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  • Democrats

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    22.3%
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President-elect Trump picks Goldman Sachs president & COO Gary Cohn to be National Economic Council Director

Trump Picks Climate Denialist Currently Suing The EPA To Head The EPA


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Calling people who believe deleting 30,000 emails in defiance of the law is wrong 'Trump Worshippers' is just stupid.

Oh FFS - are we still talking about emails?

What about Petreus, potential new secretary of state, who shared confidential info with his mistress?
Flynn for national security advisor, who allegedly shared confidential information with a foreign government?
But those are perfectly OK.. Because ... why?

How about tRump organization's own insecure private email servers? Maybe now that he's PE he should be a little more careful about stuff like that. Or for that matter, of ranting on Twitter like a spoiled 5 yr old.

Waiting for him to appoint El Chapo to head up the DEA.
 
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Not to be outdone, illegals in Sweden also love playing with fire...

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Get off yer high horse, calling people who want a balanced budget 'Trump Worshippers' is just stupid. Calling people who believe deleting 30,000 emails in defiance of the law is wrong 'Trump Worshippers' is just stupid. I could go on, but basically, the message is you are stupid.

Why are you taking my post so personally RogueWriter? Are you a Trump worshiper deep down? If not, why take it so personally then lash out at me. Where in my post did I call anti Hilary people or people that want a balanced budget Trump worshipers?

So let's get this straight. First you interject your own paranoia and personal agenda into my post then call me stupid for that same post. That's pretty much the definition of stupid.
 
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Give them hell Trump and build that Wall, nice and tall...
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Meanwhile the Stock Markets are hitting record highs virtually every day since Trump's nomination...
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These days I am not seeing a lot of people trying to defend GWB and his legacy but now that we have got a GWB on steroids due to take office soon, I wonder what the mood will be in just one year and how far people will take responsibility for their vote.
 
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Oh FFS - are we still talking about emails?

Do you know why Hillary & co's emails are being released? B/C they were kept on unsecure servers instead of Gov. data centers.

Same excuse when Obama and Hillary framed a private citizen, ffs you still talking about Benghazi?

What about Petreus, potential new secretary of state, who shared confidential info with his mistress?
Flynn for national security advisor, who allegedly shared confidential information with a foreign government?
But those are perfectly OK.. Because ... why?

How about tRump organization's own insecure private email servers? Maybe now that he's PE he should be a little more careful about stuff like that. Or for that matter, of ranting on Twitter like a spoiled 5 yr old.

Waiting for him to appoint El Chapo to head up the DEA.

Petreus is unqualified. He'd need a full pardon in order to hold a security clearance. Lucky he's a democrat or he'd be in jail.

IF you or anyone else has evidence of criminal activity from Trump admin ( or company ) please release it. I'm tired of the media lighting their hair on fire every time El Trumpo our Glorious Orange Overlord tweets.
 
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These days I am not seeing a lot of people trying to defend GWB and his legacy but now that we have got a GWB on steroids due to take office soon, I wonder what the mood will be in just one year and how far people will take responsibility for their vote.

Trump hasn't taken office. Let's give him 100 days.
 
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I wonder if you realize what message you are sending here. Your picture supports strict immigration controls. The native Americans had open borders - and look what happened to them.
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Goldman Sachs got their man in, Putin got his boy in. Maybe this is why he doesn't get his briefings, pretend this doesn't exist.

https://twitter.com/search?q="Secret CIA"&src=tren

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"Secret CIA assessment"

Hmmm.. I'm skeptical. Unless someone produces hard proof, this is just another "leak"

This is nothing more than the same old accusations, sans-proof DNC has been floating since October.
 
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"Secret CIA assessment"

Hmmm.. I'm skeptical. Unless someone produces hard proof, this is just another "leak"

This is nothing more than the same old accusations, sans-proof DNC has been floating since October.

I think they've seen enough pointing in one direction so

"Leading Senate Republicans are preparing to launch a coordinated and wide-ranging probe into Russia’s alleged meddling in the U.S. elections and its potential cyberthreats to the military, digging deep into what they view as corrosive interference in the nation’s institutions."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...481253272988&tid=ss_tw&utm_term=.5fd0dbd16c97
 
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Do you know why Hillary & co's emails are being released? B/C they were kept on unsecure servers instead of Gov. data centers.

The HACKED emails which were leaked were from Podesto, not her private server. And fwiw the state department servers had previously been hacked - so much for Gov. data centers.

The hacking wasn't the work of drive by script kiddies. Have you read the details? As someone who used to work in Infosec (sr tech analyst) the evidence of it being a pro job with Russian involvement is compelling.
 
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I think they've seen enough pointing in one direction so

"Leading Senate Republicans are preparing to launch a coordinated and wide-ranging probe into Russia’s alleged meddling in the U.S. elections and its potential cyberthreats to the military, digging deep into what they view as corrosive interference in the nation’s institutions."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...481253272988&tid=ss_tw&utm_term=.5fd0dbd16c97

Notice how none of these Stallworth defenders of freedom are talking about securing the voting process?

