Al Gore Wins The Nobel Peace Prize

[nstalk]

Gore and U.N. Panel Win Peace Prize for Climate Work

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/13/world/13nobel.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

There is a big movement going on have him run for president...
www.Draftgore.com,

 

[bertiewooster]

Oh God, the world's gone mad. *cries* First they give it to Kissinger, a wanted war criminal, and now to a man who has bastardized science for political purposes.

All the original proponents of the 'C02 causes global warming' have now changed their minds. Unfortunately they are being treated as 'dissenters' and if you want to keep your job and get your grants you better follow the party line. The hell with scientific truth.

There undoubtedly IS climate change going on, and it's gonna get worse, but we cannot possibly be responsible for it. It appears to be related to changing Sun activity and ALL the planets are heating up. The solar winds also stopped for 2 days in 1999 which scared the crap out of everyone because they still don't know why it happened. NASA sat on that info for 3 years.

It follows then, that if the whole solar system is heating up then not only can it not be down to us, but there is nothing we can do to change it. No matter how much money we throw at it, or how many we sacrifices we make, we cannot stop what is now happening with the climate changes.

None of the leaders of a 'human cause' of climate change are willing to address this, and none appear willing to make the sacrifices the way they are demanding the plebs do. Can you see the rich and famous going by bus? Flying economy?

We give up our cars, that would certainly curtail our freedoms wouldn't it?

Ooh and they are talking about applying a Global Tax. Won't bother them, those gits are rich, but as usual we working class peasants will suffer.

Environmentalism has become a New Religion and they use offensive language to shut dissenters up. You've all heard the term "holocaust denier", well now there's "climate change denier" and it's treated just as heinously. Deniers of course are rarely denying the fact of climate change, merely that WE are responsible for it.

Gore for President is a joke. The only hope the world has, is ironically a republican called Ron Paul. He's the only one not owned by the Corporations. He's got no chance though - he might rule all the polls on the internet and even democrats want to vote for him, but the mainstream news is doing a good job of ignoring or mocking him.

These Nobel Peace Prizes are becoming a bizarre parody of themselves.

 

[bizwiz]

Glad Al Gore won the peace prize. he made people more aware about climate change.

 

[Gene]

Did someone say evironmentalism?

http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/house.asp

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[nstalk]

A letter to the skeptical globalwarming deniers....

You really need to get your head out of the sand and try to understand what's going on in the world around you. While the vast majority of the world believes Al Gore and supports the fight against globalwarming you continue to remain in the minority with a few other Al Gore bashers.

There are three groups of skeptical globalwarming deniers.

The first group are those who deny because of their personal greed for profits such as big oil and their paid supporters. Bush was in this group until recent political pressure caused him to partially admit the truth of man-made globalwarming. A truth he has known all along but refused to admit.

The second group are those who are just too lazy, too busy, or too dumb to search out and read the world wide facts proving man-made globalwarming beyond any doubt. They believe man-made globalwarming is just a modern day myth. I call this the uninformed group.

The third group are those who have an extreme hate for Al Gore and what they perceive as far left wing liberals trying to destroy their grand lifestyles. These are the ones who are so easily mislead by first two groups. They feed off the vast amount of unsupported garbage posted on the web by the first two groups who are determined to undermine and deny every truth of man-made globalwarming supported by the vast majority of the worlds' leading and most respected climate scientists.

I believe most of our fellow member skeptics who always lash out against Al Gore are in the third group and I encourage them to at least read some of the positive reports about Al Gore instead of all the negative stuff posted by those who hate him. I doubt they know much truth at all about him. I encourage them to open their eyes and their minds to learn the truth about Al Gore and about globalwarming.

The skeptics may not be aware of the fact, but Al Gore, whether he runs for president or not, is the most influencial person on earth today over who becomes our next president. This would not be possible if the majority of people believes as the skeptics do.

It's a fact that Globalwarming is the most important issue in our world today and it will be the issue that determines who is elected the next president of the USA.

For Those who may be interested here is some Al Gore info...

Timeline: Al Gore
The life and career of Al Gore
Jessica Aldred Guardian Unlimited Friday October 12 2007

1948

Albert Arnold "Al" Gore born March 31 in Washington DC.

1965

Gore enrols at Harvard. Bored with his English major, he discovers a passion for politics and later graduates with honours in 1969. He also becomes interested in the topic of global warming after taking a course with Professor Roger Revelle, one of the first scientists to measure carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.

1976

Gore quits law school in March 1976 to run for the House of Representatives. He wins a Congress seat and is then re-elected three times, in 1978, 1980, and 1982.

Gore holds first congressional hearings on the climate change, and co-sponsors hearings on toxic waste and global warming.

1984

Gore successfully runs for a seat in the United States Senate, where he serves as a senator for Tennessee.

