1st Day Domain Portofolio

[justme78783]

Hello people , have been watching this forum for a while now pretty much every day for the past weeks .

Although i am a beginner in this field , of domain reselling . I am not new in the online business ( having made 2 online ecommerce businesses , and having made a considerable profit and a living via selling online on various marketplaces various physical products ) . So all in all , i have some experience just not for this specific money making online method .

Anyways , anyhow i really want to focus on this industry and here is my portfolio till now .

I have bought around 8 of them , but i will put only the 4 best ( at least what i consider best from what i bought) which i have bought for prices varying between xx $ to xxx $ .

24pkr.com
4mydate.com
itsauctiontime.com
solutionstrading.com

I am not putting the bad ones for obvious reasons ( because i understand now that they are almost worthless ) .

Any feedback would be much appreciated .

Cheers

 

[Nattydomain]

@justme78783...There is a HUGE difference in loving your domains so much you turn a blind eye to advice. Think of it as the same as being in love. Your friends will tell you she is bad news but you dont listen because you are happy and in love and there is NO WAY this women could be so bad.....2 weeks later she left you.....Should have listened

 

[Kate]

Yes, don't fall in love with your domains, cause they can't love you back

 

[Archangel]

Let's be clear: ALL DOMAINS CAN SELL FOR THOUSANDS, no matter how good/bad they are. If you owned ddrrsgtbgrg.info & found someone willing to buy it for a load, then you will sell it for a good sum. That's the thing with domains: you need to find a domain that has potential endusers. Personally, I think you lost all of you money on your portfolio, but it's a game of finding buyers. YOU are not a factor. BUYERS are. Don't look at a domain and ask yourself, "Do I like it?" Ask instead: Would ppl actually pay for this? I do believe you might be able to sell 2 (the apartments and auction domains) for a decent sum... the prob would be finding a buyer. Really, you'd have to find someone willing to pay good $ for apartments-usa.com, but there are better domains out there. So what incetive would ppl have in buying yours? The only one I can think of is if you sold it for dirt-cheap. It's just the issue of finding buyers.

 

[The New Guy]

These 'my domains are awesome and you all suck' appraisal threads happen so regularly I can't tell if it's just a personality type for new domainers or an old troll who enjoys posting the same type of thread at least once a month.

 

[Archangel]

BTW Us domain veterans have been around long enough to know that hyphens hurts a domain terribly. There is value in apartmentsusa.com, but vey little is in the hyphenated version. As well, there is competition ith http://apartmentsusa.com/ -- that more or less kills you domain.

Please do let me know your total turnover and profit from domain purchasing ....

It might not be a domain like buy.com , or claim.com etc. But it definetely has some value and if you dont see it then oh well , that is subjective

 

[matrigaldo]

Dude, you are free to see value on your own domain names as well as others are free to think they don't have any value.
You should doubt your opinion when several domainers (experts and not) tell you your domains are not so good as you think and explain you in a very detailed way WHY they aren't.
You should, yes, but not because they own the universal truth, but because any wise person wouldn't be so sure about anything if 1, 2, 5, 10, everyone keeps telling him that is not like he thought.

Just think "maybe these domains aren't so good as I believe". Maybe. Only maybe, not for sure.
Let's do some more research, keep reading threads here or somewhere else. Guides, blogs, domaining news.
Figure out why someone should buy your domain names instead of any other, or instead registering an available one, figure out if there is something that makes your domains "important" to someone. More important than an available similar.

I think your domain names don't have much reseller value. Maybe just themicrohouse low-mid $xx.
Understanding potential end-user sale value is up to you, who knows.
But, for example, talking about apartments-usa dot com, i think if i was a real-estate business owner i would never use this kind of domain for my business, even for a mirror-site or something. First at all, i would prefer the expression "usa apartments", but still it's too much generic, it's a HUGE market, people don't look for "apartments in USA", more likely for "apartments in Indiana" or "apartments in Indianapolis" (just as example).
Looking for apartments in USA would mean looking for an apartment in Alaska as well as in Texas.

Just my thoughts.

 

[Paul]

It's worth pointing out that "good domain" is a very relative term. Good compared to what? Well, since you're just starting, these are probably not good domains compared to a more experienced domainer's portfolio. Not only do they have more experience, but they've had more time to find good deals and accumulate a more valuable inventory. Even a domain that only sells for $xx can be "good", as long as you make a profit.

One issue with domaining is that the value of a good domain is not intuitive to a newcomer. Domains that sound nice, look nice, or would develop well often don't have much resell value. Domain value decreases drastically with word count: the more words you have, the less valuable the domain. This usually matters more than the length of the domain in characters.

