analysis World War III

[oldtimer]

I believe that President Biden was right when he said that Russia is going to Invade Ukraine.

Any intelligent person is going to come to the same conclusion knowing that Russia has already decided to pay any price imposed on it by the West through sanctions.

Short of full military confrontation by the West there is nothing that can make Russia to change its mind as they see this as a golden opportunity to resurrect the once powerful superpower that was equal to the USA.

But Russia’s ambitions are not going to stop with taking over Ukraine since it already has made plans to increase its sphere of influence to Asia, Middle East, and South America and perhaps the whole World knowing that the West is most likely not going to do anything beyond just imposing sanctions which ultimately will hurt the West itself by effecting the Global economy in an adverse way the longer that they go on.

I personally don’t like any of the old ideologies, philosophies, and doctrines of Capitalism, Communism, Socialism, Religious Fundamentalism and all the other “ism” that are derived from the bad human characteristics of Greed, Lust, Hate, Cruelty, Jealousy, Prejudice, and lack of Empathy and that have been infringing on our rights in one way or another throughout the history because they can only exist through supporting inequality, oppression, suppression, torture, killing, and War.

When it comes to saving the World the last thing that I want to see is the further expansion of these old systems that have all already proven to be a failure in dealing with the existential problems that are currently facing Humanity and the Environment.

We don’t want all these political, Religious, and Racial parties and groups to resurrect their past, we want something new that can propel the World into the next Era that is based on the Universal Principles and Values that have been derived through Logic and Compassion and not through Force and Violence.

By “We” I mean all the Intelligent, Righteous, and Peace loving people of the World.

IMO

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[oldtimer]

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[Cannuck]

The only puppet was Trump and his puppet media like Fox. A real puppet of Putin.

Not sure if Trump was a puppet, but he definitely had strings.

Putin himself could be a puppet, tbh.

He is a product of the former Soviet state. I don't see him rising to power without owing his comrads favours.

 

[Sutruk]

Unfortunately even the bravest people can eventually be bombed into submission by a much larger force such as Russia is using in this theater.

Putin can bomb Ukraine, he can even take control due to his way superior army and weapons. But he will never take control nor submit ukrainians. He won't be able to manage and rule ukrainians the same way he is ruling Russia, because ukrainians do not want to be anymore under a dictator control.
Even if the dictator army takes control of big cities, there will be thousands, millions of ukrainians never submitting nor giving up to a dictator order's anymore.
So my bet is that it is IMPOSSIBLE for Putin to take control and maintain this control over all Ukraine. Maybe Donbas region, but surely not all Ukraine.

 

[Sutruk]

This was two days ago. And still under heavy shelling...

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60601235

Mariupol under siege: 'We are being completely cut off'​

Residents of the Ukrainian port city of Mariupol have told the BBC they are trying to survive a relentless barrage of Russian shelling that has smashed residential districts and cut off power and water supplies.

"There has been no light, no heat, and no water now for two full days and we have hardly any food left," said Maxim, 27, an IT developer who was hiding in his grandparents' apartment on Thursday morning.

Mr Orlov still hasn't been able to reach his father, mother and brother, who live together in a residential district that has been heavily bombarded since Monday night, he said.

"I can't reach them by any means, the shelling is continuous."

Alexander, a 44-year-old engineer in the city, said he was sheltering with his wife, two sons and mother in a five-storey building.

"We have been bombed and shelled for five days and right now I can hear shots and bombs non-stop," he said.
"There is still some bread at the shop near us, but we don't know when the food supply will end. What will happen when we run out of our water? What will happen when my phone battery dies? We will have no connection to the outside at all."

 

[Sutruk]

Putin is shelling heavily ukraine cities and mass killing its civilians. The russian dictator is committing the same war crimes that Hitler did. Invading a peaceful country, a democracy, and mass killing their people, children and women included.

Ukrainian towns reduced to rubble after intense Russian shelling​

 

[Reallybigidea.com]

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[DmitrySV]

for knowing the truth you need to learn Russian.

