discuss Generally...Are New gTLD's Becoming Mainstream?

Silentptnr · Jan 25, 2018

I think there is progress!

Couple of large sales suggest that people may be getting used to the new gTLD's.

Do you agree?

Lox · Jan 26, 2018

JB Lions said:
There's hope and hype

Hope for dot Com & hype for dot Web. The dot Web is there to serve the purpose. As the King Verisign need to feed shareholders we're about to start paying more for dot Com and less for dot Web. Coming soon.

JB Lions · Jan 26, 2018

lolwarrior said:
There are 2 main reasons imo why new gTLD sales are publicly reported in lesser extend atm, comparing to legacy extension sales, and why my guesstimate is that 95% are unreported:

a) competition is atm huge - people are backordering, dropcatching and trading good new gTLD names massively. By good names in this context I mean: good name PLUS reasonable renewal.

b) when new gTLD investor (private person) make larger sale, they usually think twice if to go public. If you do not understand why, read comments by some 'experts', usually anonymous profiles, towards buyers of new gTLDs, mainly when sale is larger - it is lot of transhing and lot of trolling, name calling, buyers are 'advised' to buy only legacy extensions, sales are called fake, etc. Personally I decided not to report ANY of my sales until there is a change of this - I do not want to report it and then have my buyers reading some troll comments. It is not necessary and I am sure many new gTLDs investors decided the same.

Registries are in different position - it is their business after all, and they should inform about larger sales as much as possible, as it directly supports their further business. But private investors have almost no incentive to report anything. As what would they get in return ? Trashing of their buyers by couple of profiles in the forums, so called 'experts' , and competition knowing what sells and registering quickly similar names in the niche. And what positive new gTLD sellers can get, maybe some ego boost? No thanks, I guess it is reasonable to pass that for now

You report for the same reason you said for registries, further your business. New gtlds need all the help they can get. It looks much worse when people talk of sales but don't back it up, that's where what you call "trashing" comes in, when it's just pointing out reality. There are like 2 or 3 people here that push new gtlds, that literally have sold 0 domains in their life. The reality is these sales are probably very small, that's why they/you don't want to talk about them, because it wouldn't be a good look. So you can keep up sort of an illusion that business is good. If they were big sales, of course they would be reported. That could only help. You yourself were getting excited when these big new gtld sales were reported.

https://www.namepros.com/threads/ne...300-000-club-aftershock.1061924/#post-6541103

"But private investors have almost no incentive to report anything. As what would they get in return ?"

Again, same reason you gave for registries. The incentive for you posting sales, is getting more sales. If you show you're getting good sales, that might inspire people to buy your other new gtlds.

This also doesn't hold up:
"and competition knowing what sells and registering quickly similar names in the niche."

You can simply look at the sales that do get reported and figure that out. It's no secret 1 word.new gtlds dominate the sale charts. Even before these came out, you should be able to figure out the obvious, words that make sense going together, in the right order etc. There is no super secret in what's selling.

Brands.International · Jan 27, 2018

"You can simply look at the sales that do get reported and figure that out. It's no secret 1 word.new gtlds dominate the sale charts. Even before these came out, you should be able to figure out the obvious, words that make sense going together, in the right order etc. There is no super secret in what's selling"

Here I can agree

The rest of the argument as why private investors you think should report - I am definitely not of the same opinion and maintain that it is more reasonable to keep buyers safe from troll remarks, comparing to ego boost of the sellers here at forum. But it is ok to have different opinions.

JB Lions · Jan 27, 2018

lolwarrior said:
The rest of the argument as why private investors you think should report - I am definitely not of the same opinion and maintain that it is more reasonable to keep buyers safe from troll remarks, comparing to ego boost of the sellers here at forum. But it is ok to have different opinions.

I haven't really seen that. Even tho, I don't like new gltds, if somebody sells them, the only thing you would here from me is congrats. I can't think of too much hating on sales in general, the only recent stuff that comes to mind, is whenever there is some Mike Mann sales thread. Last one people were posting something illegal, money laundering etc. seemed like some general hating. Now what does happen, is when people see a big sale and then think there is some wave coming or their names are going to benefit. And people correctly point out, not so fast. Take the home.loans sale. When that could simply be one person/group, wanting that one name, nothing else. Most people don't have those type of names.

ResoluteDomains · Jan 27, 2018

Silentptnr said:
I'm getting offers pretty frequently on some of mine. Typically low, but I get that on legacy extensions too.

It seems a logic may be developing in favor of considering a new gTLD, at least until there is a budget, especially when you can get the exactly what you want lotd.

People sit in front of the computer and think "Darn...it's taken. Well..what about this other extension?"

Might look sh*tty at first, but after a while (or a few drinks), it doesn't seem so bad.

It will be interesting to see what happens down the line.

