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Hey Folks,

I've just started using squadhelp.com to list some of my brandable. So far I have 76 domains listed, there is no fee to list. I've had some decent action so far in the way of interested buyers but no sales as of yet. I've only been with them for 1 week now.

A bit of a summary review of SquadHelp:

PROS
  • No Listing fee
  • No Logo design fee
  • Ability to submit your names to end users holding naming contests
  • Ability to chat directly or send a message directly to end users.
  • Stats of your marketplace domains are shown in the marketplace dashboard.
  • Their customer service and support has been great, 24hr a day chat.
  • Ability to increase or decrease the list price of your domains or to show a discount. You can decrease or increase the price yourself by $200. If you want to lower more, you can contact support.
  • End users can shortlist your domains before they make a decision on which they want to purchase. The number of shortlists is shown in you marketplace dashboard.
  • When you submit your names you get to set the price you wish to get. Because their commissions are high I recommend listing at a higher price to offset the commission costs.
  • Their landing pages are fairly basic but they work. Because the marketplace is fairly new, I'm sure we will see style improvements in the future.
  • One thing I really like is they accept multiple extensions. I have listed .co and .io along with .com
  • Each seller gets a direct link to their marketplace portfolio, HERES MY PORTFOLIO. It is handy if your trying to p[promote your portfolio through social media.
  • I like that their marketplace doesn't have tens of thousands domain listings like BB. They are fairly strict on the domains they accept to list and so this helps keep the number of domains in the marketplace down and gets your listings more exposure.
CONS
  • Their commissions are very high, depending on the domain name they are usually between 30% and 35%. However, there are no listing fees, no logo design fees, so in the end their commission is very similar to brand buckets.
  • Their logos are not top quality, in fact I requested to have some of my logos remade.
  • I think they have a big backlog of logos to design, the wait time for logo design has been around 1 week, but your names are still listed while the logos are being designed.
  • After your names are accepted you need to agree to their commission rate, at this point you also need to apply your own keywords, descriptions etc. I found this was very time consuming.
 
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That sucks. Appreciate you sharing.

I would pull those domains and move to Dan or Afternic landers.

Still no sales for me on Squadhelp with over 750 names. I have been in touch with them. They responded politely to my inquiries, but weren't able to give me any indication of an estimated or average sort of sales rate that might now be typical with them. I understand why, of course, as there are a lot of variables with names and portfolio. They weren't able to suggest anything much further to help with sales except keeping up to date with reading articles and the published advice on the site. Even at 1% sales I would cover my costs, though I am now into the multiple thousands down in losses to catch up on. But no sign of any sales or enquiries. I hope others are doing better on there and have regular sales coming through. Best wishes for the new year.
 
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That sucks. Appreciate you sharing.

I would pull those domains and move to Dan or Afternic landers.
Thanks, yes. I will definitely need to seriously consider that now. Will give it a while longer, but can't afford to just keep waiting for sure.
 
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SH sales have died down from what I can see… hopefully new year brings new customers and plenty of sales for us all!
 
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@TBN
Can you share your public portfolio link?
 
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I prefer not to.
I think that our colleague asked about portfolio to know bad sales reason. If you have a good portfolio and no one buys your domains, this is an occasion to think. If the quality of the domains leaves much to be desired, then the rule of 1% sales of the total domain number does not work here. I state that domain sales have fallen all over the world. I have only 400 average quality hand regged domains, but I sold only 2 of them, this is 0.5%, that is, twice as worse than average indicators.
 
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I think that our colleague asked about portfolio to know bad sales reason. If you have a good portfolio and no one buys your domains, this is an occasion to think. If the quality of the domains leaves much to be desired, then the rule of 1% sales of the total domain number does not work here. I state that domain sales have fallen all over the world. I have only 400 average quality hand regged domains, but I sold only 2 of them, this is 0.5%, that is, twice as worse than average indicators.
Yes the purpose to see the portfolio to analyse the reason why domains are not selling. Either domains are not upto that quality or there is some issue with SH. I am also developing SH portfolio thats why I asked for but Its his right to share or not.
 