Use CC for english text. There are rumors that Galkovsky is one of Putin's brain operators.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitry_Galkovsky

 

[oldtimer]

So my bet is that it is IMPOSSIBLE for Putin to take control and maintain this control over all Ukraine. Maybe Donbas region, but surely not all Ukraine.

Perhaps at the very beginning Russia's plan was to try to take over all the cities and rule over Ukrainians, but faced with all the fierce resistance it now seems that Russia wants to eradicate all the Ukrainian people or at the very least force them to leave Ukraine (or at least from the Eastern half of it).

I am not sure why NATO with all its military experts and advisers didn't foresee this humanitarian crisis that is now taking place in Ukraine and kept encouraging the Ukrainians to fight a much larger force while knowing very well that it wasn't going to be able to provide them with the no-fly zone to at the very least even things up for them a little.

The only conclusion that I can come to at this point is that perhaps NATO never really cared about what was going to happen to the Ukrainian people at the end as its only goal seems to be to want to use this conflict to diminish Russia as a World power at all costs regardless of how many Ukrainians have to be killed or displaced or even if there is going to be any of the Ukrainian cities left standing.

All NATO had to do was to meet some of Russia's security demands half way to calm Russia down at the very beginning.

(just making an impartial assessment of the situation.)

IMO

 

[branding]

The only conclusion that I can come to at this point is that perhaps NATO never really cared about what was going to happen to the Ukrainian people at the end as its only goal seems to be to want to use this conflict to diminish Russia as a World power at all costs regardless of how many Ukrainians have to be killed or displaced or even if there is going to be any of the Ukrainian cities left standing.

All NATO had to do was to meet some of Russia's security demands half way to calm Russia down at the very beginning.

Sigh.... So you're saying NATO is ultimately responsible for the destruction of the Ukrainian country?

Russia's demands are clear. Meeting them halfway would still leave the country occupied by Putin, men women and children being slaughtered in the process.

You can't trust a word that man says. Cease fire being violated, war crimes going on.

We have 2 options:
1. Declare war and all suffer from the consequences, this will include a shitstorm of consequences for the US fwiw. The moment NATO gets involved the US will get involved... Make no mistake, attacks on US soil will be one of those consequences.
2. Let him go ahead and surrender without resistance and hope for the best. Again, make no mistake, NATO territory will be at severe risk. As will the US.

Either way, the Ukrainian people are fucked. They know it, we know it. All we can do is help them best as we can depending on the situation you're in.

Which means, stand up and send a clear message. Don't blame anyone else but Rusia for this blatant and illegal invasion of a sovereign country for no good reason. Condemn them for committing war crimes. Condemn anyone allowing misinformation to be spread, including this forum.

Stand United with those who are about to die defending the free western world. Open up your homes to provide refuge for those seeking shelter.

 

[oldtimer]

Sigh.... So you're saying NATO is ultimately responsible for the destruction of the Ukrainian country?

Russia's demands are clear. Meeting them halfway would still leave the country occupied by Putin, men women and children being slaughtered in the process.

You can't trust a word that man says. Cease fire being violated, war crimes going on.

We have 2 options:
1. Declare war and all suffer from the consequences, this will include a shitstorm of consequences for the US fwiw. The moment NATO gets involved the US will get involved... Make no mistake, attacks on US soil will be one of those consequences.
2. Let him go ahead and surrender without resistance and hope for the best. Again, make no mistake, NATO territory will be at severe risk. As will the US.

Either way, the Ukrainian people are fucked. They know it, we know it. All we can do is help them best as we can depending on the situation you're in.

Which means, stand up and send a clear message. Don't blame anyone else but Rusia for this blatant and illegal invasion of a sovereign country for no good reason. Condemn them for committing war crimes. Condemn anyone allowing misinformation to be spread, including this forum.

Stand United with those who are about to die defending the free western world. Open up your homes to provide refuge for those seeking shelter.

I don't consider this a lost cause yet, as Ukrainian and Russian delegations are supposed to resume diplomatic talks on Monday,

But what I am saying here is that the Ukrainians have to be smart and realize that in the global political scene there really are no friendships as everyone gives priority to their own agendas and interests above all.

