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Rich, it's so sad that after 3.5 years you don't understand why it's perfectly reasonable to put these pricetags on these .com domains.

You can't even coherently explain what the key issue is in your mind. Are you upset that good .com domains are so expensive? Or are you upset that other extensions aren't desired by end users?

Verisign's comments were self-serving... They just want to be able to charge more for registrations. What's your ultimate goal?

"Verisign's comments were self-serving"

Yes they were Joe, but they were spot on:xf.wink: As a self proclaimed Wistleblower I call 'em as I see 'em, and comments like these ; "there is also an unregulated secondary market - led by domain speculators - hiding in plain sight. Some domain speculators buy domain names at regulated low prices, then sell them at far higher prices. Even traditional registrars like Go Daddy/Afternic and Huge Domains have become big players in the secondary market and hold large portfolios of domain names for resale. Go Daddy and Huge Domains are not the only ones profiting from .com price caps. Domain speculation, or "domain scalping" as some call it has become a highly profitable industry unto itself. Flipping domain names or warehousing them to create scarcity adds nothing to the industry and merely allows those engaged in this questionable practice to enrich themselves at the expense of consumers and businesses" are proof(y)

Joe...if you want to have a meaningful conversation with me about why I believe .online is a viable alternative to .com let's intelligently address Verisigns comments about the industry. Then after we do that, let's address and discuss my personal experience involving Go Daddy/Afternic and the "secondary market" where I've learned the industry is as unethical and CORRUPT as they come.



 
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"Verisign's comments were self-serving"

Yes they were Joe, but they were spot on:xf.wink: As a self proclaimed Wistleblower I call 'em as I see 'em, and comments like these ; "there is also an unregulated secondary market - led by domain speculators - hiding in plain sight. Some domain speculators buy domain names at regulated low prices, then sell them at far higher prices. Even traditional registrars like Go Daddy/Afternic and Huge Domains have become big players in the secondary market and hold large portfolios of domain names for resale. Go Daddy and Huge Domains are not the only ones profiting from .com price caps. Domain speculation, or "domain scalping" as some call it has become a highly profitable industry unto itself. Flipping domain names or warehousing them to create scarcity adds nothing to the industry and merely allows those engaged in this questionable practice to enrich themselves at the expense of consumers and businesses" are proof(y)

Joe...if you want to have a meaningful conversation with me about why I believe .online is a viable alternative to .com let's intelligently address Verisigns comments about the industry. Then after we do that, let's address and discuss my personal experience involving Go Daddy/Afternic and the "secondary market" where I've learned the industry is as unethical and CORRUPT as they come.
By all means, Rich. What did you want to discuss about them, specifically?
 
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By all means, Rich. What did you want to discuss about them, specifically?
OK Joe....lets start with my personal experience with what Verisign refers to as "domain scalping" and the unethical and CORRUPT nature of the domain industry that's "hiding in plain sight".

As Verisign said, GoDaddy/Afternic is the largest registrar in the world that sells "original" domains to consumers/businesses. In addition, through Afternic (think of them as the used car lot at a car dealership) they sell domains to comusmers/businesses in what is referred to as the aftermarket or secondary market.

As you and others are aware I've been accumulating a portfolio of new gTLD
.online domains. For unknown reasons I wasn't able to execute a purchase of the domain Reservations.online that was clearly for sale at GD for the promotional price of .99 cents. So I reach out to a customer service rep at GD who could see first hand the problems I was having and Rebecca tried to help me execute the sale, but couldn't:xf.frown: Fortunately she was able to write up a trouble ticket to escalate the problem.

Then just five days later I get the following email from Go Daddy;

Dear Valued Customer,

Thank you for contacting Go Daddy. I am a member of our Advanced Technical Support team and would like the thank you for your patience while we investigated this matter. Your request regarding reservations.online has been directed to our department for review. At this time, we have heard back from the registry . The domain is available for a $500,000 one-time price or may be available for a smaller recurring yearly price from other registrars. If you are interested in the one time price, please contact us and we can move forward with the transaction.

Again, thank you for your patience. Please feel free to contact us 24/7 should you need further assistance.