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I think that our colleague asked about portfolio to know bad sales reason. If you have a good portfolio and no one buys your domains, this is an occasion to think. If the quality of the domains leaves much to be desired, then the rule of 1% sales of the total domain number does not work here. I state that domain sales have fallen all over the world. I have only 400 average quality hand regged domains, but I sold only 2 of them, this is 0.5%, that is, twice as worse than average indicators.
Yes, I understand and agree. I would hope, however, that SH approval process should have some relevance. If not a single name sells out of hundreds, year after year, I wonder at the point of the approval process. It is not an especially high value priced portfolio. Around average selling price. Some of the names have previously been accepted at other brandable marketplaces. Just take it as one single report of sales results, nothing more.
 
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Why is this a Squadhelp “Premium”?!!! “LLIDL.com”
I asked a while back, and was ignored on granting the ability to report flagrant, blatant TM infringement DNs.

Delete this abomination.

LLIDL is a rip off, of LIDL.
 
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This is a welcomed change. Hooray! I wish Afternic would add down payment settings.

That said, it looks like the max down payment is 20%. I'd like to go higher. I've heard smart folks advocate for 50% down and a max term of 12 months.
 
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I've just skim-read this thread. People sitting on hundreds of domains for years - you need to get outbounding - it's not that hard. As for SH, that name alone is some of the worst branding I've seen. Their concept of curation is also very flawed. YMMV, IMHO.
 
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I think that our colleague asked about portfolio to know bad sales reason. If you have a good portfolio and no one buys your domains, this is an occasion to think. If the quality of the domains leaves much to be desired, then the rule of 1% sales of the total domain number does not work here. I state that domain sales have fallen all over the world. I have only 400 average quality hand regged domains, but I sold only 2 of them, this is 0.5%, that is, twice as worse than average indicators.

But shouldn't SH know better what sells and what doesn't? And if they do, shouldn't they reject the names that they can't sell even at 1%, which is the STR for the names to sell themselves without even needing a brand marketplace with logos, description and proclaimed extra sales efforts?

Any way you look at it, it is a failure on SH part and is no fluke. It is supposed to provide 1.5%+ STR sitewide (to account for the extra commission and extra work involved with listing and keeping up) and large portfolios of 500+ should get 5-10 sales a year with 95%+ probability. The chance of no sale should be very close to zero for 750 name folio.

What I would recommend to this specific investor is removing around 1/3 of the folio (RANDOM selection) and listing those with Afternic with Dan landers for the whole of 2024. Then compare it with SH sales for 2024 if any.

I did this accidentally, when I had around 110 names approved by SH plus around 45 that were approved but I did not get to writing descriptions, categorizing etc. (you had to do all that manually at the time). And after few months when I finally made time for this, I discovered, to my surprise, that 4 out of 45 sold via Afternic already, while SH had 0 for 65 during that period. So I decided not to list those, while I still kept the listed ones for some time more with just few sales below what I was making for similar names via Afternic. And with that, I just delisted all and left the platform.
 
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People sitting on hundreds of domains for years - you need to get outbounding - it's not that hard.

In my experience, outbounding brandable names is just about impossible. Has it worked for you?


As for SH, that name alone is some of the worst branding I've seen. Their concept of curation is also very flawed.

Unfortunately I strongly agree. The name has always been very strange to me, and the curation is very flawed.

EDIT: Coincidentally, on the Hilco Digital podcast they implied that SH is going to rebrand with a one word .com in the coming year (just after 26m). Finally!

One thing I've noticed is that SH doesn't seem to care what's already listed, as opposed to BB. Like if SH decides it likes a keyword, e.g., Bold, they'll accept an unlimited number of Bold+Keyword domains. Whereas BB seems to have a concept of saturation, and will eventually stop accepting those names even if they are good enough to be accepted were there not already 50 similar names in the marketplace (BB still has an oversaturation problem, but its not nearly as bad).

I suspect that is the fatal flaw of their Expert Review process. You just can't ask random people who don't have access to their internal data to consider the overall shopping experience of the marketplace. That really needs to be handled internally.
 
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But shouldn't SH know better what sells and what doesn't? And if they do, shouldn't they reject the names that they can't sell even at 1%, which is the STR for the names to sell themselves without even needing a brand marketplace with logos, description and proclaimed extra sales efforts?

That was my expectation as well. But when I started the experiment, I did have a conversation with another NP member that I may only be getting good at passing their expert review process, and not necessarily picking domains that will sell. I think that might be what's happened.