If NATO isn't able to or doesn't want to meet Russia's demands half way perhaps the Ukrainians should be looking for a way to come to an agreement with Russia on their own in order to prevent further deaths and carnage in their homeland.

You have to look at the big picture here, you have to consider everything that has been happening in the past 8 years since the 2014 agreement.

Ukraine is just a victim of a lot of bad and wrong decisions on all sides by the powers who want to get the upper hand over one another in that region.

Nevertheless I condemn the killing of innocent civilians and I feel bad for all people that are being displaced because of all these nasty politics between Europe and Russia.

In my opinion Ukrainians should look after their own interest and try to salvage as much of their Country as they can before it's completely destroyed and that means even if they have to settle for half of what they had before then be it.

IMO

If you still think this war is the result of EU/Russia politics you're beyond help.

It is exactly this kind of ignorance which allowed WW2 to happen.

for me
that's the point where a discussion stops
forever

Goodbye

For you All to be interfering with my right of free speech is a crime against Humanity which I guarantee is going to cost you guys bigtime.

For the record I was prevented to make any new posts in this thread (my own thread) thanks to the unholy alliance between the NamePros admin team of cancel culture and Anonymous.

 

[branding]

Ukrainians should be looking for a way to come to an agreement with Russia on their own in order to prevent further deaths and carnage in their homeland.

I hear you. That would mean surrender and being ruled by Russia. Something tells me that isn't going to happen without a lot of civilians being slaughtered first.

just feel sorry for all the innocent Ukrainian people that are being killed or displaced because of all these nasty politics between Europe and Russia.

If you still think this war is the result of EU/Russia politics you're beyond help.

It is exactly this kind of ignorance which allowed WW2 to happen.

 

[frank-germany]

for knowing the truth you need to learn Russian.

no all you need to know that Putin is killing children for no good reason
right now

 

[frank-germany]

Sigh.... So you're saying NATO is ultimately responsible for the destruction of the Ukrainian country?

for me
that's the point where a discussion stops
forever

 

[branding]

But what I am saying here is that the Ukrainians have to be smart and realize that in the global political scene there really are no friendships as everyone gives priority to their own agendas and interests above all.

Bs. The vast majority of people won't stand for this. We will deal with the backlash. 'After' COVID I was finally able to reopen my office buildings.

Instead decided to make people working from home again repurposing the building to be able to hold up to 50 people seeking refuge. We may not be able to save the country, we sure as hell are able to save the men, women and children.

 

[Reallybigidea.com]

Goodbye.

 

[Sutruk]

This is what Putin is doing in Ukraine. Heavy Shelling Mariupol and killing innocent people, children included.
The russian dictator is mass killing the Ukrainian people indiscriminately and ruthlessly.

Ukraine invasion: Young mother collapses in boyfriend's arms after toddler killed in Russian shell attack​

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-...ddler-killed-in-russian-shell-attack-12558412

"A distraught young Ukrainian mother collapsed in her boyfriend's arms and cried "why, why, why?" after doctors were unable to save her toddler, hit in the head by shrapnel.

Kirill Yatsko, aged 18 months, was fatally injured after his home in the southern port city of Mariupol was shelled in the continuing Russian invasion.

Video footage captures his mother, Marina, and boyfriend Fedor rushing into a hospital with the unconscious child.

Outside, in the corridor, Marina is inconsolable. She stands up, cries "why, why, why", and turns to her boyfriend who, seeing she is not steady on her feet, takes her in his arms and holds her up as she cries on his shoulder.

Marina and Fedor go in to see Kirill, whose body is wrapped in a blanket.

His mother unfolds the blanket, gently touches her dead son's cheek and kisses him, before pulling the cover back over his face.

Conditions in the hospital are bleak, staff there say, as the Russian attack on the encircled city continues.

"We continue working without electricity, weather, and heat," said Dr Evgeniy Dubrov.

"We've worked more than a week without a break."

 

[.X.]

This is what Putin is doing in Ukraine. Heavy Shelling Mariupol and killing innocent people, children included.
The russian dictator is mass killing the Ukrainian people indiscriminately and ruthlessly.

