Another Appraisal Scam email.

[DotWeekly]

Below is a Scam email that I just got. This has been around for awhile, but I just wanted to point it out again, since I just got this a couple seconds ago.

Hello,

Please email a price you can accept for your domain name.

Our company develops software for multiple video systems. Domain names is not our business but a new way to earn on reselling. We are going to buy domains to resell them at higher prices. Our company has a large database of clients interested in good domains.

If you offer more domains for sale with good reselling potential please email us your list.

Looking forward to do business with you.

Regards,
Jacob Cohen, Ph. D.
CEO
TGN Technologies

email address used: [email protected]

 

[psalzmann]

Hehe why don't you muck around a bit? Go for his scam but continously advise that you paid the fee and you do not understand what they are talking about (when they point you to the company to pay to appraise your domain name). Clearly point the finger that you did pay.

Finally tell him he sounds like a scam, you are out some money and whatever else you'd like to add. That is if you are wanting a little fun.

 

[hathhai]

I’ve got the same email a few days before from a guy from TGN Technologies ([email protected]). Have been warned about this scam in several forums, I decided to follow the story to see what happen. Take a look at what I got.

Hello,

Please email a price you can accept for your domain name.

Our company develops software for multiple video systems. Domain names is not our business but a new way to earn on reselling. We are going to buy domains to resell them at higher prices. Our company has a large database of clients interested in good domains.

If you offer more domains for sale with good reselling potential please email us your list.

Looking forward to do business with you.

Regards,
Jacob Cohen, Ph. D.
CEO
TGN Technologies

I quoted the value, then…

Do you sell the name only without web site? I'm interested in the name so web site is not so important.

Do you have an appraisal certificate for your domain name?

Domain name is an investment for me. In other words I'm going to sell your name later and make a profit. If I overpay I won't be able to make a profit in the future. It's very important for you and me to know the current market value of your domain.

Of course, we must be sure that you are engaging a reputable appraisal company. I heard many appraisal companies often made inaccurate appraisals. I will only accept appraisals from independent sources I trust. To avoid mistakes I asked domain experts about reputable appraisal companies in a forum
http://domaintalk.ourplace.com/Archive/297514.htm

Just check this posting.

If the appraisal comes higher you can adjust your asking price accordingly. I also hope you can give me 10% - 15% discount of the appraised value.

After I get an appraisal from you we'll continue our negotiations.

How do you prefer to get paid: www.escrow.com, www.PayPal.com check or wire?

Hope we can come to an agreement fast.

Looking forward to your reply.

I didn’t want to go for any domain appraisal, then he replied…

I need a proof that our price is fair. I hope you
understand the importance of this question.

Usually, people who are selling names or web sites, provide buyers with
appraisals. This is a common practice and I'm not going to change this rule
because it's the best way to protect an investment.

I heard many appraisal companies often made inaccurate appraisals. So I
cannot accept appraisal from each and every site. I will only accept
appraisals from independent appraisal companies I know and trust.

Reading responses from experienced sellers I was impressed by one reply:
"Many Internet users are not smart enough and popular domain brokers are
using this fact to make money. They offer them cheap appraisal services. But
if their customers would have something in their heads they'd understand
experts could not make a professional research for $15-$20. These appraisals
are made by machines. Easy money for such appraisers as
http://www.Afternic.com and several other major brokers that offer cheap
auto-generated appraisals. In my eyes, all services under $60-$65 are not
manual and the results are generated by special scripts. I don't trust
auto-generated appraisals."

The same is true for GoDaddy and SEDO. Their services are not manual. They
are just collecting money using their well-known names.

Thank you for understanding. I'm looking forward to do business with you.

I agreed to appraise my domain with a trusted company and below is what he suggested…

I thought about several companies including Afternic.com, but found very interesting information:

http://www.igoldrush.com/links3.htm
"Capsule Review: After lots of complaints, Afternic is no longer a
recommended service. We will re-review the service in the near future."

I also found the following information about them
http://www.out-law.com/page-1630

So Afternic.com is NOT acceptable.