It's easy to get tricked by phrases. You would think that common phrases make for good domains, but they often don't. If they're very short--perhaps two words--then they could be valuable; otherwise, you won't have much luck. The reason is primarily that there are lots of combinations of words still available, even in zones like .com. Why buy a three-word phrase from a reseller when you can hand-register a comparable phrase for much less? The amount of sensible permutations is very large, so it's just not realistic to expect a big profit on domains with more than 1-2 words.

Hyphens are also problematic. It's tempting to register a domain with a hyphen because it's a good phrase with good keywords, but you can't get it without the hyphen for the price you want. Hyphens always decrease the value of a domain name: often, they make a domain worthless. I could give you a long explanation as to why domainers don't like hyphens, but it'd be a mix of common sense and speculation. It's better to just stay away from hyphens as a general rule. There are some exceptions where an hyphenated domain name can actually be worth more than nothing, but they're so rare that it's best to avoid them altogether.

New registrations are long term investments. Once in a blue moon a hand registration will resell quickly for some profit, but more likely than not that will never happen to you. When you register a previously unregistered domain, you should be using keywords and industries that aren't popular now, but that you suspect will be popular in years to come. 3D printing and marijuana are popular examples on NamePros. If you had registered various cloud-related domains years ago, you'd be rolling in some hefty profits right about now. If you hand register a domain, it still has to follow the same rules as other domains to be valuable in the future: you're looking for one or two words, no hyphens, and no numbers (unless relevant).

As an example of a bad domain, I registered mytradebag.com a long time ago. The intent was to develop it for a client, but to this day I wouldn't add it to my domain portfolio. It doesn't have any resell value. (I believe I let it drop.) As an example of a good domain, winetap.co is a decent two-worder, but anything much longer than that would likely need to be one word. Something like ueqy.com might be worth a few bucks, since it's a LLLL.com--those tend to be easy to resell.

 

[ecalc]

... the 4 best ( at least what i consider best from what i bought) which i have bought for prices varying between xx $ to xxx $ .

24pkr.com
4mydate.com
itsauctiontime.com
solutionstrading.com

...

The 4 names quoted were all registered yesterday. You could have cash back from a ten spot buying all 4 at godaddy with a pack of Slim Jims thrown in but you paid $XX to $XXX each? It's time for heads to roll in your purchasing department. Good luck!

 

[The New Guy]

The 4 names quoted were all registered yesterday. You could have cash back from a ten spot buying all 4 at godaddy with a pack of Slim Jims thrown in but you paid $XX to $XXX each? It's time for heads to roll in your purchasing department. Good luck!

Looks like they were all drops, so registration was yesterday, but for the last three the archive first hit them in the 90's.

Just a quick look didn't seem to show anything interesting to make them valuable for parking. Like many here, he may have through old equals valuable. I'm not sure why any of them went for double digits, unless there were others just looking for old domains. I really can't understand why any of them would get into $XXX territory to catch as a drop.

 

[Krisss]

@justme78783, I know it hurts when some1 says that you got sucky names.

Some 8-10 months ago, when I first posted my portfolio I got some reviews saying that my names are worth nothing.

My Intelligence / Ego dint accept it, but I took those reviews sportively at that time.

But over the period of time, after reading a lot here in NP along with experience, I realized that whateva these Pros commented zzz 100% true and frank.

Good Luck Domaining!

 

[Perseusdasilva]

The main question you got to ask is 'why would anyone pay money for this?' Weigh your options. Find end users. If you manage to do that, and sell it, good for you.

If not, Keep an open mind. Shove that ego into your closet. Research. Educate yourself. Read blogs by veterans. About Veterans. Adam Dicker. Rick Schwartz. Frank Schilling. What sells. What does not. Watch aftermarket sales. DnJournal. DomainSherpa. The latest trends. I hope you get my drift.

You're going on and on about it being a learning curve, etc, but if you're not willing to learn then there ain't going to be no curve.

 

[justme78783]

It seems i made an impact lol . n01 thread of the week . Ok people point taken , i do not defy your experience , please dont take it as such . I was just defending the fact that i do still consider them good domains ( note > NOT GREAT but good ... ) , there is a huge difference .

Thank you all for the time you took to reply to my thread , i have read all the replies i promise , and it has helped me a lot .

Just a hypothetical question , assume that i sell them in a package combo or whatever . How much do you think these could fetch for ? Any experienced person ( in advance i say please explain why ) .

P.S I plan to sell them to end users , how ? I still am trying to figure it out .

 

[Perseusdasilva]

Selling them in a package will be next to impossible as you probably wont find an enduser with interests ranging from auctions to poker, etc.

Individually, you start off by finding companies, through google, that use those keywords and contacting them.

Note: when contacting, search for the email contacts via whois and not on the website, as those emails (info@whatever) most often go into their junk mail.

 

[justme78783]

Selling them in a package will be next to impossible as you probably wont find an enduser with interests ranging from auctions to poker, etc.