Regards,

Alex M
Advanced Technical Support

Wait Joe....it gets better:xf.smile: After receiving this email I contact my personal rep at GD Mike Fear and he says to me "Something's wrong Rich, but I'll help you get your domain back" So while on the phone and online with Mike, he's able to get the domain reservations.online back into my account, and I immediately printed a copy of the receipt for my records assuming I might need a copy for the Judge or the Court someday.

Story not over yet Joe....three days after this happened Go Daddy takes the domain back again with the only explanation, sorry, your purchase could not be completed.

Prior to all this happening Joe I had a very similar experience with DominionDomains.com aka Dominion.Domains where everything is documented there as well.

Joe...deflect your heart out buddy, but I do thank you for allowing me the opportunity to show others just how unethical and corrupt the domain industry is. Lets see if you you can add anything to our lawsuit in progress:xf.wink:

 
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Rich, it sounds like GoDaddy (for whatever reason) didn't have the proper pricing information displayed for that domain. If you had gone to Radix's get(dot)online site to register the domain directly from them, you would have seen the asking price of $500K for what they consider to be a premium domain name.

I'm not sure what the issue was on the GoDaddy side... possibly a technical glitch? You should ask them for more info to help you fill in the blanks.

A comparable situation would be seeing a house listed on a realtor's website for $1,500 and contacting them immediately to say you want to buy the place, only to be told that a typo had been made and the owner's list price is actually $1.5 million.

There's nothing corrupt about this... Just a technical goof from a registrar that had no authority to sell you that domain at less than $500K.

I'm not sure what legal action will accomplish for you. This isn't GoDaddy's first rodeo... so my guess is that whatever legal jargon you agreed to when you signed up to buy names covers their butts in situations like this. Otherwise they would have to take a $500K bath because Jimmy the data entry clerk forgot to have his morning coffee.

Anyway, I thought you wanted to talk about Verisign's slandering of the domain aftermarket. This seems unrelated.
 
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Rich, it sounds like GoDaddy (for whatever reason) didn't have the proper pricing information displayed for that domain. If you had gone to Radix's get(dot)online site to register the domain directly from them, you would have seen the asking price of $500K for what they consider to be a premium domain name.

I'm not sure what the issue was on the GoDaddy side... possibly a technical glitch? You should ask them for more info to help you fill in the blanks.

A comparable situation would be seeing a house listed on a realtor's website for $1,500 and contacting them immediately to say you want to buy the place, only to be told that a typo had been made and the owner's list price is actually $1.5 million.

There's nothing corrupt about this... Just a technical goof from a registrar that had no authority to sell you that domain at less than $500K.

I'm not sure what legal action will accomplish for you. This isn't GoDaddy's first rodeo... so my guess is that whatever legal jargon you agreed to when you signed up to buy names covers their butts in situations like this. Otherwise they would have to take a $500K bath because Jimmy the data entry clerk forgot to have his morning coffee.

Anyway, I thought you wanted to talk about Verisign's slandering of the domain aftermarket. This seems unrelated.
Not unrelated at all Joe...this situation is very similar to the situation I encountered with with Jim Schrand the President of Dominion Domains. Don't you recall that when he learned I might have an interest to buy HomeSweet.homes I could have purchased it from him for $85 six months earlier, he then emails me he would sell it to me for $64,000:xf.rolleyes: This was shortly after I'd had dinner with Nick Valentino a domain consultant from Chicago who Dominion had hired to help them with their registry. Ironically i had purchased the domain DominionDomains.com to give to Schrand six months earlier, and while on his flight here Nick calls me and asks, Richard did you tell Schrand you would give DominionDomains.com to him? I said sure, and I'd told him that in an email. Thus since I'm a man of my word I transferred the domain to them.

Now back to Dominion and Schrand wanting to sell the domain HomeSweet.homes to me for $64,000. When I got that email, I just about fell out of my chair in disbelief:xf.confused: I then call Schrand and tell him that was undoubtedly the most unethical thing that has happened to me in almost 50 years of business. He then suggests that we meet in person at a local Starbucks to discuss the situation which I reluctantly agreed to do. So we meet, and knowing that I'm friends with and connected to local media, he tells me that he would give me the domain?....essentially I told him I really didn't want his damn domain. Then we parted company, but I have the story to share with the courts, with a judge, or anyone who will listen just how unethical and corrupt this industry is. Isn't this what Verisign was telling everyone about the aftermarket Joe??? With regards to my lawsuit.....you probably didn't notice that Radix has a role in all of this as well, and while it may cost Radix a few bucks, the publicity for the new gTLD .online is priceless:xf.grin:

Then with regards to Verisign Joe, they may end up having to be a witness for the plaintiffs:xf.wink: when the walls come tumbling down.
 