That said, I don't think its really fair to consider STR on names that haven't had at least 12-18 months listed. I do think that out of 800+ names at least 1 should have sold within 6 months, but I'm going to give this tranche at least 2 years on SH before I draw final conclusions. But I'm also not going to be investing a lot more into their platform unless the results get better, which is disappointing because I have capital I want to deploy.

One thing I'm experimenting with now is "SEO" on SquadHelp. They've changed the way their search engine works quite a bit in 2023. Without meaningful stats, its hard to know how my names are ranking now vs. 2022, but I think something has changed drastically.

For better or worse (worse IMHO), SquadHelp gives the sellers a huge amount of leeway in pricing and in the content of the sales pages, which definitely affects rankings in their search engine. I've been able to increase the number of views to my listings by about 15% by writing new descriptions (with ChatGPT, obviously).

For pricing, I can change my own prices by up to 400% - which destroys pricing as a signal of value in their marketplace. I'm also not sure what effect pricing has on the search rankings (if any). I would so deeply appreciate anyone's insight here.

On the one hand, having to optimize my SH listings is a huge PITA and is definitely a worse experience for buyers. On the other hand, if I can crack the code maybe the unfair advantage swings my way. But I will say, gaming SH's search algorithm is definitely not how I expected or wanted to be spending my time.

What I would recommend to this specific investor is removing around 1/3 of the folio (RANDOM selection) and listing those with Afternic with Dan landers for the whole of 2024. Then compare it with SH sales for 2024 if any.

This would be a good plan, except that you can't delist 30% of your names from SH - they'll close your account. I think 10% is the limit. So you have to decide whether you're in or out - this sort of testing isn't possible if the names are already listed.

What I have done is a more even split between BB and SH. Previously I was submitting to SH first, and then submitting their rejects to BB. Even with BB getting second choice (and thus presumably lower quality names) they were kicking SH's ass in STR. So I've reversed my strategy for 2024 and I'm prioritizing BB > SH. Unfortunately BB currently takes 2 months (!!!!!) to review a name, so its a very slow process to grow my portfolio or to learn anything about what they want on their platform. I only have about 330 names on BB right now, with ~270 waiting to be reviewed (of which I predict 50-60 will be accepted). I hope to grow that to at least 1k names by 2025.

Its interesting though - the marketplaces definitely have different tastes. BB accepts about 20-25% of my names regardless of whether they are rejects from SH or fresh names. SH is similar - they accept right around 45-50% of the names I submit, regardless of if they are BB rejects or fresh names.

One final thought - if I ran SH, I would take a page from BB and implement a liquidation program. On BB you can sell them any of your .com names for (1% of the appraised value - $10). So for example, a name appraised by them for $2500 can be liquidated directly to BB for $15.

That's not a deal most people are going to take for anything but their worst names, but I suspect it clears a lot of crap out of their marketplace (and inevitably there will be some crap that makes it through the review process). I think SH would be well served by starting a similar program where they'd liquidate any name for $10 and then using that to remove a lot of the cruft from their marketplace.
 
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Worth noting, @JudgeMind has quit SH after being one of the top 10 sellers on their platform for several years.

https://nitter.net/BrandAimCom/status/1729989896016916536

He had posted here in Sept that his SH sales this year had suddenly dried up. I was wondering if it had improved.

As i approach 3 months without a sale at squadhelp, i question if everyone else is experiencing similar results. Currently i have 1263 premium listings at SH and the last sale was on June 17th (sale originated from afternic).
 
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That was my expectation as well. But when I started the experiment, I did have a conversation with another NP member that I may only be getting good at passing their expert review process, and not necessarily picking domains that will sell. I think that might be what's happened.

That said, I don't think its really fair to consider STR on names that haven't had at least 12-18 months listed. I do think that out of 800+ names at least 1 should have sold within 6 months, but I'm going to give this tranche at least 2 years on SH before I draw final conclusions. But I'm also not going to be investing a lot more into their platform unless the results get better, which is disappointing because I have capital I want to deploy.

One thing I'm experimenting with now is "SEO" on SquadHelp. They've changed the way their search engine works quite a bit in 2023. Without meaningful stats, its hard to know how my names are ranking now vs. 2022, but I think something has changed drastically.

