.co .CO - The Discussion, Showcase and Sales Report Thread

Shaun Lun said:

Yeah, buy it and you won’t be able to list it. Funny. I bought VMR and could not list it for sale at GD. Lol

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Yes but that has beeen explained bij the Godaddy-staff.

You can try to sell it elsewhere untill Godaddy solves this problem.

John Napoletano said:

Sorry but I don't believe you. It appears to be a form validation issue which shouldn't take long to fix. The form submits a .co domain name. Your validation script checks if it's a 'premium' .co name. So your form already knows (1) it's a .co, (2) it's flagged premium by the registry.

All you need to do is skip the premium check for .co and standard renewal extensions.

if ( not .co AND premium) { error }

- OR -

if ( not standard renewal AND premium) { error }

Meaning if it's a .co or standard renewal don't throw the error or ignore it. I'm sure your guys can do that in one line of code since the form submission script already knows its a .co domain name. The hard work is already done. The fact that existing domains are not kicked off the site and process as normal suggests that it's ok to list and process. Unless you are telling me any 'premium' purchases will not process payment and transfer? You are just blocking .co from being submitted.

Low prices don't create loyalty nor brand equity. Fixing community issues does.

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No it is a very complex issue and one that will require much more than a line of code to fix. As I stated above this impacts our revenue as well and will be fixed but it will not be in the next few weeks.

Joe Styler said:

No it is a very complex issue and one that will require much more than a line of code to fix. As I stated above this impacts our revenue as well and will be fixed but it will not be in the next few weeks.

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sounds good

when you know about whether the prem .co listings already listed before will remain there and not get kicked out in meantime, by 90day cycle or other ways.. plz let us know here

also, I hope you can post a quick post here once you do fix it all and allow .co prem listings on auctions later on.

ty

I have

lawlegal.co
Offm.co

alcy said:

sounds good

when you know about whether the prem .co listings already listed before will remain there and not get kicked out in meantime, by 90day cycle or other ways.. plz let us know here

also, I hope you can post a quick post here once you do fix it all and allow .co prem listings on auctions later on.

ty

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Sorry for the delay I haven't been on namepros for a little bit. We did check, on the names we watched they stayed listed after 90 days.
I will post when we update the listings to allow premium .co domains.

Small observation on the premium tier of registry domains...

I've noticed that for some one-word and two-word domains, the registry are trialling prices beyond the usual $65, $130, $350, $650 and $1300. (The higher end is mostly applied to reserved LLL.co).

One example: SpringBreak.co is priced at $3250 on Namecheap and $3125 on Name.com
It would be interesting to know what's driving their pricing strategy and how it might evolve. In this example, there is a previous sale in 2010 for $1101. There's also a history of comparable sales in other extensions, such as springbreak.de and springbreak.eu.

If their approach is sophisticated, they might have this Namebio data plugged into their pricing algorithm. Alternatively, they may be running pricing tests against various batches of domains to find a sweet spot for yield (price vs sell-through-rate).

Nikul Sanghvi said:

Small observation on the premium tier of registry domains...

I've noticed that for some one-word and two-word domains, the registry are trialling prices beyond the usual $65, $130, $350, $650 and $1300. (The higher end is mostly applied to reserved LLL.co).

One example: SpringBreak.co is priced at $3250 on Namecheap and $3125 on Name.com
It would be interesting to know what's driving their pricing strategy and how it might evolve. In this example, there is a previous sale in 2010 for $1101. There's also a history of comparable sales in other extensions, such as springbreak.de and springbreak.eu.

If their approach is sophisticated, they might have this Namebio data plugged into their pricing algorithm. Alternatively, they may be running pricing tests against various batches of domains to find a sweet spot for yield (price vs sell-through-rate).

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ty
good points.

I have similar curiosities to find out about .co tier pricings. including if their lists are constant are flactuating in time .. what do you think? for instance, do u think .co removes already prem priced names in future.. or adds new ones not yet there now.. in future?

they can also take into account things like how old the domain is.. and then if somoene does not renew it.. they may price as premium... based on age > X years. etc...

since you were/are big on selling .co names.. may I ask if you now plan to renew more .co names than you may have in past iwthout premium pricing? or you feel comfortable droping even those names which you now for fact (we can of coure check it easily) .co will price as premium after you drop them.. do you think twice about these things now?