I would think that after being robbed of the presidency by Russians, democrats and republicans would support secure elections, voter ID and a paper trail for every vote.

'He plans to spearhead legislation and hold a series of investigative hearings next year into “Russia’s misadventures throughout the world,”'

Sounds more like a media event then. Term Limits. We need Term Limits for Congress.
 
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The HACKED emails which were leaked were from Podesto, not her private server. And fwiw the state department servers had previously been hacked - so much for Gov. data centers.

The hacking wasn't the work of drive by script kiddies. Have you read the details? As someone who used to work in Infosec (sr tech analyst) the evidence of it being a pro job with Russian involvement is compelling.

http://nypost.com/2016/10/29/heres-how-hackers-stole-50000-of-john-podestas-emails/

The hackers sent John Podesta an official-looking email on Saturday, March 19, that appeared to come from Google. It warned that someone in Ukraine had obtained Podesta’s personal Gmail password and tried unsuccessfully to log in, and it directed him to a website where he should “change your password immediately.”
 
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The HACKED emails which were leaked were from Podesto, not her private server. And fwiw the state department servers had previously been hacked - so much for Gov. data centers.

The hacking wasn't the work of drive by script kiddies. Have you read the details? As someone who used to work in Infosec (sr tech analyst) the evidence of it being a pro job with Russian involvement is compelling.

I'm not saying it wasn't the Russians but they are a convenient excuse / scapegoat. I don't care who released them.

Gmail isn't a secure platform. Email isn't a secure medium. Phishing isn't "state level" hackers.
 
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If not, why take it so personally then lash out at me.

Oh if I wanted to lash out at you personally, I would have taken more time to point out the many, many errors in your thought process but frankly you just don't strike me as deserving that much effort.
 
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@enlytend

Is this the email that hacked John Podesta's account?
http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/28/polit...-podesta-hillary-clinton-wikileaks/index.html

Let look at the evidence it was Russia..

Phishing so sophisticated..
"A phishing email sent to Hillary Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta may have been so sophisticated that it fooled the campaign's own IT staffers"

State level hacker use bit .ly
"instead directing the user blindly via bit .ly, a service used to shorten or conceal web addresses"

Podesta is so stupid, he gave them his password twice.
"According to the cybersercurity company SecureWorks, the link used in the Podesta email was clicked two times"

The Russian connection
'SecureWorks has linked the "bit .ly", account used in the Podesta phishing attack to "Fancy Bear."'

It's now December. Why hasn't the DOJ or FBI or somebody in our Gov outed these state hackers? I would think exposing this would be a top priority with the elections and all.

Congressman Adam Schiff is unable to answer the direct question, "“You're on the Intel Committee. Let me ask you just one final question. Can you look at the camera and say the government of Vladimir Putin was behind the hacks of John Podesta's email?”"

http://ijr.com/wildfire/2016/12/751...ith-uncomfortable-question-about-us-election/

This is a propaganda campaign with crafted reporting. Lot's of suggestions about foreign
Governments and bad actors. Not a lot of facts or actions.
 
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I've been in many countries that look more peaceful, more relaxed and more democratic overall than the US today.

I will describe in a few words what the President looks like in a normal, mature, democratic country.
The President is a rather experienced politician, therefore older in general. He/she doesn't swear and never uses foul language in public. Because he always has in mind that he has to preserve the dignity of the office (which rests on his/her own personal credibility).

He/she doesn't run a business empire while in office.

He's not at the center of sex scandals, or the likelihood that he/she will have to step down is very high.
If she/he doesn't behave, the people go to the streets and show him/her the door (example: South Korea).

He/she speaks in a conciliatory tone and refrains from making inflammatory statements. His/her job is to mend bridges, not to polarize the public debate. He/she sticks to the mission.
He/she doesn't spend the whole day posting worthless comments about anything and everything on Twitter. Instead, he/she speaks only in designated circumstances, or when he/she has something worthy to say. People listen.

For all those reasons, he/she is usually respected by the vast majority of the population, even those who don't agree with his/her ideas.

In a normal, democratic country, press freedom is sacrosanct and attacks on the press, even veiled ones, are not well received at all. The President has to answer questions from critical journalists, and is always subject to scrutiny by press groups or independent bodies, some of which might be mildly hostile or at least not aligned with the establishment. Nonetheless, he/she has to remain polite at all times, be smiling and convincing, and tolerate the opposition. Misogynistic comments, racist slur, hate speech or personal attacks would cause an uproar and possibly a constitutional crisis. Downplaying opponents as traitors is not something that would get sympathy from the public.

Clearly, the US today is moving toward the Russian model. In a pseudo-democracy like Russia, enforcement of human rights is poor, the rule of law does not apply to all, journalists are dying by the dozens and the free press is virtually eliminated.
The executive branch is all powerful in the absence of proper checks and balances. There is contempt for human rights and the Constitution.

We now have an oligarch in charge but we are being told conflicts of interests will be sorted out somehow. I'd like to see that :lookaround:

What the President elect might do or not do in the near future is one thing, but we can have an opinion based on what we've already seen and witnessed, and it's not too promising. I'd like to be proven wrong but it's unlikely to happen.
 
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