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I have been away on business for the past few days and have had limited access to the web, usual check my emails etc but thats about it.

So today upon my return on a flight home after hearing about all of this tragic news about the Air France Crash I instantly did a whois and Im not surprised to see someone has snapped up.

Airfrancecrash.com - Air France Crash

AirFranceCrash.com, .net, .org & .info through GD.

I dont know if the guy is a domainer or who he is but the question I have to ask is why?

What makes you want to own this type of domain?

What can you do with it?

Would Air France shut you down?

Is it morally correct to own or operate these names?

At present the names are sitting in GD parking but I just dont get why someone would register this?

Anyone got any thoughts?

Regards,

Rob
 
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What exactly am I doing that's wrong? I have no issue with people having a different opinion than I do, it seems though seing as I have a different opinion to you I am branded an extortionist spineless christian with no evidence to provide for such an assertion. I wonder who is actually being closed minded here?

You came into this thread and agreed that registering "airfrancecrash.com" is immoral and makes whoeever does it subhuman scum, am I correct? You're a domainer, correct?

Domainer, by definition, is someone who takes domains when they see the potential to sell for a higher price and then sell for that higher price, therefore you're wilfully preventing someone else from getting the domain they want unless they pay you an 'extortionate' rate. Why should I pay someone who has no intention of using sex.com $10m for it?

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The registrant claims to be a "Strategic communications firm specializing in crisis communications, media relations and public affairs" yet parks a crisis domain to earn revenue - something is off.

It could be an oversight, it could be on purpose or it could be temporary whilst they get the full site up, bottom line it's irrelevant.
 
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You came into this thread and agreed that registering "airfrancecrash.com" is immoral and makes whoeever does it subhuman scum, am I correct? You're a domainer, correct?

Can you quote me on that?

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The registrant claims to be a "Strategic communications firm specializing in crisis communications, media relations and public affairs" yet parks a crisis domain to earn revenue - something is off.

Am pretty sure as someone mentioned earlier in the thread that all names registered with godaddy are automatically parked, doesn't mean those that registered the name are earning from that parked page.
 
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Can you quote me on that?

I must have misread what you said, I thought you said that you agreed with mellowmasher, I apologise if you didn't. My point still stands though, just directed at those who are actually claiming that it's only "scum" who do it.
 
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I must have misread what you said, I thought you said that you agreed with mellowmasher, I apologise if you didn't. My point still stands though, just directed at those who are actually claiming that it's only "scum" who do it.

I merely defended Mellows kindness and she has left me in no doubt that even if it would make her late for work she would in fact help an old lady across a street, but then maybe you will too once you have been here a while longer and have gotten to know her better.
 
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Debate and heated discussions are okay, but do not post any messages that are obscene, threatening, rude, or insulting. Respect your fellow members!
It's Ok to discuss these kind of things but please guys don't resort to name calling, etc. :)
 
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I just want to stop by and LOL at being called a teen, Im almost 26 and Im an insurance agent. Just because I choose to not take domain names that seriously is a personal decision, I find this thread hilarious to be honest. I come to NamePros to talk to people who Ive gotten to know and joke around in chat, does it really matter that I find nothing wrong with regging any old domain name?
 
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I have no qualms with the domaining industry as a whole and I like a chat and a joke in chat as much as you and mellow do, in fact I enjoy all your company immensely, but just because one person is willing to reg any name does not mean everyone is willing to do the same and I'm sure the experience of each domainer will dictate what they are or are not willing to do.
 
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I have no qualms with the domaining industry as a whole and I like a chat and a joke in chat as much as you and mellow do, in fact I enjoy all your company immensely, but just because one person is willing to reg any name does not mean everyone is willing to do the same and I'm sure the experience of each domainer will dictate what they are or are not willing to do.

That's not the point, I have no problem with people choosing not to do specific things, I don't drink alcohol or smoke but I don't mind if anyone else does, I do have a problem when people insult others decisions, which is exactly what mellow is doing, telling us that it's "sick" and I need to take a look at myself?
 
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There's no harm in re-examining yourself and plenty of people in the thread specified an opinion that it was sick, why you took particular offense to Mellow I don't know.
 
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I made a post in this thread and was going to move on but after reading all the comments on page 3&4 (including yours), I felt that I had to say something. This is not meant to be a flame or an insult to you (I am a professional & avoid these trivial things) so please take this with a grain of salt.