1988

Gore runs for president, but fails to obtain the Democratic nomination. While spending time with his son, who is recovering from a near-fatal car accident, Gore begins to write a book on environmental conservation.

1992

Bill Clinton chooses Gore to be his running mate for the 1992 United States presidential election.

Gore's book, Earth in the Balance: Ecology and the Human Spirit, is published.

1993

After a successful election campaign, Gore is inaugurated as the 45th vice-president of the United States.

As vice-president, he pushes for the implementation of a carbon tax to modify incentives to reduce fossil fuel consumption, which is partially implemented.

1994

On Earth Day, Gore launches the Globe programme, an education and science activity that uses the internet to increase student awareness of their environment.

1996

Clinton and Gore are re-elected for a second term in the 1996 election.

1997

Gore helps broker the Kyoto protocol and pushes for the passage of the treaty, which calls for a reduction in greenhouse gas emissions. He is opposed by the Senate, which unanimously passes a resolution stating that the US should not be a signatory to any protocol that does not include binding targets and timetables for developing as well as industrialised nations or "would result in serious harm to the economy of the United States".

The refusal to sign is symbolic, as the protocol is non-binding unless it is ratified by the United States.

1998

Gore symbolically signs the Kyoto protocol.

2000

After two terms as vice-president, Gore runs for president, losing controversial election to George Bush. He wins popular vote but loses electoral vote.

2002

Gore announces he will not stand as presidential candidate in 2004 elections. He criticises Bush for the war in Iraq.

Gore returns his focus to the problem of climate change. He edits and adapts a slideshow he had compiled years earlier, and begins to tour it as a multimedia presentation around the US and worldwide.

2004

Gore launches the company Generation Investment Management, which aims to blend traditional equity research with sustainability issues.

After the premiere of the film The Day After Tomorrow in New York, film producers Laurie David and Lawrence Bender see Gore's slideshow presentation. Inspired, they meet with director Davis Guggenheim about the possibility of making the slideshow into a movie. Through sceptical at first, Guggenheim agrees after seeing the presentation.

2006

An Inconvenient Truth is released in May.

In the film, Gore reviews scientific opinion on climate change, discusses the politics and economics of global warming, and describes the consequences of global climate change if the amount of human-generated greenhouse gases is not significantly reduced. Using Antarctic ice core samples, he examines the annual temperature and CO2 levels for the past 650,000 years.

The film includes many segments intended to silence critics who say that global warming is unproven.

Gore states that he will devote 100% of the profits to a new campaign to further spread the message about global warming. The makers of the film, Paramount, commit 5% of their profits for the film to the Alliance for Climate Protection.

On a bank holiday weekend in the United States, the film grosses an average of $91,447 (£45,097) per theatre - the highest amount for any film released that weekend, and a record for a documentary.

Figures released in June 2007 showed that the film had grossed over $24m(£11.8m) in the US and over $49m (£24.1m) worldwide, making it the fourth highest-grossing documentary in America after Fahrenheit 9/11, March of the Penguins and Sicko.

Later that month, the film is screened at the Cannes film festival.

January 2007

An Inconvenient Truth receives standing ovations at the Sundance film festival in Utah.

February 2007

An Inconvenient Truth wins the Oscar for best documentary, and the Sir David Attenborough award for excellence in nature filmmaking.

During global warming awareness month, Gore and Virgin boss Richard Branson announce the Virgin Earth challenge, a competition offering a $25m (£12.3m) prize for the first person or organisation to produce a viable design that results in the removal of atmospheric greenhouse gases.

March 2007

Gore hosts an event in Cambridge for power players from business, media and sport. He makes his slideshow presentation and teaches them how to make the case for action on climate change in their industries.

Gore testifies about global warming during a hearing held by the Congress committee on energy and commerce.

The Scottish executive announces plans to screen Gore's documentary as part of its geography curriculum.

June 2007

Gore backs campaign to switch off London's lights for one night in mass carbon saving event.

July 2007

Gore organises Live Earth, a seven-continent, 24-hour sequence of concerts taking place in London, Sydney, Johannesburg, Tokyo, Shanghai, Hamburg and New York to raise global awareness on climate change.

October 2007

Al Gore wins Nobel peace prize.

 

[bertiewooster]

>>You really need to get your head out of the sand and try to understand what's going on in the world around you. While the vast majority of the world believes Al Gore and supports the fight against globalwarming you continue to remain in the minority with a few other Al Gore bashers.<<

You really need to understand science and stop listening to politicians with an AGENDA.

I was around in the 70's when the vast majority of the world believed we were heading for an Ice Age. The "evidence" said so.

