.co .CO - The Discussion, Showcase and Sales Report Thread

[ZOX]

Well, it seems like Colombia will be releasing .CO to the internet market:
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http://www.mincomunicaciones.gov.co...ge=./mods/contenido/noticia_user_view&id=1043
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This could truly be a big competitor to .COM (especially being a "typo").
I would say with proper guidance .CO could REALLY have a bright future!
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Let me know your thoughts please.

 

[Domainstore]

Most domains that dropped are now 120 $ to register (with 23 renewal or so), even
for domains that aren't interesting at all.
For me this is propostrous.The whole question is if these domains will be sold with such a high price to begin with.
Other (new) domains you register are the regular pricing (not highly promotional for the moment).

The birthdaypromotion a month ago, was proably only to get as much registrations by domainers, and in a year from now if they don't get renewed, "poefff" => They'll cost 120 $ to register or reregister (once they come out of redemption and reservation status).
You'll have to be very sure about a domain before you buy it (new domains I mean at normal pricing or promotionpricing), that you will renew it in a year or sell within the year.

I'm not sure if the registry will keep on going to keep this policy.

When you do a search at dynadot, it isn't even mentioned that these dropped domains are "registry premium domains"(although they do mention the renewal price at 22 or 23 USD).

 

[Joe Styler]

You wouldn't be breaking any rules but you still wouldn't be able to list them on GD through AN. AN names coming into GD hit the same checks as when you try and list them yourself. So for the time being at least you can list on AN but those name will not show as for sale on GD. Also it is probably worth pointing out if you remove the existing listings and try and re-list them they won't work. So say you have a non base tier name listed now prior to Sept 1 and it is live on the auction. If you were to pull it off to say re-price in bulk you can't relist it.
We will do some work to allow listings for non base tier .co at some point in the future but I have no eta at the moment.

 

[John Napoletano]

...We will do some work to allow listings for non base tier .co at some point in the future but I have no eta at the moment

@Joe Styler what does "in the future" mean, 1 week, 1 month, 1 year?

223 .CO sales in the last 30 days most from GoDaddy but the higher priced ones on Sedo. The .CO market is hot right now - with help from this community - and you just kicked us the community in the teeth after helping to boost your sales. We can't list or sell on the largest marketplace for .CO according to NameBio.
https://namebio.com/?s==cDO5kTO1gTM

Did GoDaddy purposely create code to block 'Premium' flagged domains from being listed by independent domainers? Are partner registrars still allowed to list premium .CO? Did you sign a contract with .CO to block us? Did your programmer screw up? Why are you not fixing it NOW? Is it going to take longer than 1 month?

 

[bluebox]

are you guys still regging .co these days?

I don't even bother checking expireddomains anymore. Whatever scraps we are left with are barely worth $1 let alone normal reg fee (at least for me)

One name I got at closeouts on 25th (2 weeks ago) shows "Expired domain ready on: 2018/09/02" but still nothing.
Updated on 5th (it was transfered from Domainmonster on that day I think), status: ok, transferPeriod
Expires: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 ???

 

[John Napoletano]

I don't even bother checking expireddomains anymore.

If it's not a GoDaddy registered expired domain the chances of you getting it are much lower. It's been said by others that partner registrars 'game the system' to test for bids then pull them back during redemption. Then hide behind whois guard.

The whois at least should tell you if it's a GoDaddy or partner registrar domain. But who is going to look up every one?

I lost two registered by NameCheap last week listed on GoDaddy Auctions. Won two registered by GoDaddy. I think the community push here needs to be to tell GoDaddy to put an icon or label alongside the name telling us if it falls under the new GoDaddy guarantee (G) GoDaddy held or (P) Partner Registrar.

What good is a guarantee if you can't SEE it on the product label?

ShortNames.com does it and GoDaddy can't?

If a partner wants to give me the same guarantee that's great. Give them a (G) to mean Guarantee.