I know you already talked on the subject before.. but maybe your thinking evolves in time and changes.

I for one believe that I may renew more .co names now.. not just premium ones... but also non premium... as I said for some time now before.. .co will get many more renewals overall out of this tier price strategy. I think we can all say thats a fact.

cheers.

alcy said:

may I ask if you now plan to renew more .co names than you may have in past iwthout premium pricing? or you feel comfortable droping even those names which you now for fact (we can of coure check it easily) .co will price as premium after you drop them.. do you think twice about these things now?

I know you already talked on the subject before.. but maybe your thinking evolves in time and changes.

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No worries @alcy - no change for me at the moment, everything I said below still stands. The registry picks up almost everything that I drop. I'm less concerned with what they do and more interested in the risk:reward calculation of holding costs (versus propensity to sell and/or price actual end-users are willing to pay).

Nikul Sanghvi said:

Regarding renewals, I don't think I will hold onto substantially more domains because of this. If I picked up a domain for $4 and wouldn't renew it for $23, the same logic still applies. What has changed, is my ability to refill inventory with similar quality of domains at those discounted rates. It still doesn't make me want to pay $23 for a domain that I was planning to drop. My investment in a domain is based on it's propensity to sell, so I don't see any major changes in that. I think I'll renew an additional 5% of .co inventory as a result of the changes.
I do think twice about what I drop, but I don't hold onto a domain just because I already have it. It's only worth renewing, if I think it's worth the renewal cost and has a good chance at selling. I have different expectations on a $1 reg and a $23 renewal. It's not worth renewing just because my replenishment costs have increased to restock the portfolio. I always think about the opportunity cost of the renewal fees. I also ask myself if I would hypothetically buy that domain from another domainer at the renewal price.

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Starting from @Nikul Sanghvi SpringBreak.co domain, I did a little search this Friday, but I was unable to find any logic in their pricing. The following domains are available for "reg fee"

jov.co - $600 (57 TLDs taken)
gkl.co - $1,200 (66 TLDs taken)
gpz.co - $3,000 (64 TLDs taken)

ntnl.co - $10,99 (21 TLDs taken)
jkpg.co - $120 (25 TLDs taken)
lrfl.co - $120 (10 TLDs taken)

lovepower.co -$10.99 (18 TLDs taken)
loveapp.co - $10.99 (28 TLDs taken)
lovehub.co - $120 (23 TLDs taken)
feelthelove.co - $6000 - ???? (26 TLDs taken)

talentspring.co - $1,200 (11 TLDs taken)
springbreak.co - $3,000 (73 TLDs taken)


Estibot and GoDaddy valuations:

gpz.co
Estibot valuation = $ 1,500
GoDaddy valuation = $877

springbreak.co
Estibot valuation = $ 2,500
GoDaddy valuation = $ 2,552

feelthelove.co
Estibot valuation = less than $ 100
GoDaddy valuation = $783

aiclub.co

Nikul Sanghvi said:

Small observation on the premium tier of registry domains... I've noticed that for some one-word and two-word domains, the registry are trialling prices beyond the usual $65, $130, $350, $650 and $1300. (The higher end is mostly applied to reserved LLL.co).

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pinkdragon said:

Starting from @Nikul Sanghvi SpringBreak.co domain, I did a little search this Friday, but I was unable to find any logic in their pricing.

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Their only *LOGIC* lately is *GREED*, they are going the .XYZ way, reserving everything other than shit as registry premium domains. I used to regularly register a lot of .CO names myself but now find that all names with *some* potential are priced at a minimum of $120. And someone does it manually since few names slip through the cracks. All 4L.co similarly $120 or $300 and all 3L.co a minimum of $1100. Similarly, all one-word .CO even as high as $6000. Either there's been a change in their management or some super cheapskate has joined their registry and been entrusted with the job of marking 'Premium' domains.