For better or worse (worse IMHO), SquadHelp gives the sellers a huge amount of leeway in pricing and in the content of the sales pages, which definitely affects rankings in their search engine. I've been able to increase the number of views to my listings by about 15% by writing new descriptions (with ChatGPT, obviously).

For pricing, I can change my own prices by up to 400% - which destroys pricing as a signal of value in their marketplace. I'm also not sure what effect pricing has on the search rankings (if any). I would so deeply appreciate anyone's insight here.

On the one hand, having to optimize my SH listings is a huge PITA and is definitely a worse experience for buyers. On the other hand, if I can crack the code maybe the unfair advantage swings my way. But I will say, gaming SH's search algorithm is definitely not how I expected or wanted to be spending my time.



This would be a good plan, except that you can't delist 30% of your names from SH - they'll close your account. I think 10% is the limit. So you have to decide whether you're in or out - this sort of testing isn't possible if the names are already listed.

What I have done is a more even split between BB and SH. Previously I was submitting to SH first, and then submitting their rejects to BB. Even with BB getting second choice (and thus presumably lower quality names) they were kicking SH's ass in STR. So I've reversed my strategy for 2024 and I'm prioritizing BB > SH. Unfortunately BB currently takes 2 months (!!!!!) to review a name, so its a very slow process to grow my portfolio or to learn anything about what they want on their platform. I only have about 330 names on BB right now, with ~270 waiting to be reviewed (of which I predict 50-60 will be accepted). I hope to grow that to at least 1k names by 2025.

Its interesting though - the marketplaces definitely have different tastes. BB accepts about 20-25% of my names regardless of whether they are rejects from SH or fresh names. SH is similar - they accept right around 45-50% of the names I submit, regardless of if they are BB rejects or fresh names.

One final thought - if I ran SH, I would take a page from BB and implement a liquidation program. On BB you can sell them any of your .com names for (1% of the appraised value - $10). So for example, a name appraised by them for $2500 can be liquidated directly to BB for $15.

That's not a deal most people are going to take for anything but their worst names, but I suspect it clears a lot of crap out of their marketplace (and inevitably there will be some crap that makes it through the review process). I think SH would be well served by starting a similar program where they'd liquidate any name for $10 and then using that to remove a lot of the cruft from their marketplace.

Yeah, even here people started asking about the folio if they can see it and make conclusion if his names are just bad. And that could tie to the story of a seller getting good at adjusting to "experts'' tastes rather than potential buyers tastes.

But, and it is a big but, SH claims that they are branding experts and their ad I saw on youtube mentioned that there are 300 million plus domains, but only under 200k on SH because they are so good at picking the best ones. So either SH is BSing and they are clueless what good brands are or I don't know what is another explanation for this. If they are experts, that by default means, all those names are sellable at rates that pay for renewals and provide adequate return.

Actually, imo, SH should guarantee minimum revenue for 50+ name folios that at least covers renewals. Basically, if at the close of year, the revenue was not enough, SH pays the difference.
 
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But, and it is a big but, SH claims that they are branding experts and their ad I saw on youtube mentioned that there are 300 million plus domains, but only under 200k on SH because they are so good at picking the best ones. So either SH is BSing and they are clueless what good brands are or I don't know what is another explanation for this.

Even if every name on SH had a 2% STR that would still mean 90% of them won't sell in 5 years. So we can't fault them too much. Its a hard problem they are working on. They are obviously smart folks who know more about selling brandable names than you or I ever will.

But I do think they rely too heavily on automation and are too seller friendly, and that hurts the quality of their marketplace by diluting the curation. That might have made sense when they were starting and needed to increase inventory, but at this point they have too much inventory with 250k names.

Some examples where I think their automation hurts them:

1) Expert Domain Reviewers

I think we all know how this works, but just to recap: SH shows submitted domains in blocks of 4 to a group of "Expert Domain Reviewers", and they select the one out of the 4 they like the best (if they like any). If the domain gets enough votes it is automatically approved without anyone at SH weighing in. This is the case for most of my domains on SH - I would say 80%+ of my names that are accepted were Auto-Approved in this manner.

