discuss Generally...Are New gTLD's Becoming Mainstream?

[Silentptnr]

I think there is progress!

Couple of large sales suggest that people may be getting used to the new gTLD's.

Do you agree?

 

[mad409]

Yes, you never actually give a well thought out opinion. Just out of curiosity, again:

"Why are these brand new businesses choosing new gtlds in such a low percentage?"

Just give me your thoughts on it. Could it be the reason I gave above, they understand marketing/consumer behavior, or do you think it's something else?

It's always been my opinion it takes a long time for adoption, things might get better or maybe not. Hell I don't know what the future holds, wish I did.

 

[Recons.Com]

"If" is the keyword though.

I am sure Verisign would be capable of doing it properly.

 

[atinc]

That's false if you're a serious business. Again, new businesses still flock to .com, just see any of the what new startups are using threads and posts around here. It's a simple choice of picking an extension people already know vs. one people probably don't know.

Outdated chart... new gTLDs became available mostly on 2014 and this statistics doesn't prove anything since it was tested in 2014.

Of course there are startups using .com but day by day new gTLDs are gaining popularity among startups.

Especially in crypto world.

I can say whoever interested in cryptos and made research before investing in them already knows about these new extensions.

Why are we still comparing .com and new gTLDs? That I don't understand and I find it useless to discuss.

I personally use new gTLDs for my businesses, receiving enquiries and orders from all over the world.

Of course we have .com website too but comparing the statistics between .com and new gtld website show me that we are performing better on some of the new gTLDs.

Still it doesn't prove anything since the content and seo for each websites are different.

gtld ctld or new gtld it really doesn't matter if you have a great domain.

I am sure even you would want to have a great new gTLD with a low cost. (great = EMD)

Let's be honest, who doesn't?!

 

[dordomai]

There are 2 main reasons imo why new gTLD sales are publicly reported in lesser extend atm, comparing to legacy extension sales, and why my guesstimate is that 95% are unreported:

a) competition is atm huge - people are backordering, dropcatching and trading good new gTLD names massively. By good names in this context I mean: good name PLUS reasonable renewal.

b) when new gTLD investor (private person) make larger sale, they usually think twice if to go public. If you do not understand why, read comments by some 'experts', usually anonymous profiles, towards buyers of new gTLDs, mainly when sale is larger - it is lot of transhing and lot of trolling, name calling, buyers are 'advised' to buy only legacy extensions, sales are called fake, etc. Personally I decided not to report ANY of my sales until there is a change of this - I do not want to report it and then have my buyers reading some troll comments. It is not necessary and I am sure many new gTLDs investors decided the same.

Registries are in different position - it is their business after all, and they should inform about larger sales as much as possible, as it directly supports their further business. But private investors have almost no incentive to report anything. As what would they get in return ? Trashing of their buyers by couple of profiles in the forums, so called 'experts' , and competition knowing what sells and registering quickly similar names in the niche. And what positive new gTLD sellers can get, maybe some ego boost? No thanks, I guess it is reasonable to pass that for now

most large sales are without any doubt made by registries which do report everything they can and even more than that sometimes

most small sales in .com are never reported by domainers too. why should they?

Most small domain sales are reported when they sell on platforms like Sedo Flippa they report all extensions.

A lot of auction data is also public. If competition is huge we would see this in auction report prices.

there is no bias in reporting. This is wishful thinking to say the nGLDs do not sell often on Namebio that must mean sales are secret because they sell so well.

If people think they become mainstream they should first worry about beating .io

I do use sites with .io but not one single site with .whatever.

Strangely I never hear .io investors about .io taking over the world. I wonder why this is?

 

[Silentptnr]

I guess the new extensions are in fact making progress in the way of awareness.

The thread really had nothing to do with comparing to other extensions. Mainly wanted feedback.

As I search for names to hand reg, it is apparent that there are many domains registered with new extensions.

They might not have a strong, consistent aftermarket yet, but people/Domainers/whoever...are registering them.

Not sure about renewal rates, but they are getting regged.

 

[BrandMart]

It's on the rise. Remember, Rome wasn't built in a day.

 

[cooljub]

The thread really had nothing to do with comparing to other extensions

You know that's impossible

 

[Silentptnr]

It's on the rise. Remember, Rome wasn't built in a day.

I have a little piece of paper that says that taped on my computer monitor.

 

[Silentptnr]

You know that's impossible

Yes.

 

[Silentptnr]

I think it will be interesting to see how the new gTLD domains perform at Namescon.

Currently,

coins-club - 2k
everest-cam - 1.2k
2-cool - 370
buy-tickets - 1.2k
pictures-xyz - 300
players-club - 538
porn-club - 310
polo-club - 300
revenge-cam - 350
sme-club - 300
tax-help - 1.1k
united-club - 300
web-cam - 10k

So far, they are getting bids.