Individually, you start off by finding companies, through google, that use those keywords and contacting them.

Note: when contacting, search for the email contacts via whois and not on the website, as those emails (info@whatever) most often go into their junk mail.

Yea true indeed . Thanks for the tip , the whois email usually is the personal email of the owner( i think this could make a difference ) . Regards,

 

[Perseusdasilva]

About pricing, with the right end user, you can never tell. I would, however, suggest you read/ learn about negotiating as that is the key to selling your domains for a decent/ good profit.

 

[Kate]

To repeat myself a bit, I think you overpaid for these domains. Personally I wouldn't have paid regfee.
To resell these names while making even a modest profit looks very difficult to me and not worth the effort. I would write this off as learning experience.
Again, I am assuming you bought these names for resale, and not just for personal use. Average domains are ok for personal development, but you need to raise the bar significantly if the intended purpose is to resell domains.

Also, your domains are not taken in any other extension. It's usually a sign.
However, I noticed that these four domains were all registered in the past, and they dropped once or more in the past. That means that at least somebody else thought they would do the job for some little project... but that still doesn't mean these names are good. But you may have other reasons, it's always possible I am missing something.

Good luck !

 

[justme78783]

Your need to repeat yourself is a bit ..... The fact that you commented first with a >they are worthless domains comment < is troubling as well .

For being here for such a long time you would know that they indeed have some value , and your comment is thus misleading .

Currently usaapartments.com is for sale accepting offers starting from 5000 usd.

I am polite but not stupid .

 

[adrianbrand]

RogueWriter

One of the best answers: encouraging, still realistic.

You can make money selling domains and you won't learn until you do it. That doesn't mean you have to skip the learning. Start small and expand as you learn.

At least with only owning 8 domains so far, you are going about this properly. Make your mistakes - and you are going to make some, everyone does - before you spend an outrageous sum for dozens or hundreds of domains.

Having said that, I do not really like these domains a whole lot. Everyone has their own tastes, their own opinions, so that is okay. There will be people here diametrically opposed to anything I have an opinion on, lol, so keep that in mind.

I want domains that are intuitive, that are reasonably short. Personally, I prefer product domains, but there are other niches. No misspellings, no abbreviations that are not commonly used and intuitive, no cybersquatting on a celebs name, etc.

Go after quality over quantity, always.

When I look at a name, I suppose I ask myself two questions. First, would a business use this domain as a professional, income generating front to their business. And two, if not, would this domain lend itself to one of the affiliate programs that I build web sites for.

So, 4mydate is not professional enough, using '4' lacks a professional look imo. 24pkr is short, and people might understand that pkr=poker. Oddly enough, when I first saw it, my mind blurted out '24 packer' and you don't even want to know where that thought was headed, lol. SolutionsTrading.com does not flow well for me. TradingSolutions.com flows great, and I could do something with it. But SolutionsTrading doesn't flow for me, it lacks intuitiveness. itsauctiontime.com might be useful for a blog, or maybe as an auction sniper script. It might have some potential if you can find a buyer in the auction sniping niche, or build the site out yourself if you have the skill. I do not think this is worth much money, though. If available, I would not reg it, simply because I think there are other more valuable domains to pick up, and this one is going to require a lot of effort before I got a return.

So of the four, the only one that I nominally like would be the auction one.

One last thing to keep in mind, time after time we see domains where absolutely no one likes that somehow the owner manages to sell for decent money anyway. Our opinions are only that, although a lot of the members here are rather smart players in this industry - if they say it is a bad domain, well, by the odds.....

You might consider biding your time, looking at posts carefully, then spending some money on a quality domain that is for sale here on namepros, rather than registering a couple dozen new domains. A lot of times you can find people willing to sell domains at reasonable prices here.

 

[4pm]

that's ok for 1st day. all of them. just dont renew any.
mine were all worse, much worse.. good luck

 

[johname]

Currently usaapartments.com is for sale accepting offers starting from 5000 usd.

When you flip the order and toss in a hyphen the value goes down exponetially.

Add in the 'Locate an Appartment' website sector is very mature.

Then add that an enduser with real money to spend would rather go brandable or pony up for keyword domain thats more pleasing to one's eyes and mind, Like the usaapartments.com

Which leaves your most likely 'enduser' a lone click or affiliate website builder, wordpress jockey type. These people know the game well. They 'low ball' you and their ceiling not very far from their offer. The margins are often small to zero unless you are in them for first year regfee.

Also think about who is selling you the domains. An experienced domainer? Chances are high they emailed the world trying to peddled them off first and now its dump time. In other words they tested the domains for sellablity and click traffic before they sold them to you.

It doesnt take too long to get the feel for such things if one is open to it.

I suggest selling one name before buying another. There sell side knowlege too that needs to be learned.
Goodluck