 

[creataweb]

Sharing a sale here:​

https://www.namepros.com/posts/6886273/

 

[John Napoletano]

I was checking a few singular/plural combo's I had and noticed on go.co that pixie.co was available. I typed that into GoDaddy and $324.99 "Premium Domain" came up. Estimated Value $1,778.

The pricing vs the estimated value is interesting. I would have registered the domain name for the standard fee. I will not pay the premium price for this one though.

I'm thinking that total .CO tld counts will drop. Sales on Sedo hopefully will continue to be good.

If the tld count was 2.3 million say on Sept 1st any predictions for next year?

 

[Joe Styler]

@Joe Styler what does "in the future" mean, 1 week, 1 month, 1 year?

223 .CO sales in the last 30 days most from GoDaddy but the higher priced ones on Sedo. The .CO market is hot right now - with help from this community - and you just kicked us the community in the teeth after helping to boost your sales. We can't list or sell on the largest marketplace for .CO according to NameBio.
https://namebio.com/?s==cDO5kTO1gTM

Did GoDaddy purposely create code to block 'Premium' flagged domains from being listed by independent domainers? Are partner registrars still allowed to list premium .CO? Did you sign a contract with .CO to block us? Did your programmer screw up? Why are you not fixing it NOW? Is it going to take longer than 1 month?

Right now I can only say in the future as I don't have a time frame. It will probably be months though and not weeks. It is quite a bit of work on our end to redo the way that the Aftermarket works to allow the .co names to be listed that are not base tier. This impacts everyone in the same manner, partners, customers and ourselves. We have a very good .co portfolio which is equally impacted as none of the names we own are base tier.
If you have names listed already they will not be pulled down, but you cannot list new names and you cannot reprice existing listings or they will be pulled down as they go through checks at that time which will fail.
It is important for us to fix but it is not an easy fix and there are other projects being worked on we cannot stop mid stream and need to wait until they are completed to work on this. We are doing the best we can to resolve this.

 

[alcy]

Right now I can only say in the future as I don't have a time frame. It will probably be months though and not weeks. It is quite a bit of work on our end to redo the way that the Aftermarket works to allow the .co names to be listed that are not base tier. This impacts everyone in the same manner, partners, customers and ourselves. We have a very good .co portfolio which is equally impacted as none of the names we own are base tier.
If you have names listed already they will not be pulled down, but you cannot list new names and you cannot reprice existing listings or they will be pulled down as they go through checks at that time which will fail.
It is important for us to fix but it is not an easy fix and there are other projects being worked on we cannot stop mid stream and need to wait until they are completed to work on this. We are doing the best we can to resolve this.

for exisitng listings.. what do you mean we cannot reprice? we cannot change sale type (from say makeoffer only to bin only).. or we cannot even say change min price on a makeoffer only listing?

or do you simply mean we cannot modify anything whatsoever.. cause that triggers recheck.

I understand that your system will not kick these out when it renews the 90 day relist cycle?

ty

 

[Joe Styler]

The listings that are 90 days should not be knocked out when they re-list for 90 days. When I say reprice I mean a BIN price. Many people who re-price remove all the listings in bulk and then re-upload the list for sale with new pricing. That will count as a new listing and that will not allow the premium tier names to list. I do not think that adjusting your min offer price on an existing listing will impact that listing. I do think that changing the sale type might pull that listing down. I didn't try either of those last two so that is my best guess knowing how the back end system works but until it is tested live I do not know. I don't have an easy way to test that right right now, but I can ask someone to give it a try on a couple names we own and see what happens if that would help.

