something in their heads they'd understand
experts could not make a professional research for $15-$20. These appraisals
are made by machines. Easy money for such appraisers as
http://www.Afternic.com and several other major brokers that offer cheap
auto-generated appraisals. In my eyes, all services under $50-$55 are not
manual and the results are generated by special scripts. I don't trust
auto-generated appraisals."

I heard many appraisal companies often overpriced domains. So I cannot
accept appraisal from each and every site.

To avoid mistakes I asked about reputable appraisers in a forum. Several
experts recommended me AllDomains' appraisal service -
http://www.allfordomains.com/appraise.asp as a fast, accurate and
non-expensive manual service.

I also trust the manual appraisal service from http://www.DomainMart.com but
it's very expensive - $200/hour. This service was also recommended by many
people but I thought it was too expensive. But if you can afford
DomainMart.com's fee it's ok with me.

----- Original Message -----
From: Cynthia stone
To: Kayser
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 7:33 AM
Subject: Re: SO2655088.pdf


Hello:

I had the apprasial done through Sell-my.com . It was done by Terry Stewart. If there is a specific one that you would feel more comfortable with I will be glad to submit it to them for an appraisal.

Sincerely

Cynthia Stone
[email protected]


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----- Original Message -----
From: Kayser
To: Cynthia stone
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 9:19 AM
Subject: Re: SO2655088.pdf


Your appraisal is obsolete.

Anyway , I don't trust cheap services from unknown sources.

I heard many appraisal companies often made inaccurate appraisals. So I
cannot accept appraisal from each and every site. I will only accept
appraisals from independent appraisal companies I know and trust.

Reading responses from experienced sellers I was impressed by one reply:
"Many Internet users are not smart enough and popular domain brokers are
using this fact to make money. They offer them cheap appraisal services. But
if their customers would have something in their heads they'd understand
experts could not make a professional research for $15-$20. These appraisals
are made by machines. Easy money for such appraisers as
http://www.Afternic.com and several other major brokers that offer cheap
auto-generated appraisals. In my eyes, all services under $60-$65 are not
manual and the results are generated by special scripts. I don't trust
auto-generated appraisals."

The same is true for GoDaddy and SEDO. Their services are not manual. They
are just collecting money using their well-known names.

Thank you for understanding. I'm looking forward to do business with you.

----- Original Message -----
From: Cynthia stone
To: BON Software Engineering
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 7:50 PM
Subject: SO2655088.pdf


Here is the apprasial I had done last year, I hope this helps in your decision.

Sincerely

Cynthia Stone
[email protected]


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I wanted to suggest you Afternic.com as an appraiser, but discovered that
this service was not manual. So Afternic.com is not acceptable.

Reading responses from experienced sellers I was impressed by one reply:
"Many Internet users are not smart enough and popular domain brokers are
using this fact to make money. They offer them cheap appraisal services. But
if their customers would have something in their heads they'd understand
experts could not make a professional research for $15-$20. These appraisals
are made by machines. Easy money for such appraisers as
http://www.Afternic.com and several other major brokers that offer cheap
auto-generated appraisals. In my eyes, all services under $50-$55 are not
manual and the results are generated by special scripts. I don't trust
auto-generated appraisals."

I heard many appraisal companies often overpriced domains. So I cannot
accept appraisal from each and every site.

To avoid mistakes I asked about reputable appraisers in a forum. Several
experts recommended me AllDomains' appraisal service -
http://www.allfordomains.com/appraise.asp as a fast, accurate and
non-expensive manual service.

I also trust the manual appraisal service from http://www.DomainMart.com but
it's very expensive - $200/hour. This service was also recommended by many
people but I thought it was too expensive. But if you can afford
DomainMart.com's fee it's ok with me.

----- Original Message -----
From: Cynthia stone
To: Kayser
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 7:33 AM
Subject: Re: SO2655088.pdf


Hello:

I had the apprasial done through Sell-my.com . It was done by Terry Stewart. If there is a specific one that you would feel more comfortable with I will be glad to submit it to them for an appraisal.

Sincerely

Cynthia Stone
[email protected]


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----- Original Message -----
From: Kayser
To: Cynthia stone
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 9:19 AM
Subject: Re: SO2655088.pdf


Your appraisal is obsolete.

Anyway , I don't trust cheap services from unknown sources.

I heard many appraisal companies often made inaccurate appraisals. So I
cannot accept appraisal from each and every site. I will only accept
appraisals from independent appraisal companies I know and trust.

Reading responses from experienced sellers I was impressed by one reply:
"Many Internet users are not smart enough and popular domain brokers are
using this fact to make money. They offer them cheap appraisal services. But
if their customers would have something in their heads they'd understand
experts could not make a professional research for $15-$20. These appraisals
are made by machines. Easy money for such appraisers as
http://www.Afternic.com and several other major brokers that offer cheap
auto-generated appraisals. In my eyes, all services under $60-$65 are not
manual and the results are generated by special scripts. I don't trust
auto-generated appraisals."

The same is true for GoDaddy and SEDO. Their services are not manual. They
are just collecting money using their well-known names.

Thank you for understanding. I'm looking forward to do business with you.

----- Original Message -----
From: Cynthia stone
To: BON Software Engineering
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 7:50 PM
Subject: SO2655088.pdf


Here is the apprasial I had done last year, I hope this helps in your decision.

Sincerely

Cynthia Stone
[email protected]


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[Badger]

Jeez,

Why do people post these things....

As if anyones gonna read another monster thread where, after the first 3 lines, the chances of it not being a scam are 1 in 10 billion..

Just seach "allfordomains" or "fastdomainsales" or "trevor bergman" in this and every other domain name forum and you will see the same thread over and over again..