Reading responses from experienced sellers I was impressed by one reply:
"Many Internet users are not smart enough and popular domain brokers are
using this fact to make money. They offer them cheap appraisal services. But
if their customers would have something in their heads they'd understand
experts could not make a professional research for $15-$20. These appraisals
are made by machines. Easy money for such appraisers as
http://www.Afternic.com and several other major brokers that offer cheap
auto-generated appraisals. In my eyes, all services under $50-$55 are not
manual and the results are generated by special scripts. I don't trust
auto-generated appraisals."
The same is true for GoDaddy and SEDO. Their services are not manual. They are just collecting money using their well-known names.

I heard many appraisal companies often overpriced domains. So I cannot accept appraisal from each and every site.

To avoid mistakes I asked about reputable appraisers in a forum. Several experts recommended me Securenamesale's appraisal service -
http://www.securenamesale.com/appraise.asp as a fast, accurate and non-expensive manual service.

Funny huh?

 

[allendesign]

Now he changed his name and and it's TGT instead of TGN.

I got this:

TGT Systems <[email protected]> to me
show details 4:12 pm (0 minutes ago)

Hello,

Please send the lowest acceptable price for your virtual property (domain name).

Our company develops software for multiple video systems. Domain names is not our business but a new way to earn on reselling. We are going to buy domains to resell them at higher prices. Our company has a large database of clients interested in good domains.

If you offer more domains for sale with good reselling potential please email us your list.

Looking forward to do business with you.

Regards,
Robert Cohen, Ph. D.
CEO
TGT Systems

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[bl4ckwolf]

I got the same email... with TGN systems.. he did also a website for that company... i sent a reply to test him and he didn't replied back. Hopefully no one fall in this scam.

 

[Fewski]

I can't believe this scam is still around. I know when I got into domaining a few years back, I fell for it and lost $50. This guy needs to be stopped.

 

[fixxation]

I got the same sequence of emails this morning, first originating from TGT Systems <[email protected]> and then the replies followed from "Cohen" with the same email address.

What a waste of time, please everyone - avoid any email that sends you to a dummy forum on domaintalk.ourplace.com (the link I received was the exact same as the one hathhai got)

These emails are just more annoying than anything, I'd say some unexperienced domainers could fall for it though... hopefully he won't get too many!!

A.

 

[Joseph]

Toughguy sounds familiar, pretty sure a member here uses that email :td:

 

[BeZazz]

just to add to this thread my gf just received one of these, she posted a name she caught here at namepros and i currently think the scammer found her here seen she was "new" and tried the scam on her

the details the scum used were

Jacob Connelly
CEO
FJS Solutions

and the email addy of
[email protected]

the emails read basically the same as others posted above


so currently i think this scammer is either a member here or a guest as i find it hard to understand how i havnt received one of these emails after catching well over a 100 names in the last few months and my gf has only caught a handful posted here in a long running thread then receives an email..

 

[Keral_Patel]

Our company develops software for multiple video systems. Domain names is not our business but a new way to earn on reselling.

People send me this kind of emails and PM's spamming me and showing me that they are not so good at domain names and would like to pretend that they don't know anything about the domain name buying and reselling.

Can I tell them my price?
Can I get the domain name appraised from here and from there?
How many millions would I like for that particular domain name?

I do send them a reply suggesting that dear sir I am also a newbie in this domain name things. But I recently read The Domain Book and I am very impressed with it. Link: http://www.lulu.com/keralpatel :D

So if someone tries to spam you or scam you then just shoot him one of your advertisements that you have been itching to get the word out

BTW that book is written by me

 

[hathhai]

it's nice, Nick!

 

[ishan]

Dont we have a member by the name toughguy here ?
Any relation ?
If not , please do not take this as an offence.

Thanks
Ishan

 

[rmarques]

Brian Meredith TGN Software Services [email protected]

This is what I got on 09/03/2007:

1 - FIRST EMAIL

Hello,

We've found your domain for sale after visiting several auction sites.

Please submit your price for consideration.

We are in software development and support business (contractors of large corporation)

At this time we are considering domain invetsing and reselling as additional dircetion of our investment strategy.

Looking forward to do business with you.

Regards,
Brian Meredith
COO
TGN Software Services

2 - I INFORMED THE PRICE AND THIS IS THE RESPONSE I GOT

Sorry for delay with reply. I was celebrating newborn child of my sister.

Now let's discuss our deal.

00,000 USD. Ok.