Joke: Sounds like the old "A .horse at 10PM is like a .com at 2AM ? " (some time and some drinks later.... and you're walking out with a .horse!)

/Joke

Seriously - where are you getting offers on yours?

Silentptnr · Jan 27, 2018

AGAME said:
Joke: Sounds like the old "A .horse at 10PM is like a .com at 2AM ? " (some time and some drinks later.... and you're walking out with a .horse!) /Joke

Seriously - where are you getting offers on yours?

As an example, I have had at least 6 direct offers and another 5 or so via efty for ai.city. I have a couple of others that get offers too. I just a couple weeks ago turned down mid $1,xxx for it.

That's almost an average of one offer per month for that one.

I have an offer open at Sedo for it right now. But the guy emailed me directly and we couldn't agree. I have to go in and reject it.

Silentptnr · Jan 27, 2018

My sales of ngtld domains are not good. Nothing compared to .com.

The question was more about changes in perception, particularly after another year has passed.

I don't think aftermarket sales are even a drip, but that could change quickly.

Are they any closer, than say than one year ago, to being a more viable option?

I would say yes, maybe a bit.

ikhub · Jan 27, 2018

Silentptnr said:
I think there is progress!

Couple of large sales suggest that people may be getting used to the new gTLD's.

Do you agree?

There is progress, but there is nothing to be overwhelmed from the domainers point of view. Most of the sales are from the registry itself as they priced almost all the probable keywords as registry premiums. Who knows, whatever was left and got registered by you and me will be 'taken back' by the registry to be reserved and later sold as premium.

Silentptnr · Jan 27, 2018

This week's list of startups and their domain names was just released. 88 new companies. Here are the domain extensions they used:

.com - 62
.cn - 2
.io - 4
.auto - 1
.ltd - 1
.co - 4
.uk.com - 1
.co.uk - 1
.co.jp - 1
.se - 2
.ch - 1
.net - 1
.it - 1
.in - 3
.investments - 1
.de - 1
.ai - 1

HotKey · Jan 27, 2018

Generally...Are New gTLD's Becoming Mainstream?

Silentptnr said:
It takes consumers a long time to adjust to seeing a different kind of string in front of them.

We're still a ways off Silent. Mainstream to me would signify widespread enduser usage, not to mention Average Joe understanding that these are actually extensions, and not domain name + dot-com. Eg every time I tell Mom about my website, she always asks "Ok, and that's dot-com, right?" So annoying, I think she knows it pisses me off.

We can't let a couple of big sales cloud our expectations. There's still a lot of work to be done as investors. We also have to remember, that endusers don't use the same lens as us in looking for a name. Sure a few investors might understand the concept of how to roll a new G' into a nice package, but most buyers will invariably just slighter alter the name if the one they are after is taken. They might not take the same pride in the name, they just need "closest fit" to display their content.

So, expect investments in this arm of domaining to remain very risky, lucky at best, to the near future.

cooljub · Jan 27, 2018

Recons.Com said:
you'd need to start seeing those on business cards, corporate cars, billboards etc.

bmugford said:
I have seen 0 advertised in the real world - not even one on a billboard, sign, magazine, business card, etc.

I noticed one the other day on the pitchside advertising hoardings while watching a football match. I'm trying to remember what it was..

Silentptnr · Jan 27, 2018

cooljub said:
I noticed one the other day on the pitchside advertising hoardings while watching a football match. I'm trying to remember what it was..

LOL...if you can't remember, it's not a good thing for that domain.

atinc · Jan 27, 2018

Silentptnr said:
I think there is progress!

Couple of large sales suggest that people may be getting used to the new gTLD's.

Do you agree?

The sales and numbers really doesn't matter at the moment.

The reason for that is I am seeing massive new gTLD adoption on crypto industry.

Billions of dollars worth of companies, exchanges, currencies and communities are built on new gTLDs.

And more people are getting used to the form of this new strings.

Guys I always supported and suggested this: Do not criticise domains based on extensions, see the whole picture.

Extension doesn't really matters if you have a killer name or combination.

exact match! call to action! what ever niche it is targeting...

I turned down many offers in the past year, just recently got 2 offers totalling $5000 which I refused...

Probably most of you would have accepted these offers.

Maybe even some of you would priced them for mid $xxx

But me...

I haven't start investing on domains just for few thousand dollars...

Internet is the future and the best thing happened to the human kind.

Raymond C · Jan 28, 2018

In 1.5 months time, you will hear another 6 figure sale for gTLD domain name.

Stay Tune!

JB Lions · Jan 28, 2018

atinc said:
Extension doesn't really matters if you have a killer name or combination.

That's false if you're a serious business. Again, new businesses still flock to .com, just see any of the what new startups are using threads and posts around here. It's a simple choice of picking an extension people already know vs. one people probably don't know.

mad409 · Jan 28, 2018

JB Lions said:

Just to be clear this is a 2014 survey and only 1000 U.S. shoppers. Some might not read the very fine print.

