discuss Andrew Rosener selling Spearfishing - Justification for Premium Domains?

[GoKaizen]

Seems Andrew Rosener has given up on building out Spearfishing.com as I saw it was listed on Namejet. Don't see it up there anymore but if you try to visit the site it throws a MySQL database error. Unsure how long it has been like this. If he is listing on NJ he probably doesn't want to use it.

This begs the question if a domain broker like Rosener doesn't want to hassle with building out Spearfishing... how can you justify the value of premium domains to people?

 

[Domain Shane]

Dicker used DomainSherpa to sucker people into his development business which didn't do anything. It was such a scandal that Cyger took down ALL of the shows featuring him.

I stopped listening before that as it was clear what was happening. I had talked with the owner of a parking company who had problems working with him. He said, "This confirmed what I thought about him."

I trust no sherpas now.

Michael Cyger took his shows down to protect people like you. That would think that we condone that behavior by leaving it up. That someone might find his site and get scammed. We found out much like you did and tried to do the right thing. And for that we lose your trust. It's a shame but there are all kinds of people in this world. Lumping me in the same category as Dicker is offensive and wrong.

 

[deez007]

In my opinion the fact that he has abandoned the site and decided to sell the domain off instead doesn't actually mean the domain is worth any less and shouldn't effect the value of the domain nor should people think it's worth any less. Reason being is that I am also a Internet marketer so I understand where he is coming from. I often buy domains that I intend on developing and sometimes even start off getting the site up and often due to time constraints or other factors the project takes a back seat and ends up not getting completed and in those cases I might end up selling the domain. Another thing is that I also tried setting up a site about one of my hobbies/passions and the problem with that is you get so caught up watching videos and reading articles and magazines while looking for content and it's easy to get lost and not actually get much work done....lol

Just my opinion though....

 

[Domain Shane]

PS. Andrew's original domain company was Spearfishing.com Changed it to MediaOptions. So rather than let spearfishing sit there he tried to build it out. Also built out Santa.com, and ganjapreneur.com He learned what all do eventually, you only have time for one good site. He built a great site on 1 of those and dropped the other two. No more, no less. Santa.com is still valuable, so is spearfishing. End of story

 

[toughdomains]

It cost alot of time and money to fully develop domains. A buddy of ours put alot of time into GoFISHn.com which later just turned into a facebook page. He originally built a social media platform. Its alot of work to build and keep a community clean of spam and focused on topic. Something that a company with resources for community managers and content creators need to have in place. Not something you do on the side.

 

[mad409]

Spear fishing, standing in water throwing a spear to catch fish, eat. Seems to difficult to me, I'll just go to Red Lobster, or Captain D's here in the US and I'm good... :D

 

[iowadawg]

A lot of people who say they go spearfishing are a lot like a lot of people who say they go hunting.
It is just for fun, to have an excuse to jump in the water in exotic locales.

But the sport, etal has not bearing on why or why not a site was developed.
Or what or what not is the domain worth.

He puts it up at a price, either he sells it at that price, or at some point he lowers the price a bit.
Normal domain selling practice.
Better to start high and come down.
As to start down and try to go up.

 

[joethrows]

it would make a nice underwater photography blog. i'd pay 50-100 for it but the waters around the island i live on in thailand have been over fished and i'd have to travel or pay for content.

 

[GoKaizen]

Domain investors should definitely focus totally on buying and selling domains, not developing websites.

Sure it could add value and it may just become a big site, but it's a totally different ball game and the average domainers will just fail, waste their time and regret.

So investors shouldn't build portfolio sites? What about the useful tools and sites people build? Many which are built by NP members.

Ridiculous to think that. You should understand basics of web hosting, WordPress, content development, ad networks, and affiliate marketing if you want to sell to end users.

 

[domainnamesdaily]

You're biased. This domain appeals to people that do it, not the masses. Ask someone in Chicago about spear fishing. They could care less.

Ask anyone anywhere about domaining and 99.9999% could care less also. People spend there time doing different things. Some people spear fish and others read a forum about buying and selling domains. To each there own.

I think it's a good niche domain. Would I buy it for what he's asking no, but someday someone will pay good money for it.

 

[Chris Hydrick]

Seems Andrew Rosener has given up on building out Spearfishing.com as I saw it was listed on Namejet. Don't see it up there anymore but if you try to visit the site it throws a MySQL database error.

So, he is or isn't selling Spearfishing.com? Did it already sell? I'm confused...

It's a great niche domain IMO.

Andrew Rosener is selling domains?!?!?! Jesus. You'd think he was a domaines or broker. Oh...wait...

 

[MediaOptions]

Guys just to clear up any confusion - Spearfishing.com was a hobby site for me. I LOVE Spearfishing and I think it's one of the greatest sports on Earth. You might hate it and thats fine, I hate golf!!!! To each his own.

The fact is, the niche is an incredibly profitable niche with 70% - 90% margins on most of the equipment and the average consumer in the market being between 25 - 40 years old with a college education and an annual income over $100,000 USD. One of the most valuable target markets in the sports world in fact, along with Golf.

I simply don't have time anymore to run it the way it should be. We had a lot of interested buyers reaching out to us since we shut down the website and so we invited them to bid on Namejet for Spearfishing.com & Spearguns.com. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like any of them participated. It's a shame, because I would like to see it get into the hands of someone that will really build it the way it should be.

But anyhow, don't need to sell it and will just hang on to it for now and build it out again someday unless the right buyer comes knocking. Thanks for all the interest and kind words.

 

[serryjw]

Seems Andrew Rosener has given up on building out Spearfishing.com as I saw it was listed on Namejet. Don't see it up there anymore but if you try to visit the site it throws a MySQL database error. Unsure how long it has been like this. If he is listing on NJ he probably doesn't want to use it.