Do you sell domain with a web site or just name?

If just name it's ok. Web site is not necessary.

Have you had your domains appraised already? Can you show me your valuation
certificates? As fas I know it's a common practice to show appraisal of
domain name (even without traffic and web site) before doing business.

Without appraisal I risk to overpay. In other words I won't be able to make
a profit on reselling this name. It's very important for you and me to know
the current market value of your domains.

Of course, we must be sure that you are engaging an appraisal company with
REAL manual service. I heard many appraisal companies often made inaccurate
auto-generated appraisals. I will only accept appraisals from independent
sources I trust. To avoid mistakes I asked domain experts about reputable
appraisal companies in a forum

http://domaintalk.ourplace.com/Archive/857391.htm

Just check this posting.

If the appraisal comes higher you can adjust your asking price accordingly.
I also hope you can give me 10% - 15% discount of the appraised value.

After I get an appraisal from you we'll continue our negotiations.

How do you prefer to get paid: www.escrow.com, www.PayPal.com check or
wire?

Hope we can come to an agreement fast.

Looking forward to your reply.

3 - I WAS JUST LOOKING ON GOOGLE FOR TOUGHGUY.NET AND I FOUND THIS POST

Thanks for posting this information here! Obviously this is a scam!

Rick

 

[800ml]

got the same as above

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Hello,

We've found your domain for sale after visiting several auction sites.

Please submit your price for consideration.

We are in software development and support business (contractors of large corporation)

At this time we are considering domain invetsing and reselling as additional dircetion of our investment strategy.

Looking forward to do business with you.

Regards,
Brian Meredith
President
TG Software

 

[madore9]

Toughguy sounds familiar, pretty sure a member here uses that email :td:

toughguy is a free email service so its not impossible

 

[kriss05]

my contribution

just my contribution to this collection:

This is what I got from e-mail address logsdon (at) bonbon.net

Hello,

Your domain was listed for sale.

Please don't ask to make an offer. Just send an email with your quote in US dollars for the name mentioned in the subject line.

Our company is working on custom software and hardware projects for several large corporation. Domain names is not our business but a new way to earn on reselling. We are going to buy domains to resell them at higher prices since we have a large database of clients interested in good domains.

Looking forward to do business with you.

Regards,
Edward Logsdon, Ph. D.
CEO
BONTech Solutions

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[CHILLY]

O.K. that answers that one...... this is the one I got.

Hello,

We 've found your name listed for sale.

If you are still interested in seling please send your quote and I will consider it with my partners.

Main direction of our business is software development and technical support.

Domain names is not our business but a new way to earn on reselling. We are going to buy domains to resell them at higher prices since we have a large database of clients interested in good domains.

Looking forward to do business with you.

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My reply....
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Hello, thank you and I appreciate your interest in x x x x .com. I have this name with end user potential in mind, however I am fully open to all offers. I am in the domain names
business so don't hesitate to make an offer. I am open. On a side note, I see that you
said the main direction of your business is software development, I also have x x x x .com
Setting that aside, please feel free to make an offer for x x x .com, I am all ears....

Regards,

 

[evilopinions]

Contacted me with name asch......

I asked him to deposit paypal $ 50 before i appraised...refused left....he he he ...idiot

 

[kachra65]

Thanx But Not Interested

WELL I CUT PASTED THE WHOLE PAGE FROM NAME PROS.

let'im scream.......


On 9/20/07, TGS Software <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> We are interested in your domain for sale.
>
> Please submit your price for consideration.
>
> Our company is involved in software development/support business.
>
> Now domain invetsing/reselling is just an additional direction of our investment strategy.
>
> Looking forward to do business with you.
>
> Regards,
> Brian Meredith
> President
> TGS Software
>

 

[DNK.it]

same here, only the signature was different

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Hello,

We are interested in verdena.net

It was listed in auction (your address was found via WHO IS). Please submit your price for consideration.

Our company is involved in software development/support business.

Now domain invetsing/reselling is just an additional direction of our investment strategy.

Looking forward to do business with you.

Regards,
Andrew Hoover
President
Hoover Software
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[SirDrago]

From Ahoover(.)com

Hello,

We are interested in XXXXX.biz

It was listed in auction (your address was found via WHO IS). Please submit your price for consideration.