On the surface this seems fine and is definitely faster, but it doesn't take much imagination to see that a mediocre domain could get lucky and be pitted against a whole bunch of crappy domains and thus still be auto-approved. Its also not going to take into account the overall health of the marketplace (i.e., approving too many similar names). And finally, folks that are willing to accept literal pennies per poll to do this work are just not going to have the same expertise as professional curators that actually work for the marketplace.

Its true that you can opt out of this process and insist that a member of SH's staff reviews the name, but that only effects your names - the marketplace is still full of Auto Approved domains.

2) Pricing / Appraisal

SH lets you suggest your own prices, or you can let them pick the prices and they'll usually pick something between $2200-4000. Bigger accounts (500+ names) can increase the appraised price by 4x.

So under this system 2 domains both appraised at $2300 could be listed for any price between $2300-9200. And this applies all the way up, there's no limit. For example, they approved a domain for me last week at ~$20k which I was able to mark up to $75k. So what's the correct price? Who the hell knows! But one of us is totally wrong.

And it means that the sellers are setting the prices, not the curators, and that's a big problem. Their curation and appraisal is their core value proposition to buyers, and now the inmates are running the asylum.

This system destroys the utility of the primary filter the customer's have (price). And it means that those doing the pricing (sellers) have a different goal than the curators (selling their own names vs creating a brand customers can rely on to have quality, well-priced names). This is a recipe for trouble.

It also has a rather unfortunate second order effect: since SH knows the sellers can set the prices to whatever the hell they want, they don't seem to put much time into the appraisals and they usually skew low because they know most sellers are going to 4x them.

3) Domain Insights

I have found their Domain Insights tool to be extremely hit or miss, although I believe Darpan when he says that domains with a high DI score (7+) sell 2x better than domains with a lower DI score (5-6). Keep in mind it never returns a score lower than 5.

But my suspicion is they are a little too in love with their own tool here and rely on it too much. As many of us have found, its just about impossible to automatically score domains in bulk regardless of how many signals you add to the mix or how many times you say "AI" in front of a mirror.

I have the same feelings about their Domain Grader AI. Its useful for a very rough filter of a giant list, but it cannot replace human curation and still selects a lot of crap. I ran tens of thousands of domains through it while it was open, and I would say *maybe* 1% of the names it returned were ones I ended up registering.

Let's be clear - that is a huge technical achievement. But we're a long way out from those AIs being able to choose great domains out of a pile of crap. (I have developed my own based on ChatGPT and it sucks too, but it works as well as theirs and its still the best way to filter the drop list.)

Conclusion

The common theme here is that by trying to scale curation they've ended up with a mess of 250k domains of wildly varying quality and price. It probably made sense when they were starting and needed to grow the inventory quickly, but its gone too far. Sellers may like some of the automation features but what sellers really like is sales - and that's not going well right now.

Adding the "ultra premium" marketplace is a symptom of the failed curation in the bigger martketplace. Its an admission that the rest of their inventory is the bargain bin, and you're going to have to spend lots of time digging in there to find anything good. Having to create an actually-curated section of a marketplace that's supposed to already be curated says to me that the curation isn't working. Otherwise I could sort by high price and automatically be shown the best names, but we all know that doesn't work on SH.

Like I said though, these are smart people with access to data we can only dream of. So I'd still rather bet on rolling with them than on going it alone (and I am making that bet). They've got work to do, but I think there's a good chance they can pull it off. They've gotten much further than a lot of other people who have tried, and they are continually innovating.

I'm absolutely thrilled to hear they're going to upgrade the name. I cringe every time I think of a potential buyer hitting that landing page and thinking "what in the hell is SquadHelp?"

A big part of SH's job is buyer education, and its hard to be credible when convincing someone to shell out for a premium name when you're running the damn business on a hand reg name. If SH was called Build.com, Eden.com, or something else thats really premium it would instantly make them more credible.

I'm also thrilled they've killed the Super Boosts. Their search rankings need to be more "pure", so anything that improves that is a good thing in my book. Rank the domains by their quality and relevance, not by whether the seller has a lot of SH points to spend.

My Ideas To Improve SH

If this was my baby, this is what I'd do:

1) Kill the expert review process and get a real team making real salaries to do the curation.