YES the climate is changing, but unless you care to show how we can change the climates of the rest of the solar system, our contribution is negligible. I'll say again ALL the planets are mysteriously heating up and the Solar Winds stopped for 2 days back in 1999. This is a very Bad Thing. I personally believe it has something to do with the Precession Of The Equinoxes which happen every 26,000 years - due on December 21st 2012. (Bit of a coincidence if no connection)

By all means feel righteous and give up your cars and pay a hefty 'environment' tax. But in a few years when things are just getting worse, and they've been forced to acknowledge C02 wasn't the problem, it was in fact the Sun going apeshit - they won't rescind that tax. Nor will you get your lifestyles back.

You cannot keep scientific truth suppressed for ever though. Most scientists who are on the bandwagon are not actually climatologists and only study the effects of the climate change. Or they are climatologists who haven't really studied the data in depth. Flawed science is being accepted at the moment until qualified scientists actually check the data personally. When they then turn around and say "hang on a minute, it seems it can't be C02..." they are villified. Their time will come though.

By the way, Mikail Gorbachev clues you in to what this 'C02 is the cause' BS is really about. Obviously he's mentally ill though. *smirks at Pergamon*

"The threat of environmental crisis will be the 'international disaster key' that will unlock the New World Order."

Mikhail Gorbachev Quoted in "A Special Report: The Wildlands Project Unleashes Its War On Mankind", by Marilyn Brannan, Associate Editor, Monetary & Economic Review, 1996, p. 5.]

What's that saying about: "you can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all the people all of the time"

People do indeed need to get their head out of the sand and understand what's going on in the world, and it surely isn't what politicians tell us.

LOL at that link Gene. And that's how it'll be. We live in little boxes, cut our fuel consumption, dump our cars (and hence curtail our freedom of movement). The nobs carry on as normal.

In a recent debate Gore refused to say whether he'd cut his own household consumption to that of the average American household. Says it all really.

 

[corycaly]

I'm happy that Al Gore won teh Nobel Price, it shows that people become concerened about our ecological problems.

 

[notlikeyou]

Somewhere in that time line he invented the internet.

 

[nstalk]

bertiewooster....
You have a right to your opinions but please don't refer to scientific studies and supported facts as nothing but "politicians with an AGENDA".

As for the "ice age in the 70's" you refer to, I was around then too and I remember it being nothing more than a few reports by a very thin minority of so-called climate people. It was absolutely nothing compared to our present day globalwarming problems caused by humans burning fossil fuels for energy.

Now every time a globalwarming skeptic such as you wants to post something negative they refer to that little insignificant incident. Had it not been placed on the front cover of a magazine hardly nobody would have noticed it. In fact its gotten much more press from the current day skeptics than it ever got during the 70's.

As for the ancient myth you referred to concerning 12/21/12, I find that very interesting too but I don't confuse it with our present day man-made climate problem. One has nothing to do with the other. One is a fact being proved daily to all who take the time to study and read about it and the other is a fabled myth that may or may not occur sometimes in our future.

Your reference to Mikail Gorbachev has no bearing at all on the man-made globalwarming problem we're discussing here.

As I said before, you really need to study this subject a little more.

 

[CrazyTech]

I literally thought this was a joke when I first saw the headline on the news this morning.

 

[dgridley]

Congrats to Al.. :D

 

[stscac]

:lol:

-Steve

 

[bertiewooster]

>>Now every time a globalwarming skeptic such as yourself - nstalk<<

Please learn the difference between a 'global warming skeptic' and a 'manmade global warming skeptic'. There is a difference and it is important.

Do you think if you keep repeating "man made global warming" then it becomes fact? The correct term is CLIMATE WARMING. We don't not know what is causing it, but vested interests are pushing us in one particular direction.

>>Had it not been placed on the front cover of a magazine hardly nobody would have noticed it. In fact its gotten much more press from the current day skeptics than it ever got during the 70's.<<

Environmentalism was in it's political infancy then, else they'd have surely run with this. Yes, the science wasn't there for it, but guess what the science isn't there for MANMADE global warming. It's there for global warming, but not the cause. The original proponents that it was C02 have since recanted, but it's too late. A new cause has been born that allows the State to interfere with our lives yet again.

When they do find out what the precise cause is - hopefully soon - they won't relax their grip on us. And we're so dumb we'll consider their interference normal by that time.

You talk about corporate greed: as someone recently said, "it's almost as if people don't want the Third World to develop". Of course they don't. At the moment the corporations are raping the Third World and exploiting the workers. If they develop to our level they'll expect a slice of the pie. Less profits for the corporations. How convenient we can now hobble them from development in the name of "environmentalism".

It could be said environmentalists are actually helping the corporations out here. By the way, whenever a scientific study comes out casting doubt on the 'official' version, if it has even the remotest connection with business it's pounced on and denounced on that basis. As one eminent Professor recently said, "we are busy people, we aren't going to do a study for no recompense". The latest 'skeptic' study they were asked to do they received just $10,000 from a business group. Environmental groups meanwhile received millions from vested interests and governments. Everywhere you go people are spouting "man made global warming" as if it's a FACT. The global warming possibly is (there is still some dissent on even that), but the 'man made' bit most certainly isn't. It isn't hard to see who is winning the propaganda war here.