GoWebnames.com said:

Their only *LOGIC* lately is *GREED*, they are going the .XYZ way, reserving everything other than sh*t as registry premium domains. I used to regularly register a lot of .CO names myself but now find that all names with *some* potential are priced at a minimum of $120. And someone does it manually since few names slip through the cracks. All 4L.co similarly $120 or $300 and all 3L.co a minimum of $1100. Similarly, all one-word .CO even as high as $6000. Either there's been a change in their management or some super cheapskate has joined their registry and been entrusted with the job of marking 'Premium' domains.

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not much different from domainers being greedy and listing domains for thousands of dollars.

wormfood said:

not much different from domainers being greedy and listing domains for thousands of dollars.

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All businesses are driven by profit. The registries profit *most* when their *most* domains are registered and renewed annually. The domainers help the registries survive by registering and renewing 1000s of names for every few names that end up being sold successfully. So, in that sense, while domaining is a risky business, a registry is an assured business. There should be a limit on registry reserving names as premium ones because otherwise it stands to lose its most loyal customer base slowly. Never kill the Golden Goose !!

GoWebnames.com said:

All businesses are driven by profit. The registries profit *most* when their *most* domains are registered and renewed annually. The domainers help the registries survive by registering and renewing 1000s of names for every few names that end up being sold successfully. So, in that sense, while domaining is a risky business, a registry is an assured business. There should be a limit on registry reserving names as premium ones because otherwise it stands to lose its most loyal customer base slowly. Never kill the Golden Goose !!

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Lol domainers are not loyal. Most can't afford to be loyal, because they don't have a strategy that allows them to be profitable without constantly begging for registration promos. People have mentioned not renewing their .cos, here's one:

indiegrind said:

I started testing out .co last year. I might buy a couple hundred at a time when there is a great sale going on for like a few bucks. Then hold them for a year. I don't renew them though because of the renewal costs.

They have done very well for me, but I wouldn't be holding them for 3x the renewal fee of a .com.


In the last two years, I've invested less than $1,000 in .co(again with sales only), but have done about $15,000 in .co sales.(correction my investment has actually been about $1200 in .co's.)

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If there's a promo for .co one year, then yeah, a ton get registered. Then eventually most of those drop..And if there are no more promos the next year, goodbye "loyalty".

Real users are the loyal ones. If an end user pays a $500 premium reg fee, aren't they likely to renew it for just $20 the next year? Especially if they've started their project on it.

If the .co registry had a good pricing model, their best domains wouldn't look as ridiculous, as compared to how domainers would price them. A lot of the time, domainer prices have no rhyme or reason, so an end user could look up a random .co and wonder why it's priced at $5200. Or the registry could price it more reasonably at $750, based on data they have, and cut out the useless domainer.

It seems like it would be a BAD thing to rely on domainers to survive. There should be a good amount of real usage in a TLD, and the renewals from the users should sustain it.

like was said before.. its just greed and business pure and simple.. they want a pice of the pay... they know what .co names used to sell for by domainers.. and there were many sales for .co cause it was doing pretty good.. and a lot of 4 figure sales too..

so of course they prefer to sell those names for 3-4 figures themselves.. rather than have domainers reg them for $10... and in most cases not even renew them... and just repeat the reg/drop cycle..

imo this does more or less spell the slow but sure end of .co domainer sales.. as it seems .co will be pricing most of what is worth owning for us... at premium.... doesn't take genius to figure out from this point on we'll be seeing many less namebio/domainer .co sales.. not today or tomorrow.. but maybe starting in a year or so.. which of course does not have anything to do with popularity of .co with endusers.. in fact with these new pricings, .co may become (and probably will) even more popular with endusers.. due to availability of more names at (generally) lower prices.. than from domainers.

this is why I aksed here before if people are thinking twice before dropping their premium names now.. and maybe will renew them. and I guess many will think twice.

wormfood said:

not much different from domainers being greedy and listing domains for thousands of dollars.