2) Drastically increase submission fees to knock the volume way down and to pay the curation team ($10 per name?). Maybe limit the number of names a seller can submit monthly, and increase that limit on a per seller basis when they have names accepted.

3) Tighten up the review process. They say only ~8% of names get approved, but everyone here says they get at least 40% through (I'm around 45%).

4) Purge the worst names from the marketplace. I'd do a liquidation program and pay people to convert their listings to SH owned listings, and then drop most of them at renewal. Maybe they could buy up to 50k names for $500k ($10/each) and thus remove the worst 20% of the names in the marketplace.

5) Stop letting sellers write their own descriptions and choose their own categories. Buyers want to see the best domain for them, not the domain whose owner is the best at gaming the search engine.

6) Re-price all the remaining domains and stop letting sellers set the prices

Common theme there is that SH delivers value through curation and appraisal, and so they should not outsource those tasks to automated systems or sellers.

Anyone else have thoughts on this?
 
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Thanks for this detailed reviews. I agreed with your ideas to improve SH.
 
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Even if every name on SH had a 2% STR that would still mean 90% of them won't sell in 5 years. So we can't fault them too much. Its a hard problem they are working on. They are obviously smart folks who know more about selling brandable names than you or I ever will.

But I do think they rely too heavily on automation and are too seller friendly, and that hurts the quality of their marketplace by diluting the curation. That might have made sense when they were starting and needed to increase inventory, but at this point they have too much inventory with 250k names.

Some examples where I think their automation hurts them:

1) Expert Domain Reviewers

I think we all know how this works, but just to recap: SH shows submitted domains in blocks of 4 to a group of "Expert Domain Reviewers", and they select the one out of the 4 they like the best (if they like any). If the domain gets enough votes it is automatically approved without anyone at SH weighing in. This is the case for most of my domains on SH - I would say 80%+ of my names that are accepted were Auto-Approved in this manner.

On the surface this seems fine and is definitely faster, but it doesn't take much imagination to see that a mediocre domain could get lucky and be pitted against a whole bunch of crappy domains and thus still be auto-approved. Its also not going to take into account the overall health of the marketplace (i.e., approving too many similar names). And finally, folks that are willing to accept literal pennies per poll to do this work are just not going to have the same expertise as professional curators that actually work for the marketplace.

Its true that you can opt out of this process and insist that a member of SH's staff reviews the name, but that only effects your names - the marketplace is still full of Auto Approved domains.

2) Pricing / Appraisal

SH lets you suggest your own prices, or you can let them pick the prices and they'll usually pick something between $2200-4000. Bigger accounts (500+ names) can increase the appraised price by 4x.

So under this system 2 domains both appraised at $2300 could be listed for any price between $2300-9200. And this applies all the way up, there's no limit. For example, they approved a domain for me last week at ~$20k which I was able to mark up to $75k. So what's the correct price? Who the hell knows! But one of us is totally wrong.

And it means that the sellers are setting the prices, not the curators, and that's a big problem. Their curation and appraisal is their core value proposition to buyers, and now the inmates are running the asylum.

This system destroys the utility of the primary filter the customer's have (price). And it means that those doing the pricing (sellers) have a different goal than the curators (selling their own names vs creating a brand customers can rely on to have quality, well-priced names). This is a recipe for trouble.

It also has a rather unfortunate second order effect: since SH knows the sellers can set the prices to whatever the hell they want, they don't seem to put much time into the appraisals and they usually skew low because they know most sellers are going to 4x them.

3) Domain Insights

I have found their Domain Insights tool to be extremely hit or miss, although I believe Darpan when he says that domains with a high DI score (7+) sell 2x better than domains with a lower DI score (5-6). Keep in mind it never returns a score lower than 5.

But my suspicion is they are a little too in love with their own tool here and rely on it too much. As many of us have found, its just about impossible to automatically score domains in bulk regardless of how many signals you add to the mix or how many times you say "AI" in front of a mirror.

I have the same feelings about their Domain Grader AI. Its useful for a very rough filter of a giant list, but it cannot replace human curation and still selects a lot of crap. I ran tens of thousands of domains through it while it was open, and I would say *maybe* 1% of the names it returned were ones I ended up registering.

Let's be clear - that is a huge technical achievement. But we're a long way out from those AIs being able to choose great domains out of a pile of crap. (I have developed my own based on ChatGPT and it sucks too, but it works as well as theirs and its still the best way to filter the drop list.)

