information Am I The Only Techie Against Net Neutrality?

[Michael M]

I personally was recently upset to find that NamePros decided to take a political position in favor of Net Neutrality - which I firmly believe instates a regulatory system over the Internet that never should exist. It is sold as "Keeping the Internet Free" - but keep in mind something is much more free before it is regulated. Regulation by definition takes freedoms away from the citizens and businesses.

The position and main talking point is this regulation gives the Government the control to keep Comcast from throttling your Netflix - but it gives them much more power than that. Essentially FCC type control similar to TV networks. This could easily evolve into stifling innovation and freedom of speech.

After waking up this morning, I still found myself offended that NamePros takes this position against the interest of it's users. I found even more offense that my opposition to it seemed to fire up the admins to be more in favor of it and continue to show these deceiving messages more in the future. I refer you to the fact they told me they would put consideration before doing this again, and then short hours later said they had decided to continue. Maybe I am alone in thinking this, but that is ok.

I have yet to decide my future involvement in the NamePros community, but most certainly would feel better if they would not continue to present support in such a deceiving and intrusive manner which solicits people to sign a petition with the urgency that we will lose our freedom otherwise. This is unacceptable behavior for an Internet Company or forum about domaining IMO.

I wanted to share an article I had saved in the past because I found it important to my Industry's livelihood and future. It is amazing how close this is to how I feel today - as I stand in this forum alone.

If you watch the news, it seems just about everyone is in favor of “Net Neutrality” legislation. Despite being a tech-addicted entrepreneur, I am not. No, I am not a paid shill for the cable industry. I am no fan of Comcast or any other ISP I’ve ever had the "pleasure" of dealing with. I’m skeptical of large corporations generally and dislike the fact that in this debate I appear to be on their side. While I have no problem with net neutrality as a principle or concept, I have serious concerns about Net Neutrality as legislation or public policy. And since a false dichotomy is being perpetuated by the media in regards to this matter, I feel an obligation to put forth a third point of view. In taking this stand, I realize I may be the only techie, if I can aspire to that label, opposed to Net Neutrality and that I open myself to accusations of killing the dreams of young entrepreneurs, wrecking free speech, and destroying the Internet. Nevertheless, here are three reasons I’m against Net Neutrality legislation.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/joshst...y-techie-against-net-neutrality/#ef0ba5270d51

 

[Constantin S]

WTF are you talking about? from what I know NP was against Net Neutrality.

 

[Michael M]

WTF are you talking about? from what I know NP was against Net Neutrality.

No. They are 100% unanimously for it according to Paul. See the thread about the popup everyone was getting.

https://www.namepros.com/threads/battle-for-the-net-july-12-petition-popup.1029678

https://www.namepros.com/threads/internet-freedom-under-attack-says-godaddy.1029626

 

[NamePrime]

Now I'm confused

 

[NamePrime]

No. They are 100% unanimously for it according to Paul. See the thread about the popup everyone was getting.

https://www.namepros.com/threads/battle-for-the-net-july-12-petition-popup.1029678

https://www.namepros.com/threads/internet-freedom-under-attack-says-godaddy.1029626

hmmm. I read it and they are seem against it. Am I missing something?

 

[Constantin S]

"We've joined hundreds of other big websites in dedicating July 12 to promoting freedom on the internet."
If you just took 1-2 minutes to read what the petition was about it would've been great.
NP supports free internet.

 

[deez007]

Wait... I am confused.. I was under the impression that NP was against the idiotic concept of regulating the internet?

Ummm @Michael M

"Freedom of speech is one of the few issues both American parties can agree on these days. Unfortunately, a handful of influential politicians want to remove the policies that preserve freedom on the internet. Internet Service Providers like this idea because they'll be able to charge exorbitant fees and censor or slow down websites that compete with their own, thereby promoting their own services.

[NamePros] joined hundreds of other big websites in dedicating July 12 to promoting freedom on the internet. Many of these websites will be using the same popup that you've seen here, although there are a few different wordings that sites can choose from. Others may find different ways to speak out against the pending proposals."

 

[Michael M]

That's exactly what I mean. The way everything reads you would think they are against it and trying to save the internet freedom. But they are actually for it and trying to keep it from being repealed. Read all the way through and you will see Paul defending it on the first link.

 

[Pierre Barnard]

Net Neutrality = freedom on the internet? NO?

 

[Michael M]

"We've joined hundreds of other big websites in dedicating July 12 to promoting freedom on the internet."
If you just took 1-2 minutes to read what the petition was about it would've been great.
NP supports free internet.

They support "free internet" by supporting Net Neutrality. Which is a true contradiction.

