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Hi guys, I received the following below letters within a 12-day time span from American Express for the domain name centurion.shop. Should I be worried given that:
  • Centurion is a generic English or Historical term that has been used for over a millennia. Remember the Roman Centurions?
  • Centurion is a city name in South Africa.
  • Centurion is a name used by thousands of businesses globally. Does AMEX have exclusive rights to a domain name that is being used by thousands of businesses across the world?
  • AMEX once lost a UDRP for the domain name centurion.cc. In that case, the user was even using AMEX style branding on its porn website but the panel still ruled in Respondent's favour.
  • personally, I wasn't even aware that American Express had a product/brand called centurion but I guess that is hard to prove in a court of law.
How many of you have experienced this? Should I be worried? What will their next moves be after the second notice letter? I plan to defend my right to the domain name all the way.

Here are the letters:-


08-Mar-2017

Dear Domain Admin,

American Express Company or an affiliated company (“American Express”) is the owner of the well-known trademark and trade name Centurion. As you are no doubt aware, Centurion is a trademark used to identify products, services, activities and events related to American Express.

You have registered, without American Express’s permission or authorization, the domain name ‘centurion.shop’. The Domain Name incorporates the famous Centurion mark in its entirety and suggests American Express’s sponsorship or endorsement of your website. Our records do not show that Domain Admin is affiliated with American Express or authorized to use its trademarks. If you are affiliated with American Express, we ask that you advise us and we will review.

In view of American Express’s rights to the trademark Centurion, we ask that you immediately discontinue any and all use of the Domain Name and take steps to transfer the Domain Name to American Express.

Should you require additional information or wish to further discuss this issue, please contact the undersigned.

This letter is without prejudice to any of American Express’ rights and remedies, all of which are expressly reserved.

Sincerely,

American Express Trademark Enforcement



Second Letter:

Dear Domain Admin,


This is our SECOND communication with you. Please be advised that American Express Company or an affiliated company (“American Express”) is the owner of the well-known trademark and trade name Centurion. As you are no doubt aware, Centurion is the trademark used to identify products, services, activities and events related to American Express.

In connection to American Express’s proprietary rights over its famous trademark we bring to your attention the following:

1) You have registered, without American Express’s permission or authorization, the domain name ‘centurion.shop’. The Domain Name incorporates the famous Centurion mark in its entirety, and, by its very composition, suggests American Express’s sponsorship or endorsement of your website and correspondingly, your activities.

2) Your use of a Domain Name that incorporates the famous Centurion mark in its entirety constitutes trademark infringement and dilution of American Express’s trademark rights and unfair competition. Your use of our mark in the Domain Name is diluting use because it weakens the ability of the Centurion mark and domain name to identify a single source, namely American Express. Further, your registration and use of the Domain Name misleads consumers into believing that some association exists between American Express and you, which tarnishes the goodwill and reputation of American Express’s products, services, and trademarks.

In view of your infringement of our rights, we must demand that you provide written assurances that you will:
1. Immediately discontinue any and all use of the Domain Name;

2. Take immediate steps to transfer the Domain Name to American Express;

3. Identify and agree to transfer to American Express any other domain names registered by you that contain Centurion or are confusingly similar to the Centurion mark;

4. Immediately and permanently refrain from any use of the term Centurion or any variation thereof that is likely to cause confusion or dilution;

This letter is without prejudice to any of American Express’ rights and remedies, all of which are expressly reserved.

Sincerely,

American Express Trademark Enforcement
 
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I just checked centurion.in is registered by some one in 2005 ..and its around 12 years and they did nothing to acquire it
 
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Centurion is one of American Express Trademarks in India

https://www.americanexpress.com/india/legal/trademarks.shtml

centurion.in is parked. If the owner starts using the domain, amex may/may not go after them too, maybe depends on what the domain is being used for.

They went after Centurion.cc & now they own it. Also acquired thecenturioncard.com & others with the word centurion in them.

The domains share the same whois details
Registrar: CSC CORPORATE DOMAINS, INC.
REGISTRANT CONTACT - Company: American Express Travel Related Services
 
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All they did was put you on notice, that they are watching.