 

[alcy]

The listings that are 90 days should not be knocked out when they re-list for 90 days. When I say reprice I mean a BIN price. Many people who re-price remove all the listings in bulk and then re-upload the list for sale with new pricing. That will count as a new listing and that will not allow the premium tier names to list. I do not think that adjusting your min offer price on an existing listing will impact that listing. I do think that changing the sale type might pull that listing down. I didn't try either of those last two so that is my best guess knowing how the back end system works but until it is tested live I do not know. I don't have an easy way to test that right right now, but I can ask someone to give it a try on a couple names we own and see what happens if that would help.

ok thanks.

well I think I speak for more thna just me if I say that itd be nice to find out more or less exactly what would be the ways in which our existing premium .co names would end up being rmeoved from auctions. given that we cannot list any new ones any more, I think most/all would definitely like to keep the ones that are already there and not see them removed.

at this stage it seems you are not 100% certain if they'll be kicked out during the 90day relist cycle. if you can confirm they will be, then obviously there is no need to inquire about other ways to get kicked out. if you find out they will not be, then yes plz try to get some info what we should do not or not do to see them stay there.


ty

 

[alcy]

Right now I can only say in the future as I don't have a time frame. It will probably be months though and not weeks. It is quite a bit of work on our end to redo the way that the Aftermarket works to allow the .co names to be listed that are not base tier. This impacts everyone in the same manner, partners, customers and ourselves. We have a very good .co portfolio which is equally impacted as none of the names we own are base tier.
If you have names listed already they will not be pulled down, but you cannot list new names and you cannot reprice existing listings or they will be pulled down as they go through checks at that time which will fail.
It is important for us to fix but it is not an easy fix and there are other projects being worked on we cannot stop mid stream and need to wait until they are completed to work on this. We are doing the best we can to resolve this.

in my humble opinion, as operators of your own site, you should be able to bypass this restrictions internally and allow yourselves to list premium .co names that belong to you.

for any administrator of a site, this should be relatively easy to do as a one time exception. even when removing restrictions for all of us, as you say, would be too time consuming.

when done internally, I am sure godaddy can bypass all restrictions and limitations.. for their own domains. because when done internally, you are basically God.

so perhaps your worries about your own .co names are unjustified. and indeed your team plans to list it all internally. I think its a fair possibility.

 

[bluebox]

It looks like Namesilo adds ~$1 for every transfer/renewal of premium names...

So much for not changing prices - registrars will do whatever they want...

 

[alcy]

It looks like Namesilo adds ~$1 for every transfer/renewal of premium names...

So much for not changing prices - registrars will do whatever they want...

thanks for info

nobody really cares about $1... at least I don't.
but $10... is a very different story.

cheers

 

[bluebox]

nobody really cares about $1... at least I don't.

I guess it's less about the amount and more about the fact that registries can (and probably will) charge more for premiums - it's $1 right now but what guarantee do we have that they won't get more greedy eventually

 

[alcy]

I guess it's less about the amount and more about the fact that registries can (and probably will) charge more for premiums - it's $1 right now but what guarantee do we have that they won't get more greedy eventually

true..but i think some just took this new tier pricing from co opportunity to increase prices..so i dont think theyll do it periodically.. cause co wont be doing it periodically..

i think 1$ is neglible.. but something like 10$ is just taking advantage of people and greed.

 

[DomainBarracksRob]

Just won winning bid on GD expiring

BLOCK /////////////////// CLOUD

///CO

com , io ( redirects "autonomics/io) ) and hyphenated io all developed

 

[BRANDERX]

looks like Vegas.co sold twice at the same price

http://www.dnjournal.com/archive/domainsales/2018/20180919.htm
https://namebio.com/vegas.co

 

[alcy]

i am thinking of creating a seperate thread exclusively for showcasing our premium .co names.

it will be only for that.. and some discussions of them.. and would not be mergable with this thread.

that thread could also potentially discuss things such as.. asking other domainers if your premium names are worth renewing or not (cause obviously not all premium names are worth renewing.. and some non premium names are definitely worth renewing... etc)... 100 heads are better than one

not to clutter this thread with comments about this idea.. perhaps you can press dislike or like depending if you'd be joining/posting your names on such a thread. thanks!

 

[John Napoletano]

... it is not an easy fix...