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Not unrelated at all Joe...this situation is very similar to the situation I encountered with with Jim Schrand the President of Dominion Domains. Don't you recall that when he learned I might have an interest to buy HomeSweet.homes I could have purchased it from him for $85 six months earlier, he then emails me he would sell it to me for $64,000:xf.rolleyes: This was shortly after I'd had dinner with Nick Valentino a domain consultant from Chicago who Dominion had hired to help them with their registry. Ironically i had purchased the domain DominionDomains.com to give to Schrand six months earlier, and while on his flight here Nick calls me and asks, Richard did you tell Schrand you would give DominionDomains.com to him? I said sure, and I'd told him that in an email. Thus since I'm a man of my word I transferred the domain to them.

Now back to Dominion and Schrand wanting to sell the domain HomeSweet.homes to me for $64,000. When I got that email, I just about fell out of my chair in disbelief:xf.confused: I then call Schrand and tell him that was undoubtedly the most unethical thing that has happened to me in almost 50 years of business. He then suggests that we meet in person at a local Starbucks to discuss the situation which I reluctantly agreed to do. So we meet, and knowing that I'm friends with and connected to local media, he tells me that he would give me the domain?....essentially I told him I really didn't want his damn domain. Then we parted company, but I have the story to share with the courts, with a judge, or anyone who will listen just how unethical and corrupt this industry is. Isn't this what Verisign was telling everyone about the aftermarket Joe??? With regards to my lawsuit.....you probably didn't notice that Radix has a role in all of this as well, and while it may cost Radix a few bucks, the publicity for the new gTLD .online is priceless:xf.grin:

Then with regards to Verisign Joe, they may end up having to be a witness for the plaintiffs:xf.wink: when the walls come tumbling down.
Yes, you've told that story many times here. Unfortunately, there's not much to comment on without knowing the other side of the story.

I get that you're trying to reflect Verisign's comments in a microcosm of your own personal experience, but I think it would be more beneficial to discuss their comments on a larger scale, since I have no way of verifying any elements of your dealings with others.

Verisign claims to take issue with the fact that companies and individuals register domain names and sell them for a significant profit. So let's start with these simple questions:

Do you agree with them?
Why, or why not?
 
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Yes, you've told that story many times here. Unfortunately, there's not much to comment on without knowing the other side of the story.

I get that you're trying to reflect Verisign's comments in a microcosm of your own personal experience, but I think it would be more beneficial to discuss their comments on a larger scale, since I have no way of verifying any elements of your dealings with others.

Verisign claims to take issue with the fact that companies and individuals register domain names and sell them for a significant profit. So let's start with these simple questions:

Do you agree with them?
Why, or why not?

Do you agree with them ?
ABSOLUTELY!

Why, or why not?

Because I've experienced FIRST HAND the unethical and corrupt nature of the domain industry.


Any more questions Joe:xf.smile:

btw, when Mike Fear at Go Daddy manually got the domain Reservations.online back into my account, was that a technical glitch, or was that something you intentionally overlooked. Joe, you may be able to fool some of the people some of the time, but you'll NEVER fool me:xf.wink:
 
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Do you agree with them ?
ABSOLUTELY!

Why, or why not?

Because I've experienced FIRST HAND the unethical and corrupt nature of the domain industry.


Any more questions Joe:xf.smile:

btw, when Mike Fear at Go Daddy manually got the domain Reservations.online back into my account, was that a technical glitch, or was that something you intentionally overlooked. Joe, you may be able to fool some of the people some of the time, but you'll NEVER fool me:xf.wink:
You're an active part of this industry. Is the whole industry corrupt, or only certain aspects? I'd be interested in hearing more detail about what specifically you find corrupt about the practice of buying and selling domain names for some entities (but not for others).

I can't speak for Mike or anyone else. It could be he made a mistake, or it could be he didn't have all the necessary information at the time. I do know, though, that when you first complained about this issue on NP (before speaking to GoDaddy), the price for that domain at Radix was indeed $500,000. It was right there for all to see, right at the source.