JB Lions · Jan 28, 2018

mad409 said:
Just to be clear this is a 2014 survey and only 1000 U.S. shoppers. Some might not read the very fine print.

I know it's from 2014, find a current one, you'll see the same results.

Throw out all domainer's opinions. Simply look at brand new startups/businesses. They have all these new gtlds to choose from. Tell me why they still pick .com overwhelmingly? Maybe that have somebody on the team that understands marketing, consumer behavior.

Here's the latest one - https://dngeek.com/2018/01/88-newly-funded-startups-domain-names-rootcloud-com-firstagenda-com/

3 out of 88 picked a new gtld, 3.4%

Every time I check, low single digits. We're in year 5.

mad409 · Jan 28, 2018

JB Lions said:
I know it's from 2014, find a current one, you'll see the same results.

Throw out all domainer's opinions. Simply look at brand new startups/businesses. They have all these new gtlds to choose from. Tell me why they still pick .com overwhelmingly? Maybe that have somebody on the team that understands marketing, consumer behavior.

Here's the latest one - https://dngeek.com/2018/01/88-newly-funded-startups-domain-names-rootcloud-com-firstagenda-com/

3 out of 88 picked a new gtld, 3.4%

Every time I check, low single digits. We're in year 5.

Hahaha, dude I've been out of these gTLD vs. .com threads for quite some time, got old. All extensions have a use if there's a buyer.

I just posted out its a 2014 survey and a whopping 1000 Shoppers.

JB Lions · Jan 28, 2018

mad409 said:
Hahaha, dude I've been out of these gTLD vs. .com threads for quite some time, got old. All extensions have a use if there's a buyer.

I just posted out its a 2014 survey and a whopping 1000 Shoppers.

You skipped over the 3.4%. You've been in these threads before, so you know it's not the first time you've seen those low numbers. Go ahead and tell me why. Why are these brand new businesses choosing new gtlds in such a low percentage? I just typed something into GoDaddy, these registrars are pushing them. I see new gtlds right in front of my face, above the fold. 3.4%.

Decided to check last year's top 100 reported sales - http://dnjournal.com/archive/domainsales/2017/2017-top-100-sales-charts.htm

2 new gtlds, both registry sales, 1 word, spot on, like most new gtld sales - video.games, casino.online

But not all new gtld sales are reported. True, and all .com sales aren't reported either. If they were, they would probably run the top 100 every year.

mad409 · Jan 28, 2018

JB Lions said:
You skipped over the 3.4%. You've been in these threads before, so you know it's not the first time you've seen those low numbers. Go ahead and tell me why. Why are these brand new businesses choosing new gtlds in such a low percentage?

Don't think this thread was intended to be gTLD vs .com but that's where they all go. I agree most funded startups are using .com, ccTLDs with a few new G's here and there. I do see new G's on the list from time to time so it's not completely a wash. Just because you have a pain in your ass don't be a pain in mine tonight. You always want to stir the pot JB. Geesh!

JB Lions · Jan 28, 2018

mad409 said:
Don't think this thread was intended to be gTLD vs .com but that's where they all go. I agree most funded startups are using .com, ccTLDs with a few new G's here and there. I do see new G's on the list from time to time so it's not completely a wash. Just because you have a pain in your ass don't be a pain in mine tonight. You always want to stir the pot JB. Geesh!

You're the only one that seems to get overly sensitive every time. I'm just posting up stats, you're just avoiding them as usual. Yes, not completely a wash. Not zero. Year 5, that's where it's at.

Generally...Are New gTLD's Becoming Mainstream?

I will say no. Low top sales, 2/100. Low percentage of new startups using them. Reg numbers, lower than last year. Offline, not seeing it.

mad409 · Jan 28, 2018

JB Lions said:
You're the only one that seems to get overly sensitive every time. I'm just posting up stats, you're just avoiding them as usual.

Whatever you want to think. Been there done that, right? Should be some newbie bait for you later on tonight.

JB Lions · Jan 28, 2018

mad409 said:
Whatever you want to think. Been there done that, right? Should be some newbie bait for you later on tonight.

Yes, you never actually give a well thought out opinion. Just out of curiosity, again:

"Why are these brand new businesses choosing new gtlds in such a low percentage?"

Just give me your thoughts on it. Could it be the reason I gave above, they understand marketing/consumer behavior, or do you think it's something else?

Recons.Com · Jan 28, 2018

mad409 said:
Hahaha, dude I've been out of these gTLD vs. .com threads for quite some time, got old. All extensions have a use if there's a buyer.

I just posted out its a 2014 survey and a whopping 1000 Shoppers.

1000 is big enough number, if the list was representative enough. Probably +/- 4% accuracy.

mad409 · Jan 28, 2018

Recons.Com said:
if the list was representative enough

"If" is the keyword though.

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