The Centurion card is a big deal for them, and represent some of their best clients.
 

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Ok let's all be realistic here.

The name was obviously registered in hopes of a company like Amex coming to give the OP a winning lottery ticket.

We all heard the same story many times that the intention was to develop it and not seek a sale, Yada Yada Yada....

Bottom line....It's a heavily trademarked term with some big players behind it.

Sometimes you get what you wish for.

And in this case you got your wish for them to come knocking at your door.

Unfortunately, they knocked with the wrong intentions.

Get rid of it and move on.

Round one of lessons learned.
 
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And in this case you got your wish for them to come knocking at your door.

Unfortunately, they knocked with the wrong intentions.
At least they didn't come with a jackhammer, which they could have.
Even if / when they lost (which would be no skin off their noses) imagine the headache for the OP.

Good luck with your blog. Just make sure there are no "accidental" credit card ads.

Peace,
Cyberian
 
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Good luck with your blog. Just make sure there are no "accidental" credit card ads.

:xf.grin: that would be a major accident.

I think they achieved what they wanted, to let OP know that they are watching. Letters 1 and 2 - they began with Dear Domain Admin (distant) then last letter Dear Sam (cordial)
 
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I am discussing the situation where the domain registrant does not have a trademark, just a domain registration. The plain language of the ACPA does not seem to permit that unless you also have a trademark:

(d) Cyberpiracy prevention
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(A) A person shall be liable in a civil action by the *owner of a mark*, ... It does not say "domain name registrant"
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15 U.S.C. § 1114 allows domain registrants to take action but only after an averse UDRP decision. There was a case where someone tried to take an action beforehand and it was dismissed:

(iv)
If a registrar, registry, or other registration authority takes an action described under clause (ii) based on a knowing and material misrepresentation by any other person that a domain name is identical to, confusingly similar to, or dilutive of a mark, the person making the knowing and material misrepresentation shall be liable for any damages, including costs and attorney’s fees, incurred by the domain name registrant as a result of such action. The court may also grant injunctive relief to the domain name registrant, including the reactivation of the domain name or the transfer of the domain name to the domain name registrant.
(v)
A domain name registrant whose domain name has been suspended, disabled, or transferred under a policy described under clause (ii)(II) may, upon notice to the mark owner, file a civil action to establish that the registration or use of the domain name by such registrant is not unlawful under this chapter. The court may grant injunctive relief to the domain name registrant, including the reactivation of the domain name or transfer of the domain name to the domain name registrant.
It is my understanding a domainer can ask for injunctive relief in advance preventing a UDRP claim if he/she can show lack of evidence.
 
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it is not just the URL that matters to them. you are not in any way protected because they do not use it for their main site.

if your domain is confusingly similar to their mark that is all that is needed to infringe.
NOT
 
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It is my understanding a domainer can ask for injunctive relief in advance preventing a UDRP claim if he/she can show lack of evidence.

How did you get that understanding? You can't do it under 15 U.S.C. § 1114.
 
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How did you get that understanding? You can't do it under 15 U.S.C. § 1114.
What I understand is Yes- can get injunctive relief prior to UDRP, to prevent having to defend+ costs
No one is "obligated" to accept UDRP "first" unless one wants damages.
NO- cannot get damages or fees prior to UDRP
 
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@168
There is ZERO evidence the purchaser "intended" to sell directly to any of the 1000+ TM holders

@shopman clearly stated in his previous post:

"Actually, I wanted to either sell the domain name or use it for a Centurion South Africa tourist site. Right now it is on a for sale landing page."

@deez007
it does not say having the domain for sale is considered bad faith...it clearly says selling the name to the TM owner or a Competitor is bad faith! This is not what the OP was doing.

Then what was the OP intention with a for sale landing page? LOL

Common guys!
The OP DID NOT CLEARLY STATE IT WAS HIS INTENT TO SELL TO ANY OF THE 1000+ TM HOLDERS.
The OP did state - ( according to you) -"Actually, I wanted to either sell the domain name or use it for a Centurion South Africa tourist site. Right now it is on a for sale landing page."
Big difference.
Intent to sell to TM holders would be contacting the TM holders.
This is why TM holders generally loose UDRP's when they contact the seller first.
It has been demonstrated time and time again as a ploy to justify RDNH and several TM holders have been called out for it.
 