Our company is involved in software development/support business.

Now domain invetsing/reselling is just an additional direction of our investment strategy.

Looking forward to do business with you.

Regards,
Anthony Hoover
President
HTS Software

 

[ritosh]

And yet another one ...

Hello,

We are interested in *****.biz

Your name was listed in online auction. What is your price for the name?

Our company is involved in software development/support business.

Now domain invetsing/reselling is just an additional direction of our investment strategy.

Looking forward to do business with you.

Regards,
Anthony Camacho
President
TGS Software

 

[askfind]

here is another one, i got two days ago.

TG Network Consulting <[email protected]> hide details Oct 31 (4 days ago)
date Oct 31, 2007 4:57 PM
subject Domain.name

Hello,

We are interested in (domain.name)

Your name was listed in online auction. What is your price for the name?

Our company is involved in software development/support business.

Now domain invetsing/reselling is just an additional direction of our investment strategy.

Looking forward to do business with you.

Regards,
Paul Camacho
President
TG Network Consulting
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I just registered that domain a day ago and the very next day i get this domain, he is running a script on newly registered domains and then looking up the whois, an email is send out, its a nice amount of daily collection he makes, not everyone in this workd is aware of this scam.

Maybe not a scam, but a mechanism to do sales. its our greed that gives him the opportunity.

 

[Bannen]

Is this scam still around? Wow
Works the same way as it has for the last couple years, they just keep changing a few details. I, and others, have written lots here about it... pretty simple process:
1. they email that they're interested in your name and ask you your selling price.
2. they reply OK to any amount you tell them.
3. they say that you must get a professional, personal appraisal for your name to prove its value.
4. they refer you to a url that takes you to what looks to be a forum discussing domain appraisers. **it is a FAKE forum page that they faked to look real**.
5. on that fake forum page, people seem to be 'bashing' other appraisers, but saying that one is very good. The one they say is good keeps changing name, as too many people catch on to one set of names they create a new set. It used to be allfordomains.com, now I see they're using domainsecondhand.com. Ha.
6. you go to that site, pay a huge whack of cash for a 'personal' appraisal... which actually looks suspiciously like all the auto appraisals you can get anywhere else, ha.
7. you supply this to the 'buyer', who then mysteriously loses interest in your name, comes up with an excuse that he's found a better name, or just ignores you and you never hear from them again. They've made their money on the scam appraisal, so they no longer need to pretend interest

If you look at www.domainsecondhand.com, and then go www.allfordomains.com, you'll see they are exactly the same. Layout, info, everything.

I could say a lot more, but it gets tiring re-hashing it about these geekeroonies. About 2 years ago my domaining pard got taken in for this scam. Then the next time it happened, we had some fun with it, played it right through (without doing the appraisal of course, just lots of talk back and forth), then started to pretend to act suspicious, then started to research whatever we could on them - ip address, where they're from, the names and businesses they used, etc... then we got really serious and said we were notifying the FBI, that this was a huge fraud and they were committing a serious crime, that we tracked down the names of people they were impersonating, called the companies whose names they were using so they could take them to court, etc, etc, really went to town telling them the 'steps we took each day', and they were literally SCREAMING at us over the emails by the time we got tired of it. They were swearing, threatening us in bad English (they - or some of them - are foreign), sometimes being apologetic and defensive.

Anyway, boy these guys get tiring. And they're still making a lot of money obvously, no one's shut them down yet and there are so many newbie domainers every day for them to victimize...

 

[kriss05]

I got such scam just today, slightly changed though, from ferguson (at) toughguy.net. Those scammers like to use such e-mail services, with such type of interface. All times I got such scam were on freshly regged names, looks like they really hope to scam newbies.

And, Bannen, please delete links to those scum appraisal sites because second one contains backdoor and trojan in it. Or, Moderators, please do it ASAP because it is really dangerous.

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Hello,

We are interested in XXXXXXXX.us

Your name was listed for sale. Please let us know your price.

Our company provides IT security services and performs security audit of local and global networks. Our clients are mainly based in Europe and Canada.

So investing in names is an additional direction of our financial strategy.

Looking forward to do business with you.

Regards,
Jeremy Ferguson
President
ITU Consulting
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