I agree with you on some parts of your rants but not all. If a person used these type of domains to run a blatant scam, then yes, they are bad people who should be struck by lightning. But are those who reg these types of domins bad? That depends on your definition of 'bad' and how your moral comscience works.

I've read that there are ppl in this world who will reg these type of domains, whether we do it or sit back & watch somebody el;se do it. I posted a link in here (page 4) that shows a NP thread made after the VA tragedy. Basically: A guy regged a bunch of "VA Tragedy" domains & tried to sell them on eBay for thousands of dollars. They never sold, of course, but the guy lived his domaining life with a terrible rep.

I won't act holier-than-thou here. I currently own RussianPreteen.com that was given to me. It has a decade or so of history, although it dropped and was picked up by the person I got it from. I wanted it because of its history but after trying to sell it, I really stepped back to look at the domain. I let my ethics die away temporarily. I regret it as it was in basd taste and I think I hurt my reputation a bit. The domain is just sitting there and I plan on letting it drop.

That's the thing though: Most (but not all) domainers have a conscience. We do not profit from certain things. In most cases, the 3 biggies are tragedies, sexual exploitation of children & animals, and religion.

This isn't to say, however, that everyone uses an ethical mind. I'm a big Spider-Man fan (call me a geek. I know that I am one) & with the movies, J Jonah Jameson is among the most fun things about them. But his thinking process is sad: Doc Ock went on the loose and Jameson boasted about public reaction and how much news it'd make. And he speaks pretty fondly of it, as he knows it'll gelp him sell more newspapers. It's funny seeing this in the movies because we know that it's just that: a silly character in a fictional film (and comics). But alas, it's not really finny at all when you consider that there reallt are J Jonah Jamesons in this world.

Yes, people are going to profit from these things. The defining this is: Will it be you? Ethics come into play. If a domain carrying a red flag is sitting around, waiting to be registered, will you reg it? Some will, some won't. If you had a credit/debit card (or Paypal with some registrars), you'll be perfectly capable of registering it. But just because it's there doesn't mean that you should take it. We all have the ability of mudering people or raping women. But again: Some do it while others don't. I know that if I ever approached a man who had forced sex on a woman, I'd think of him as an asshole. And tell me, ppl -- everyone in this thread, tell me -- wouldn't you think of him as an asshole, too? I think ethics plays into this with domaining, too: You CAN register domains of this nature but many ppl will see you as an asshole, too.

I am not calling you one and I'm not saying that you are a bad person. But your ideas of business seem rather flawed to me. I've made thousands of dollars ethicly. Many others had, as well. Historically, current-news domains tend to lose traffic after interest wanes. They retain some, dependsing on the levity of the tragedy. But many ppl simply do not see your business model as legit. I know that I could become a hitman. Easy money -- pull a trigger, end a life, cash a $100,000 check. I could. And it'd be easy, assuming I could live with that being on my conscience 24/7/til the day I die. But many would see me as an asshole. That's a keyword in this post: Asshole. It's however you look at it. Sure, you may see nothing wrng with it but many others do. And money is money, true, but many think newspapers and magazines are run by assholes, too. I've seen victims crying their eyes out on TV while cameramen & reporters were fighting tooth-and-nail to get a word with them for the 6 o'clock nws. These ppl are assholes to me and I'm sure many share my sentiments.

Do whatever YOU believe you should. Don't listen to others, just yourself. But if you think that this is the best or the only way to profit in domaining, than it's YOU who is in the wrong business.

I don't see any problem with registering this domain, whether you're an individual, business or charity. I would only ever see a problem with it if they were to "fake" donations, or exploit the situation and trick people into handing over money. For example, if I registered the domain and parked it, what have I done wrong? It's business, someone else is going to do it so why shouldn't I?

The entire domaining business revolves around taking something before someone else then selling it to them at a premium, that's just as unethical as registering this domain, it's exploiting people for money. I have no problem with it, those that say you do are in the wrong business.

Personally, if I'd known about this 'tragedy' as soon as the news broke I'd have registered the domain, put up a link to some latest news articles, status of the search and an explanation of what happened. What's bad about this?
 