 

[BrandMart]

I think it will be interesting to see how the new gTLD domains perform at Namescon.

They should do good. Some good gTLDs have taken top spots in sales recently. For gTLD investers, future looks good, if not too bright.

 

[Silentptnr]

I think it will be interesting to see how the new gTLD domains perform at Namescon.

Currently,

coins-club - 2k
everest-cam - 1.2k
2-cool - 370
buy-tickets - 1.2k
pictures-xyz - 300
players-club - 538
porn-club - 310
polo-club - 300
revenge-cam - 350
sme-club - 300
tax-help - 1.1k
united-club - 300
web-cam - 10k

So far, they are getting bids.

Looks like they are in fact getting some action. Last year at this time, the new gtlds were left out in the cold.

 

[Lox]

Google already allows users to search by domain extension (check advanced search settings) This mean you can pin-point "niche" aka extension. G Patent yr 2003, niche recognition, voice pin ordering etc

color site:.shop
jeans site:.shop
etc

 

[JB Lions]

They might not have a strong, consistent aftermarket yet, but people/Domainers/whoever...are registering them.

If you truly believe that, that's another bad sign. Besides only 2/100 top sales, low single digit regs by startups etc.

You simply have to look at the new extensions before all these new ones came out. Look at .me and .co. There was an aftermarket from the beginning and the first years. There should be one for these. Look at reg numbers for .me and .co. Steadily went up year after year. People have posted charts of a lot of these new ones already going down. The overall numbers have been going down.

As far as mainstream, for years I said take a bookmark test and usually that was in relation to .net. Do you guys consider that one mainstream? I go thru my bookmarks, hundreds, probably overall over a thousand, and maybe I have bookmarked less than a handful. The only one that comes to mind is themeforest.net.

So, not including domaining links, how many new gtld sites have you bookmarked? Visit on at least a weekly basis? Reg numbers going down usually coincides with less chance of development. Again, the only way the general public will even see these, via a site.

And 2 big sales out of 20 million regs, is really not moving the needle much.

 

[JB Lions]

I can say whoever interested in cryptos and made research before investing in them already knows about these new extensions.

The biggest latest sales in that category have been .com.

Let's take a look at this year's sales:

https://namebio.com/?s==UzNyEDO5UTM

0 reported for the term crypto, .io is kicking net gltds butt. Sure there will be crypto sales and related keywords in new gltds, it's hot right now. But again, .com still dominant by a wide measure.

I am sure even you would want to have a great new gTLD with a low cost. (great = EMD)

Let's be honest, who doesn't?!

Big business, smart business, those that understand consumer behavior, marketing. We've went over that many times. Now, for businesses like yours, it doesn't matter what extension the site is built on. But many businesses have higher aspirations and want to be good all the way around, online and offline.

Let me add the extension breakdown from above, term crypto, reported sales via Namebio for this year:

com - 42
net - 4
co - 2
org - 3
io - 2
cc - 1
all the new gltds combined.................0

Here is the link again - https://namebio.com/?s==UzNyEDO5UTM

If you want to invest in crypto domains, it's pretty clear which extensions you should be putting your money with.

 

[Silentptnr]

The biggest latest sales in that category have been .com.

Let's take a look at this year's sales:

https://namebio.com/?s==UzNyEDO5UTM

0 reported for the term crypto, .io is kicking net gltds butt. Sure there will be crypto sales and related keywords in new gltds, it's hot right now. But again, .com still dominant by a wide measure.




Big business, smart business, those that understand consumer behavior, marketing. We've went over that many times. Now, for businesses like yours, it doesn't matter what extension the site is built on. But many businesses have higher aspirations and want to be good all the way around, online and offline.

Thanks JB... I don't yet have confidence in investing in them too much yet.

More experienced investors like you and @Kate always say things that turn out to be right. I probably wasted a few hundred dollars on 3L.ch and Kate tried to tell me. I wish I had listened more closely.

We'll see if things change on these. I have a handful I really hope to keep for the long term.

 

[Bob Hawkes]

I think there is more hope than there was for new gTLDs (certainly nice that they hold positions 1,2 and 11 as of today on the Namebio top sales for 2018!) but the aftermarket will be slow. It would be nice to have a handle on the low value after market, which I suspect is fairly active and masked by the $100 cutoff at Namebio.

The latest array of startups raising funds shows about 70% used .com to launch, 5% each used .io and .co, and the others were mixed including about 4% new gTLD.

I think the extensions that can claim legitimate use by big names will eventually do well. Certainly .design is off on the right foot with Kohler, NPR, Facebook etc. using it.

In looking through hand registering, I do see that in many extensions all of the good names are gone, even fairly specialized ones when they make sense with the extension. Most will only be held for a year and then someone else take them for a year. Renewal rates need to stabilize at an attractive rate.