This begs the question if a domain broker like Rosener doesn't want to hassle with building out Spearfishing... how can you justify the value of premium domains to people?

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On one of the domainsherpa he discussed this a while back. I don't he was thinking of developing it for profit as much as a labor of love. He decided there are better use of his very valuable time.

 

[GoKaizen]

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Sorry, I have no idea what your point is?

Dicker used DomainSherpa to sucker people into his development business which didn't do anything. It was such a scandal that Cyger took down ALL of the shows featuring him.

I stopped listening before that as it was clear what was happening. I had talked with the owner of a parking company who had problems working with him. He said, "This confirmed what I thought about him."

I trust no sherpas now.

 

[iAchilles]

Spear fishing, standing in water throwing a spear to catch fish, eat. Seems to difficult to me, I'll just go to Red Lobster, or Captain D's here in the US and I'm good... :D

That's pole spear fishing. Spear fishing is totally submersed, but you're right about it being difficult, unless you want to fish wrasse in which case it's like shooting fish in a barrel.

spearfishing seems like a niche inside a niche. what percentage of people who go spearfishing on a regular basis have access to internet and know how to use it? it would make for an interesting way to blog your way through a few seasons on a tropical island if you were single, i suppose.

While that may be the case it's still a very big industry with a massive following. The only issue I see is that all the major players in it tend to focus not just on spearfishing gear but dive gear in general. Pure spear and fishing businesses tend to be smaller businesses.

33k global search volume will get you a decent bit of typein traffic so it has value to a company such as Beuchat. They only distribute to retailers so it's mainly for brand awareness/exposure and protection (in terms of stopping a competitor using it).

The only problem I see is that fish stocks are being depleted at unsustainable rates on a global scale. The EU recently took some drastic measures and banned bass fishing from Jan-June around the UK, Ireland and France. Quotas have also been heavily restricted and it applies to commercial and hobbyist fishing.

Great name, wish it was in my portfolio as I'd be confident of making a sale. Though I've no doubt he did all he could in terms of reaching out. Sometimes you just can't convince a company of the value a name will add to their business.

 

[offersity]

Domain investors should definitely focus totally on buying and selling domains, not developing websites.

Sure it could add value and it may just become a big site, but it's a totally different ball game and the average domainers will just fail, waste their time and regret.

 

[GoKaizen]

Im not saying you cant have portfolio sites, in fact it's necessary. If one has a very good background coding or knows one thing or two about development, sure go ahead.

However, Im still convinced most domainers will fail building websites in hope to add value to their domain names.

You have to choose niches to be successful. If you don't understand the fundamentals of making money with sites it's harder to see value or no value in a domain.

hmmm can you expand on this? I'm interested in this opinion because I've always though that it was a great idea to build a website for the purpose to getting a better price for a domain or simply get a buyer.,

If a site has value but no revenue, like Spearfishing, it's a harder sell. People see you tried to already make $$.

 

[GoKaizen]

Ask anyone anywhere about domaining and 99.9999% could care less also.

Until they see DNJournal and say "WTF?"

 

[GoKaizen]

So, he is or isn't selling Spearfishing.com? Did it already sell? I'm confused...

Seems like he tried to list on Namejet but I was confused because I thought it included the site. He is just selling the domain and focusing on the Marijuana and Santa site with MediaOptions I guess. I'm still unsure why he doesn't throw it on Flippa but he knows how to sell domain names.

It's a great niche domain IMO.

It is but you gotta find a specific buyer.

 

[Winfluence]

I don't always go spear fishing, but when I do....actually I don't go spear fishing.....

 

[GoKaizen]

Forgive me, but I'm not to familiar with NameJet. What do you mean he tried? He listed it, and it didn't meet reserve so the auction expired? Did he list it and take it down? Do you know the asking price? I'm still confused because this thread is about him selling the domain, and I can't find any information about this domain being for sale...

It was listed there but I didn't screenshot it. Unsure of how the auction went but I checked it a few times. It did have a reserve but I don't know for how much.

It seems like he would have other avenues for selling it. Direct contact with spearfishing companies from running the site.

He is passionate about spearfishing but you can't always make your passion your living. Sometimes you are too close to it to see the business side of things perhaps.

 

[joethrows]

Guys just to clear up any confusion - Spearfishing.com was a hobby site for me. I LOVE Spearfishing and I think it's one of the greatest sports on Earth. You might hate it and thats fine, I hate golf!!!! To each his own.

phase 1. buy spearfishing.com

phase 2. redirect to a golf page

phase 3. sell it back to seafood man at a profit

 

[80-20]

This begs the question if a domain broker like Rosener doesn't want to hassle with building out Spearfishing... how can you justify the value of premium domains to people?

Assuming he had built it up, how would it help you to "justify the value?"

 

[serryjw]

Assuming he had built it up, how would it help you to "justify the value?"

--------------------- Sorry, I don't understand the quesion...wht is he selling the domain for?

 

[GoKaizen]

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On one of the domainsherpa he discussed this a while back. I don't he was thinking of developing it for profit as much as a labor of love. He decided there are better use of his very valuable time.

Don't listen to the show. Why would I?

https://www.namepros.com/threads/is-adam-dicker-a-criminal-you-decide.883579/

It cost alot of time and money to fully develop domains. A buddy of ours put alot of time into GoFISHn.com which later just turned into a facebook page. He originally built a social media platform. Its alot of work to build and keep a community clean of spam and focused on topic. Something that a company with resources for community managers and content creators need to have in place. Not something you do on the side.

Plenty of people build profitable sites and start small. So you would only sell to companies that can develop with a full team? I doubt it and if you talk the talk, walk the walk.