Conclusion

The common theme here is that by trying to scale curation they've ended up with a mess of 250k domains of wildly varying quality and price. It probably made sense when they were starting and needed to grow the inventory quickly, but its gone too far. Sellers may like some of the automation features but what sellers really like is sales - and that's not going well right now.

Adding the "ultra premium" marketplace is a symptom of the failed curation in the bigger martketplace. Its an admission that the rest of their inventory is the bargain bin, and you're going to have to spend lots of time digging in there to find anything good. Having to create an actually-curated section of a marketplace that's supposed to already be curated says to me that the curation isn't working. Otherwise I could sort by high price and automatically be shown the best names, but we all know that doesn't work on SH.

Like I said though, these are smart people with access to data we can only dream of. So I'd still rather bet on rolling with them than on going it alone (and I am making that bet). They've got work to do, but I think there's a good chance they can pull it off. They've gotten much further than a lot of other people who have tried, and they are continually innovating.

I'm absolutely thrilled to hear they're going to upgrade the name. I cringe every time I think of a potential buyer hitting that landing page and thinking "what in the hell is SquadHelp?"

A big part of SH's job is buyer education, and its hard to be credible when convincing someone to shell out for a premium name when you're running the damn business on a hand reg name. If SH was called Build.com, Eden.com, or something else thats really premium it would instantly make them more credible.

I'm also thrilled they've killed the Super Boosts. Their search rankings need to be more "pure", so anything that improves that is a good thing in my book. Rank the domains by their quality and relevance, not by whether the seller has a lot of SH points to spend.

My Ideas To Improve SH

If this was my baby, this is what I'd do:

1) Kill the expert review process and get a real team making real salaries to do the curation.

2) Drastically increase submission fees to knock the volume way down and to pay the curation team ($10 per name?). Maybe limit the number of names a seller can submit monthly, and increase that limit on a per seller basis when they have names accepted.

3) Tighten up the review process. They say only ~8% of names get approved, but everyone here says they get at least 40% through (I'm around 45%).

4) Purge the worst names from the marketplace. I'd do a liquidation program and pay people to convert their listings to SH owned listings, and then drop most of them at renewal. Maybe they could buy up to 50k names for $500k ($10/each) and thus remove the worst 20% of the names in the marketplace.

5) Stop letting sellers write their own descriptions and choose their own categories. Buyers want to see the best domain for them, not the domain whose owner is the best at gaming the search engine.

6) Re-price all the remaining domains and stop letting sellers set the prices

Common theme there is that SH delivers value through curation and appraisal, and so they should not outsource those tasks to automated systems or sellers.

Anyone else have thoughts on this?
I disagree with 2 5 and 6. The problem isn’t sellers being able to raise prices. The problem is names with Qode Instead of Code still get accepted. They have a curation problem and oversaturation problem without a doubt.

You say to bring better quality but better quality commands higher pricing. See how that works? It sounds like you want all of SH to be priced like a bargain basement. Why should anybody with better caliber names want to use SH if their names are habitually underpriced?

There is a reason there is so much garbage there. Majority of the names are hand reg and who can blame anyone on that. It works with the model. Are you going to pay $500 at auction to maybe sell for $2500 minus 30%? Most won’t.

Taming the beast that is a very bloated market with a good amount of low caliber names is where there efforts should be at this point.

Removing seller choices on their own names and privileges is just going to drive more sellers away. And a $10 submission fee would send majority packing.
 
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"what in the hell is SquadHelp?"
You have many excellent points in your post, some of which I will comment more later, but re name, SquadHelp comes from their start as a crowd sourced naming service, which still continues through their contests. I would say their name is appropriate with that focus, of course less obvious if the main focus is to be a curated marketplace.

I am impressed with the innovation and responsiveness of SH but agree with your point that they are allowing too much flexibility in sellers increasing prices. I would allow a small amount of flexibility, but beyond that would require that price changes be approved.

Re acceptance of names, I do see value in the panels, but you are totally right that just because it is a panel, and different names go up against different alternatives, sometimes results vary. They are clearly experts in crowd sourcing, and know more than us about making systems work. I like that the two large brandable places have a different selection process, and the choice and competition is good.