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samuelhr's account has been suspended pending a management review. Seems his account was already on suspension from last Summer (as 'squid') http://www.namepros.com/members/80323.html

Let's try to keep this thread on-topic. I'm finding the discussion regarding ethics in domaining to be quite interesting. Discussions about the site's reputation system are better suited for the suggestions area.

- RJ
 
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I find it funny that a company can go register this name to stop squatters getting it but in a month, they'll send air france a huge bill.

It's okay though, they're a corporation with some heart and a good 'cause'
 
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Well, it appears that the registrant is Xenophon Strategies, who lists themselves as a "Strategic communications firm specializing in crisis communications, media relations and public affairs with offices in Washington, DC and San Francisco". Perhaps they're trying to keep it away from squatters

Interesting info. Especially in light of recent, or more aptly the lack of, news regarding the crash.

There's something very fishy about the Air France crash.

How can they not know where the airliner is? I understand there's no radar out in the oceans, but the airline, along with assistance from various governments, should be able to calculate the aircraft's approximate position from the transmissions and other data, including eye witness reports, prior to its disappearance.

Thinking by many is it's either terrorism or some serious structural defect with that type of aircraft; a coverup?

All more the reason for a PR firm, if that's truly what Xenophon Strategies is, to reg it...

Alternatively, all the reason for a domainer to reg it and setup a website to discuss the crash while earning some extra money for the effort.

Ron
 
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I find it funny that a company can go register this name to stop squatters getting it but in a month, they'll send air france a huge bill.

Well, one either does the job themselves or pays another to do it for them.
 
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All this flaming I just couldn't be left out.

You're all a bunch of _________________ and you really like to ______________.

To OP....why did you do a whois search and check out the site? I think you answered your own question.

I don't have a moral problem with profiteers for the most part. I personally steer clear of that thing but that doesn't mean I have the right to judge those that do. Worry about your own domains and your own comfort level instead of what others register and why they do it. If they are charitable with good intentions that's great but if not they are still not breaking any laws by profiting off these type of tragedy domains.
 
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Very interesting how this thread ended up....well here is a real opportunity for any domainer to set a good example:

airfrancemystery.com is available!

According to google trends the search term is rising very quickly....now if any domainer wants to build a website filled with information pertaining to this tragedy that would be a great domain to do it with.

Lets show the world that domainers are not the bottom of the bucket and that we also do have values and ethics ;)

Just a suggestion as I'm sure the domain will be swiped before too long anyhow.
 
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Jesus, how many forum moderators are there here? What do they sell that title in the namepros shop for fiddy NP's or something? THREE IN A ROW ^^
 
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What a fun read that was.

You can't change human nature. It just can't be done.
As with anything, there is a dark and a light to it. Human nature is no different. Profiting off death has been around since word dot and you won't change it. You might want to, but you won't

Human nature is what makes us sit, stuck glued to the screen watching tragedies unfold or the aftermath.
Human nature is what makes some want to profit from it.
Human nature is what makes you answer "it's fine" when asked how your day went, even though your partner just walked out on you and your dog rolled over and died that day.

It can be beautiful as well.

Human nature makes someone risk their life to save someone else
Human nature makes someone want to help his fellow man of woman.
Human nature makes us love hope and strive for a better world.

You can't change it and you almost certainly won't agree with it all the time but it is what it is and it is inherant in all of us.

I don't agree with profiting off death...but that's just my nature.

The only way you could possibly control this type of behaviour and that of typo squating is to have a regulatory body which won't happen either as evidenced by the failure of the DNOA.

I'm glad most of the members here have a social conscience but you can't change what makes the world go round. Just think of it as yin and yang: without the two halves there would be no whole.

BTW...try to change it by all means...just dont get discouraged when not everyone buys into it.

Enough from me...stupid rant over. It's amazing how your mind works after a bad hot air ballooning experience.;):loveyou:
 
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Jesus, how many forum moderators are there here? What do they sell that title in the namepros shop for fiddy NP's or something? THREE IN A ROW ^^
:?

Given the size of NamePros, there are several moderators. And the position isn't given out to just anyone.
 
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I'm a thinking of regging fireflyshotairballoontragedywhenhedranktoomuchandfelloutofthebasket.com now

Either that or give you some neg rep. Hmmm, I hate decisions

lol

L2


ROTFLMFAO:great::snaphappy:

Give me a yell if you do...I'll give you some articles to put on the site. :)
 
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