You also seem to be under a misapprehension re 12/21/2012. It's not an 'ancient myth' it's a scientific fact. Astronomy it's called. Y'know, the study of planets. Perhaps you are thinking of the end of the Mayan Calendar on that date? Nobody knows what will happen then, just a lot of speculation, that coincides with the date for the Equinox, and various prophecies around the world.

The Precession of The Equinoxes itself is a real event and definitely not a myth or fable. It is cold hard astronomical FACT. The planets form a specific alignment cuz you know, they do move about up there.

>>Your reference to Mikail Gorbachev has no bearing at all on the man-made globalwarming problem we're discussing here.<<

Well yes it does actually. It gives a possible reason for the appalling way the scientific method has been hijacked for political purposes, just so people can go around repeating "manmade" in the same sentence as "global warming" and a theory then becomes a fact through conditioning. Until we know for certain that we are responsible - and as yet the science is not there for that - then the correct term is "climate warming" without the mind conditioning "manmade" prefix.

>>As I said before, you really need to study this subject a little more.<<

Perhaps you should take your own advice. Please tell me how we are managing to make all the other planets heat up and stop the solar winds for 2 days?

You do know if we reduce CO2 the plants and ecosystem are going to suffer? They've got a jolly wheeze going at the moment - proposed by James Lovelock of Gaia hypothesis fame no less - for ripping up the ocean and putting 134 million pipes down, and we can increase the algae for it's reflective value. The fact that algae in large amounts sucks the oxygen out of the water and will kill the marine life is just too bad.

Environmentalism is the new corporatism. Oh and lets not forget they are gonna be ripping up the Artic soon too. And in the name of this new religion, paying peanuts to grow environmentally friendly produce in backward countries like Columbia. The Columbian contractors don't bother to negotiate with the peasants whose land they want, they just turf them out or kill 'em. But hey we're overpopulated and we must all make sacrifices for The Cause.

Corporate groups are gonna be making millions out of all these new projects, and they'll get to control virtually every aspect of life on earth. For the greater good of course. Don't kid yourself that environmentalism isn't corporatism in new clothes. A few new players but the game is the same.

 

[nstalk]

In a related story here's something that affects all of us as Domainers....

Get ready for the biggest ad campaign in our history....and it will all have to do with globalwarming and the development and implementation of alternative fuels for energy.

More precisely the ads will be directed at how and why its necessary to fight globalwarming and in better ways we all can use and save energy.

As domainers we will see google, yahoo, and all the other web advertisers involved in these kinds of ads. I think you will agree it could prove very important that we know in advance what to expect in web advertising.

I have many green, globalwarming and alternative energy names now and I'm always looking for more to register. If you don't have any I suggest you get acquainted with them....they will most likely be a big part of our domaining future.

http://money.cnn.com/2007/10/11/news/economy/energy_consumption/?postversion=2007101113

http://money.cnn.com/2007/08/14/news/companies/pluggedin_gunther_murdoch.fortune/index.htm

PS.... bertiewooster, I see no point at all in arguing with you. You are a hard core (man-made) globalwarming skeptic and as such you are in a minor minority group.

Time and public opinion will prove you wrong as your group grows smaller everyday. I have no hard feeling against you because I respect your right to your opinion. However, I do feel your opinion will be ridiculed by the great majority long before 12/21/12.

 

[bertiewooster]

Ah yes, "The Great Majority"

As the top scientists who first started this new religion are now in our camp, I take some comfort that we are a major and not a minor minority.

And as history unfailing shows, The Great Majority are invariably in the wrong, and more often than not the minority, after putting up with abuse and ridicule for years, eventually get proven right. Science is littered with such cases.

I can wait.

 

[StoneRoses]

This is a recent ruling by a High Court Judge on Al Gores "An inconvenient truth" shockumentry.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=486969&in_page_id=1770

 

[Mike]

before i even engage in the battle of scientifically based statements, i'll make that short and sweet:

His popularity, non political agenda and media presence have been put to good use to address a global issue => he's a deserving winner.

IB

 

[bertiewooster]

>>His popularity, non political agenda and media presence have been put to good use to address a global issue => he's a deserving winner.<<

What about a financial agenda?

This is rather interesting: Media Ignore Al Gore’s Financial Ties to Global Warming

 

[antman]

For those skeptics, here's another article:
http://www.desmogblog.com/new-scientist-debunks-the-skeptic-myths

 

[Mike]

What about a financial agenda?

I never said he had one. The man is a spokesman with a great topic, not a Saint nor Samaritan. However, i'll let this be my final post in this topic, ... "Kerry" on, Bertie.

IB