I don't know if the total number of names is a problem, and to some degree you need huge inventory to meet needs of a diverse buyer community. The challenge is to make it easy for them to get to the best choices for what the potential buyer seeks. AI is undoubtedly key in search, and although huge effort, I don't think quite there.

I would suggest that when names are approved as premium it be for a particular time period, maybe 4 years. At the end of that period, if not sold, they would need to go through selection process again. While sellers might not want this, it gives a mechanism for weeding out names that are no longer competitive.

-Bob
 
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Stop letting sellers write their own descriptions and choose their own categories. Buyers want to see the best domain for them, not the domain whose owner is the best at gaming the search engine.
I totally disagree with this one suggestion. Sometimes AI written descriptions miss key points, or simply write meaningless, but grammatically correct, filler. If someone cares enough about a name they think it is worth $2500+ they should care enough to be willing to edit the AI-generated descriptions and keywords. That is one way we as domainers add value for those buying names.

Any effective search system depends critically on the quality of descriptions and keywords/categories. AI can do much of the categorization/description work, but I want human intervention possible when it fails.

One of the main things I like about SH is that unlike BB and BPa I can edit descriptions when I think it is necessary (not all the time). In a small way I use all three brandable marketplaces, but would love the ability to edit at BPa.

-Bob
 
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Thanks for the replies! I would love to discuss this at length.

You have many excellent points in your post, some of which I will comment more later, but re name, SquadHelp comes from their start as a crowd sourced naming service, which still continues through their contests. I would say their name is appropriate with that focus, of course less obvious if the main focus is to be a curated marketplace.

Thanks for the background. I know where the name comes from, but its not appropriate for their current business and should have been changed many years ago.

Darpan says its one of those businesses that was never really meant to take off. Which makes sense and is not uncommon, but clearly the name is an albatross. (BrandBucket has a similar story. I don't particularly like their name either, but at least it makes sense).

BrandBucket also has a similar crowd naming service, of which I cannot recall the name (its a totally separate website/brand). But Margot from BB has talked about how they never want to "downsell" - i.e., push a premium domain customer into a naming contest. Naming contests like those run by SH are counter to the premise of their website (that you need to pay a bit more for something good). So BB keeps those brands separated, and I think that's the right choice.

Sidebar: has anyone on this forum *ever* sold a Premium name at SH via a naming contest? I doubt it. People who want to pay $100-300 to find a name aren't our customers.

Darpan has even said that the best reason to submit names to contests is not that they will ever sell there, but that contest likes will influence the AI search engine and give your names a better chance of being shown to real buyers.

I would suggest that when names are approved as premium it be for a particular time period, maybe 4 years.

That's a terrific idea! I think it would help immensely to re-evaluate names after a set time. Maybe they could auto-reapprove some of them to limit disruption to the buyer experience.

It sounds like you want all of SH to be priced like a bargain basement. Why should anybody with better caliber names want to use SH if their names are habitually underpriced?

Nowhere do I say it should be a bargain basement. In fact, one of the points I raised is that because of the 4x multiplier SH prices everything too cheaply ($2200-4k). They almost never appraise anything in the $5-20k range, compared to i.e., BrandBucket. I think that's a big mistake.

My point was that the prices at SH don't have any basis in quality. Imagine shopping for a car, and the used cars and the luxury cars all have similar price points. Or two used cars which seem identical but one is priced at $10k and one is priced at $40k. That's the current state of SH.

Some buyers are value hunters with lots of time (like a car buyer on Craigslist) and some buyers are willing to pay a premium for curated inventory (like at a reputable dealership). SH is a marketplace that is ostensibly built for that second type of buyer, but is behaving like a company that caters to the value buyers.

@okaydomains
Thanks for this detailed reviews. I agreed with your ideas to improve SH.

Thank you!
 
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One other cue SH could take from Brandbucket is limiting the *frequency* that a buyer can change the prices. I’ve seen domains on the wholesale market where the seller has made dramatic swings in the Retail price multiple times in a month. I’ve avoided buying otherwise viable names just because the current seller has undermined the validity of their pricing signals in the eyes of any potential buyers who are looking at the name. Going with the Brandbucket model where prices changes are more regulated might help restore some authority to the pricing.
 
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