Sorry but I don't believe you. It appears to be a form validation issue which shouldn't take long to fix. The form submits a .co domain name. Your validation script checks if it's a 'premium' .co name. So your form already knows (1) it's a .co, (2) it's flagged premium by the registry.

All you need to do is skip the premium check for .co and standard renewal extensions.

if ( not .co AND premium) { error }

- OR -

if ( not standard renewal AND premium) { error }

Meaning if it's a .co or standard renewal don't throw the error or ignore it. I'm sure your guys can do that in one line of code since the form submission script already knows its a .co domain name. The hard work is already done. The fact that existing domains are not kicked off the site and process as normal suggests that it's ok to list and process. Unless you are telling me any 'premium' purchases will not process payment and transfer? You are just blocking .co from being submitted.

Low prices don't create loyalty nor brand equity. Fixing community issues does.

 

[John Napoletano]

i am thinking of creating a seperate thread exclusively for showcasing our premium .co names...asking other domainers if your premium names are worth renewing...

I would like to suggest that you just list a DIY bullet points here. Reason being that 'premium' .co over $300 don't sell well on NamePros for example (correct me if I'm wrong). So listing here won't reach the retail buyer. Listing on Sedo.com will since we now can't list on GoDaddy. And sedo lists .co tld high up in the rankings for keyword search.

To renew or not you can start with:

• GoDaddy valuation above $500
• Estibot valuation above ?
• Companies use the name today (not a TM, generic words)
• Companies use a two+ word name of which you have the one word upgrade
• Keyword volume above x
• CPC estimate above $0.3
• NameBio other tld sales including .co.uk, .co.xx
• One good word or two very solid words max
• Brandable if not a keyword

It's the same as .com and other tld but your buy and sell expectations are lower. And you don't buy everything you see! Modify the ROSENER EQUATION to end with 10% or 20% depending on the market just normal vs hot crypto for example.

ROSENER EQUATION with added E for ccTLD use:

Domain Name Valuation = A x B x C x D x E
where:
A = Exact-match monthly search volume (estibot)
B = Average CPC (estibot)
C = Click-through rate (1-5% by experience with PPC product/keyword match)
D = Payback period (12-60 months [1-5 years])
E = % of .COM value (10-20%)

Everyone should know this equation not to value every single domain but it's a need to know regardless. It's meant for 'keyword' domains not brandables. I run this in excel against all my domains as a check vs estibot and godaddy valuations. If you think the monthly search volume and CPC are wrong compare it to another tool. Estibot and GoDaddy don't always split words the right way for example, US vs Global, language, etc.

Of course the number of bidders and your personal buy/sell strategy are equally important.

 

[alcy]

is anyone else here wondering if .co list of premium names is like a set in stone thing.. a constant.. or more like an ever changing and variable list? to which they add or remove from as they please and when they please... I guess logic dictates its the latter... but.. it'd be nice if it was the former.

 

[John Napoletano]

...ever changing and variable list?...

Probably an automated script that bulk reports or on the fly identifies which domains could fetch an above average price if sold today (at the time the script is run). The registry then decides how many to flag as premium -- what rules to apply, 3 chars, one word, value above $300, etc.

The GoDaddy valuation tool has a premium indicator. I am guessing at this point that if you were to drop such a name, it would be reserved by the registry upon drop. Then held by the registry for resale with a profit share on GoDaddy for example.

Borders.co indicates premium, check yours too.
https://www.godaddy.com/domain-value-appraisal/appraisal/?domainToCheck=borders.co

I wouldn't be surprised if someone like GoDaddy is providing this premium valuation/identification service to .CO registry and maybe to others in the future. The market is changing, so we have to pay attention to things like this.

 

[noonoo1]

Lol,

I can see vxo.co has dropped, it has a premium registration price of $1,300

 

[LamsuanlunT]

I can see vxo.co has dropped, it has a premium registration price of $1,300

Yeah, buy it and you won’t be able to list it. Funny. I bought VMR and could not list it for sale at GD. Lol