 

[Constantin S]

Ok, this thread must be closed, it only makes people confused over nothing.

 

[Michael M]

Ok, this thread must be closed, it only makes people confused over nothing.

If you think they are against Net Neutrality - then you aren't reading their posts.

What is confusing is how they presented it.

 

[NamePrime]

Net Neutrality = giving cable companies the power over internet?

I thought it's to prevent them from getting it.

 

[Michael M]

Net Neutrality = freedom on the internet? NO?

Depending on your political persuasion or personal views - you may think differently.

But no. Net Neutrality is the opposite of freedom to me. Read the Forbes post I included.

 

[Michael M]

Net Neutrality = giving cable companies the power?

I thought it's to prevent them from getting it.

No Net Neutrality = Giving the government the power to regulate the industry. Which was operating perfectly fine and creating more innovation than anything prior - without the FCC type regulation.

 

[Constantin S]

They support "free internet" by supporting Net Neutrality. Which is a true contradiction.

Ohh God, net neutrality = internet freedom, this petition is for net neutrality to continue because FCC wants it destroyed (pretty logic), NP supports net neutrality because we like to have freedom on the internet. (sry I had to edit because I've also been confused by this thread)

 

[Michael M]

Ohh God, net neutrality is AGAINST internet freedom, this petition is AGAINST net neutrality (pretty logic), NP supports this petition NOT implementation of net neutrality.

Their petition is FOR Net Neutrality. You are not reading correctly. There are links provided that contain the info. Their popup was about SAVING Net Neutrality. @Paul Buonopane can confirm they support Net Neutrality.

 

[Michael M]

That is my exact problem. This thread illustrates people were mislead.

 

[deez007]

@Michael M

In the NP thread you posted links to... @Paul Buonopane encourages people to go to this link and get more info or join the petition:
https://www.battleforthenet.com/july12/

PornHub, YouPorn, HighTimes etc...are all companies that have signed the same petition according to that site...

By definition - Net Neutrality = Neutral internet, as in without control or enforced policies?

 

[Constantin S]

Their petition is FOR Net Neutrality. You are not reading correctly. There are links provided that contain the info. Their popup was about SAVING Net Neutrality. @Paul Buonopane can confirm they support Net Neutrality.

"The FCC wants to destroy net neutrality and give big cable companies control over what we see and do online. If they get their way, they’ll allow widespread throttling, blocking, censorship, and extra fees. On July 12th, the Internet will come together to stop them."
Do I really have to explain what this phrase means?

 

[Michael M]

"The FCC wants to destroy net neutrality and give big cable companies control over what we see and do online. If they get their way, they’ll allow widespread throttling, blocking, censorship, and extra fees. On July 12th, the Internet will come together to stop them."
Do I really have to explain what this phrase means?

Net Neutrality is already enforce. They are trying to save it, keep it active, in it's current form as the new FCC may kill it.

See how misleading the info is? You can't even see that they support Net Neutrality.

 

[Michael M]

@Michael M

In the NP thread you posted links to... @Paul Buonopane encourages people to go to this link and get more info or join the petition:
https://www.battleforthenet.com/july12/

PornHub, YouPorn, HighTimes etc...are all companies that have signed the same petition according to that site...

By definition - Net Neutrality = Neutral internet, as in without control or enforced policies?

Yes other sites support it as well. That's why my post is about being alone in thinking this. But obviously this movement is deceiving people by the wording of the popups.

 

[NamePrime]

In the popup "Cable companies want to get rid of net neutrality. Without it, sites like this one could be censored, slowed down, or forced to charge extra fees. We can stop them and keep the Internet open, fast, and awesome if we all contact Congress and the FCC, but we only have a few days left. "

 

[deez007]

neu·tral·i·ty

noun: neutrality

1. 1.
   the state of not supporting or helping either side in a conflict, disagreement, etc.; impartiality.
   "during the war, Switzerland maintained its neutrality"
2. 2.
   absence of decided views, expression, or strong feeling.
   "the clinical neutrality of the description"
3. 3.
   the condition of being chemically or electrically neutral.

 

[Michael M]

In the popup "Cable companies want to get rid of net neutrality. Without it, sites like this one could be censored, slowed down, or forced to charge extra fees. We can stop them and keep the Internet open, fast, and awesome if we all contact Congress and the FCC, but we only have a few days left. "

That is an opinion of people who support Net Neutrality.

But net neutrality is about more regulation control than just keeping comcast from throttling you.

Hence why I am amazed a lot of Tech people support it. Everyone's entitled to their opinions. I just don't want to see NPs pushing people to sign a petition by confusing them by a talking point.

I can also say Comcast is going to roll your grandma over a cliff if you don't sign.