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But the registry playing against end users (all of them, not just speculators) is a totally different level. Just think of what Verisign have done with .tv and would do in .com if they were allowed to.
I think this is unhealthy, and even ethically dubious.
The domain ecosystem needs some certainty and stability. If the registries are allowed to dry up the pool of domain names or change pricing at will, it causes disruption.
That applies to registrars as well. Competing against your own customers is problematic and bound to cause conflicts of interests. I am happy to be out of .co.

Kate said:

But the registry playing against end users (all of them, not just speculators) is a totally different level. Just think of what Verisign have done with .tv and would do in .com if they were allowed to.
I think this is unhealthy, and even ethically dubious.
The domain ecosystem needs some certainty and stability. If the registries are allowed to dry up the pool of domain names or change pricing at will, it causes disruption.
That applies to registrars as well. Competing against your own customers is problematic and bound to cause conflicts of interests. I am happy to be out of .co.

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there were/are still many .co sales going on.. for many people... so it was/is still certainly and intereating investment.. that can pay to domainers. some did extremely well and based their whole domaining strategy around .co..

like I said above, I beleive this will all come to an end for domainers.. in a year or so.. slow and steady decline... for us domainers. imo

wormfood said:

not much different from domainers being greedy and listing domains for thousands of dollars.

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Have to disagree on this one. The registry doesn't have to pay holding fees like domainers do. Of course they do have business expenses but they will make a profit whereas domainers have no guarantee of that.

# Slipped through the cracks
Pokie /\/ co
Slang for #Poker
.COM sold for $40,000

Nikul Sanghvi said:

One example: SpringBreak.co is priced at $3250 on Namecheap and $3125 on Name.com
It would be interesting to know what's driving their pricing strategy and how it might evolve...such as springbreak.de and springbreak.eu.

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I would assume a GoDaddy like appraisal tool is in effect until someone gets real info about it. Reason being that GoDaddy seems to be their biggest selling partner.

The GoDaddy tool favors word count (1, 2, 3) and number of characters (3,4...20) within groups of tld/cctld and some generalization of keywords (red, green, blue). The tool does not appear to look at CPC, search volume, and comparison to .com directly.

A modified rosner equation with 10% cctld factor:

135,000 searches x 2% conv x $2.11 cpc x 12mo x 3yr x 10% cctld = $20,000+

Source data from the .com appraisal:
https://www.estibot.com/appraise?a=get&id=7941932&domain=springbreak.com&source=appraise

Registry view:
http://www.go.co/register/?domain=springbreak

GoDaddy Appraisal:
https://www.godaddy.com/domain-valu...kAvail=1&tmskey=&domainToCheck=SpringBreak.co

Name.com $3,125
https://www.name.com/domain/search/springbreak.co

GoDaddy $3,249
https://www.godaddy.com/domainsearch/find?checkAvail=1&tmskey=&domainToCheck=caddo.co

NameBio "springbreak" starts with...
https://namebio.com/?s==YTN4ADN5gTM

Zhongguo dot co

China in Chinese.

Tiered '''Renewal''' pricing history? .CO and .XYZ suggest that's the case.

Some good news. I just took a few moments to look around and found that XYZ appears to have moved away from tiered 'renewals' towards this same .CO premium upfront with standard renewals. Who was first, and who is following next I don't know. Maybe someone else can find others doing this and share to gain comfort in the trend.

"Buy It Now" .xyz premiums with $10 renewals!
What's the deal? Domains in these three tiers have a premium price the first year, but renew at XYZ's standard, always affordable, low-cost of $10.
https://gen.xyz/premiums

asia.xyz $3,249 / $14.99
https://www.godaddy.com/domainsearch/find?checkAvail=1&tmskey=&domainToCheck=asia.xyz

Please look for linkable facts from the sources -- registries and registrars. Correct people as often as you can here on NamePros or else the confusion will go viral and kill your investments. And beware of those who are purposefully trying to kill your investments!

This post from 2016 might yield some perspective...

DanSanchez said:

Well it's confirmed, the .CO registry regards domainers as "squatters."

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Re: Namecheap 18% birthday promo - the discounts don't apply on 'premium' .CO domains...

... so that's pretty much everything worth renewing

What are LLL.co's currently selling for?

I just bought this one for USD $110, thought I got a bargain

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