Ukraine invasion: Young mother collapses in boyfriend's arms after toddler killed in Russian shell attack​

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-...ddler-killed-in-russian-shell-attack-12558412

"A distraught young Ukrainian mother collapsed in her boyfriend's arms and cried "why, why, why?" after doctors were unable to save her toddler, hit in the head by shrapnel.

Kirill Yatsko, aged 18 months, was fatally injured after his home in the southern port city of Mariupol was shelled in the continuing Russian invasion.

Video footage captures his mother, Marina, and boyfriend Fedor rushing into a hospital with the unconscious child.

Outside, in the corridor, Marina is inconsolable. She stands up, cries "why, why, why", and turns to her boyfriend who, seeing she is not steady on her feet, takes her in his arms and holds her up as she cries on his shoulder.

Marina and Fedor go in to see Kirill, whose body is wrapped in a blanket.

His mother unfolds the blanket, gently touches her dead son's cheek and kisses him, before pulling the cover back over his face.

Conditions in the hospital are bleak, staff there say, as the Russian attack on the encircled city continues.

"We continue working without electricity, weather, and heat," said Dr Evgeniy Dubrov.

"We've worked more than a week without a break."

The Ukraine government needs to move the civilians who are going to stay in the country completely away from military installations, collateral damage is going to occur , it has happened in every war and conflict through out time … it happened in Iraq and Afghanistan and every other war or conflict that has taken place. So civilians that are not going to join into the war need to be moved , and given humanitarian aid as needed .

The card being played is that Vladimir Putin is ordering military strikes on civilians , I don’t feel that is the case , if civilians are harboring Ukraine military , those will become military targets , Putin said in the very beginning , civilians who wish to leave have two safe harbor paths to do so , Putin also said that the Russian military would avoid any Ukraine civilians as they are not targets.

If civilians “Chose to harbor” Ukraine military , then of course those will become military targets , if civilians decide to take up arms and fight the Russian military , those civilians will become Ukraine military and military targets of the Russian military

 

[.X.]

I hear you. That would mean surrender and being ruled by Russia. Something tells me that isn't going to happen without a lot of civilians being slaughtered first.




If you still think this war is the result of EU/Russia politics you're beyond help.

It is exactly this kind of ignorance which allowed WW2 to happen.

Civilians who Choose to enter the war theater are no longer just civilians , they become military targets . It has been this way since the first war ever fought and has continued in every war throughout time, this war is no different …

Casualties from collateral damage the same .. nothing is happening in this war that didn’t happen in every other war before it. Except this war Carries tons more propaganda than most have

 

[Cannuck]

The bravery and determination demonstrated by the Ukranian people to resist indominable tyranny cannot be understated.

 

[.X.]

The bravery and determination demonstrated by the Ukranian people to resist indominable tyranny cannot be understated.

Which is very brave , but if these civilian Ukrainian people become casualties of this war … no need to post that Putin is killing innocent civilians, the Ukrainian's that are fighting are no longer civilians in the eyes of the Russian military ,,as these civilians will kill Russian military

 

[oldtimer]

The goal should be to stop All Killings immediately.

IMO

 

[.X.]

The goal should be to stop All Killings immediately.

IMO

I agree , but a long with the goal to stop all killings and end this war , the world leaders who are embedded in the New World Initiative need to completely stand down on the initiative , let the world return to normalcy and heal from the provocations that have taken place the last 2 years in their New World Order Initiative.

We have nothing but defensive mechanisms until the cruelty stops to the world’s society, we can not begin healing until it all stops IMO

 

[bmugford]

Hopefully for Russia's sake they don't have elevators in WW3.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1500163090553483264

 

[DmitrySV]

Hopefully for Russia's sake they don't have elevators in WW3.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1500163090553483264

they have this instead:

 

[bmugford]

they have this instead:

I am just hoping their nuclear arsenal is as poorly maintained as the rest of their junky tanks, planes, etc... the vast majority seem to be relics of the past from the 70's and 80's when USSR was a superpower.

The should have paid for the better tires -

How cheap Chinese tires might explain Russia's 'stalled' 40-mile-long military convoy in Ukraine​