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Good question. There is an Org out there up and running. The issue here is that if you start selling AMEX gift cards on that domain they can have it turned over to them. It will cost them $5k or more in Attorney fees and a couple of years but they would get it. They would request an emergency restraining order and injunction in the mean time to stop you from using it. Most domain registrars do respect orders from most countries. If they lose they pay your attorney fees. Up to you if you want to go to war? Wouldn't it be better to get some $$$ now from them and sell it to them? That way it is a win win for both parties. We have this issue with Facebook but AXJ FACEBOOK was founded in 1998 and Facebook in 2004 so we were first. We have 5,000 websites out there and these letters are usually to scare you off from using the domain. Up to you. Keep us posted.
 
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These days, famous marks such as CENTURION are most likely registered with the Trademark Clearinghouse, and their owners get notified the moment you register the domain. Thus, a defense of the type, "oh the .cc has been there for years" does not hold water.

You got served with a C&D from a major financial institution about a mark that is famous worldwide. Most prudent approach at this point is to cut your losses ($8 dollars?) and do as they ask.
 
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I am sure AMEX will be willing to pay his expenses. If it gets nasty I am sure one of our Reporters would be happy to cover the story.
 
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Personally I have been thinking about your dilemma and why not publish something about the movie...I am a Roman history buff and would love to shop for Centurion Movie products...
 
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Here is the thing....

They don't want the domain, they just don't want you to use it. Ask yourself apart from Amex who would possibly buy it and for how much. If the biggest client has not registered it, and does not want it, what are you fighting for?

The more I think about it the more I would just let the domain not resolve and drop it when it comes due. If you think you can get a big payday from someone else then go for it.

There really is no grey area.... can you make money from someone else? if not move on..

Since its so heavily trademarked chances are you may run into trouble on numerous fronts.
 
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Just curious. What's the email address of the sender? In other words, are you sure it is an email from American Express? Is it ( [email protected]?)
 
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Up to you if you want to go to war?

There is no longer a need for "war". They closed the case. They were satisfied with my assurances that I am not planning on abusing their trademark/rights using the domain name.
 
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Personally I have been thinking about your dilemma .....

This is no longer a dilemma. Just one of my many domain names. I might or might not renew it in March next year.
 
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Just curious. What's the email address of the sender? In other words, are you sure it is an email from American Express? Is it ( [email protected]?)

Indeed! Email was xxxxxx at mm-amex.com. If you type in mm-amex.com, you are redirected to americanexpress.com. They use that email for their trademark enforcement. I Googled it.
 
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These days, famous marks such as CENTURION are most likely registered with the Trademark Clearinghouse, and their owners get notified the moment you register the domain.

The name "centurion" is not in the TMCH.

Most prudent approach at this point is to cut your losses ($8 dollars?) and do as they ask.

Well they asked me to continue using the domain name as long as I am not abusing their marks :)
 
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Nice conclusion. I'm glad. AMEX is by far my favorite cc company.
 
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Ask for proof , this is the first step. If proof if provided, then drop. If none, offer domain for sale..

When asking for proof, attach the failed case , this establishes a precendence that AMeX has no right over centurion. Once they realize , you know what your doing, they will offer you money.....
 
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So this is AMEX's "third strike". Third time on record they tried to seize a "centurion" domain and failed/given up. As long as you can prove fair use, I don't think there is much to worry about.
you should send this to all major media outlets ;)
Congrats!
 
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Agree with this statement.
I think Its more of a warning, doubt they made a mistake. You just need to be careful how use the domain going forward.

You stood up for yourself, well done. The first letter would have been sufficient for me to drop/give up the name.

Glad the case is closed. Now, you can continue blogging about the Centurion city in peace :)

Agree it's probably done as a warning which is fair however it would be nice if they just sent a letter stating that. Most reasonable
people would appreciate being put on notice what a domain shouldn't be used for with respect to TM vs Threats.
 
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