Tip of hat to whoever it was who saw it worth paying $19,000 for the.club in 2015, and he/she got their big payday of $300,000 this month (although apparently a 25% cut to the marketplace unless special deal was made).

If one can afford to hand on, I think the really great name + TLD combinations that work well together will sell for something significant eventually.

It's a low cost way to creatively speculate for those of us who are in it more as a hobby than a serious investment or business.

 

[New.Life]

Let me add the extension breakdown from above, term crypto, reported sales via Namebio for this year:

com - 42
net - 4
co - 2
org - 3
io - 2
cc - 1
all the new gltds combined.................0

If you want to invest in crypto domains, it's pretty clear which extensions you should be putting your money with.

Leave "Crypto" newgTLD alone.

New gTLD is FRESH! End users can register in them everything they want!

Why should they buy something from someone?

I hand-registered Crypto.Life and Coin.Life only 9 months ago just for $1.99 each.

And now this is the most popular on demand domains from those that I have.

 

[JB Lions]

I think there is more hope than there was for new gTLDs

I remember reading this a week ago:

"The new gTLD industry is performing terribly when compared to ICANN’s predictions just six months ago.

ICANN budget documents published over the weekend show that by one measure new gTLDs are doing just 51% of the business ICANN thought they would."

http://domainincite.com/22566-new-g...ampaign=Feed:+DomainIncite+(DomainIncite.com)

 

[dordomai]

Leave "Crypto" newgTLD alone.

New gTLD is FRESH! End users can register in them everything they want!

Why should they buy something from someone?

I hand-registered Crypto.Life and Coin.Life only 9 months ago just for $1.99 each.

And now this is the most popular on demand domains from those that I have.

you can register .io, .co and many others too could do so for years

 

[dordomai]

I remember reading this a week ago:

"The new gTLD industry is performing terribly when compared to ICANN’s predictions just six months ago.

ICANN budget documents published over the weekend show that by one measure new gTLDs are doing just 51% of the business ICANN thought they would."

http://domainincite.com/22566-new-gtld-revenue-cut-by-half-in-icann-budget?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+DomainIncite+(DomainIncite.com)

Overall, the view of new gTLDs is not pretty, when judged by what ICANN expected.

It shows that ICANN is to an extent captive to the whims of a fickle market that has in recent years been driven by penny deals and Chinese speculation.

By contrast, legacy gTLDs (.com, .info, etc) are running slightly ahead of earlier projections.

yeah right legacy is dying as predicted by the "experts"

 

[dordomai]

Tip of hat to whoever it was who saw it worth paying $19,000 for the.club in 2015, and he/she got their big payday of $300,000 this month (although apparently a 25% cut to the marketplace unless special deal was made).

who knows how profitable they where and how many purchases did not work out for them?

perhaps they still lost money with their other investments?

on average it is probably not a good idea to buy premium domains from the registry

 

[atinc]

The biggest latest sales in that category have been .com.

Let's take a look at this year's sales:

https://namebio.com/?s==UzNyEDO5UTM

0 reported for the term crypto, .io is kicking net gltds butt. Sure there will be crypto sales and related keywords in new gltds, it's hot right now. But again, .com still dominant by a wide measure.




Big business, smart business, those that understand consumer behavior, marketing. We've went over that many times. Now, for businesses like yours, it doesn't matter what extension the site is built on. But many businesses have higher aspirations and want to be good all the way around, online and offline.

Let me add the extension breakdown from above, term crypto, reported sales via Namebio for this year:

com - 42
net - 4
co - 2
org - 3
io - 2
cc - 1
all the new gltds combined.................0

Here is the link again - https://namebio.com/?s==UzNyEDO5UTM

If you want to invest in crypto domains, it's pretty clear which extensions you should be putting your money with.

You are still comparing ...

 

[atinc]

Why are we still comparing .com and new gTLDs? That I don't understand and I find it useless to discuss.

@JB Lions

 

[dgmweb]

I've seen several used in the real world in various print advertising/billboards/side of vehicles. I was surprised at how difficult it was to recognize them as domain names, and even as a domainer I still struggled to recognize them as domains. Never saw anyone use WWW. in front, which I think is essential for indicating that a dot whatever is a domain. I forgot the domains, but extensions were obscure ones like .audio and .museum.

If you simply put say super.audio or head.audio, or heritage.museum or art.museum on a poster, with no indication that it is a domain, I think 99% of people won't even think of trying to type it into their browser. Seems like a huge waste to run advertising campaigns around new gtlds in this way.

That's a good point about the WWW - folks in the tech space don't need it to know it's a domain, and almost all the (younger) devs/designers I work with call you old if you start typing it in a browser...

But it makes complete sense if you're going to plaster it on an ad.