You may think you're waging a battle for justice against a massive corporation, but if your attempted legal action accomplishes anything, it will probably be no more than the reprimanding of some poor GD employee who made a mistake.
 
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Bulloney seems to have a problem with the aftermarket in general, well at least as far as .COM goes.

Investing in .COM = scalping or something.

Investing in some inferior extension like .ONLINE or .Realty. That is totally legit!!!

That is how the free market works. .COM have more value because they have more demand.

It is unclear what argument is actually being made since it is hypocritical and incoherent.

I am sure multi-billion dollar corporations with armies of lawyers are really scared of a lawsuit from "That Name Guy". I hope your lawsuit is more well structured than your rants here are.

As far as Verisign is concerned, they can take their comments and their no-bid contract to run .COM/NET and shove it where the sun don't shine...They have no problem making hundreds of millions yearly in registration fees off domain investors.

I will take their comments more seriously when they agree to enter a competitive tender process to run the .COM/NET registries. I am not going to hold my breath on that.

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You're an active part of this industry. Is the whole industry corrupt, or only certain aspects? I'd be interested in hearing more detail about what specifically you find corrupt about the practice of buying and selling domain names for some entities (but not for others).

I can't speak for Mike or anyone else. It could be he made a mistake, or it could be he didn't have all the necessary information at the time. I do know, though, that when you first complained about this issue on NP (before speaking to GoDaddy), the price for that domain at Radix was indeed $500,000. It was right there for all to see, right at the source.

You may think you're waging a battle for justice against a massive corporation, but if your attempted legal action accomplishes anything, it will probably be no more than the reprimanding of some poor GD employee who made a mistake.

Sure I'm a part of this industry that's plagued with SYSTEMIC GREED. A good comparison is you considering me to be a racist merely because I'm a 73 year old white male who's neither a Democrat or a liberal, but ironically I'm neither a Republican or a conservative.

Joe, my research and analysis will prove to the courts that Go Daddy and the industry as a whole is systemically greedy. I can't count the number of times I've gotten multiple quotes verbally and in writing from Go Daddy for the same domain. How do you account for it Joe?

Then in your effort to prove me wrong you say the asking price for the reservations.online at Radix "was in deed $500,000" Joe, i suggest you go to Get.online, then key Reservations.online and tell me and anyone else that cares where your see 500K. btw, I have a screen print of this for when we see you in court:xf.wink:

Finally, Mike Fear my rep at GD will most likely be my witness. Even though he's been with GD for almost 19 years, he could relate to my customer service complaints and in some cases my outrage when Afternic flat out refused to talk to Go Daddy making you think they were competitors:xf.rolleyes:

Joe...i could go on and on, but Verisigns comments about the domain industry being systemically greedy are spot on. I guess I owe you and NamePros and Verisign a big thank you(y)


Thank you!!















 
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Bulloney seems to have a problem with the aftermarket in general, well at least as far as .COM goes.

Investing in .COM = scalping or something.

Investing in some inferior extension like .ONLINE or .Realty. That is totally legit!!!

That is how the free market works. .COM have more value because they have more demand.

It is unclear what argument is actually being made since it is hypocritical and incoherent.

I am sure multi-billion dollar corporations with armies of lawyers are really scared of a lawsuit from "That Name Guy". I hope your lawsuit is more well structured than your rants here are.

As far as Verisign is concerned, they can take their comments and their no-bid contract to run .COM/NET and shove it where the sun don't shine...They have no problem making hundreds of millions yearly in registration fees off domain investors.

I will take their comments more seriously when they agree to enter a competitive tender process to run the .COM/NET registries. I am not going to hold my breath on that.

Brad
Brad my boy....you'll be taking Verisigns comments more seriously when they're forced to confirm and repeat them under oath. Stat tuned:xf.wink:

Thank you!!!
 
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Sure I'm a part of this industry that's plagued with SYSTEMIC GREED. A good comparison is you considering me to be a racist merely because I'm a 73 year old white male who's neither a Democrat or a liberal, but ironically I'm neither a Republican or a conservative.

Joe, my research and analysis will prove to the courts that Go Daddy and the industry as a whole is systemically greedy. I can't count the number of times I've gotten multiple quotes verbally and in writing from Go Daddy for the same domain. How do you account for it Joe?

Then in your effort to prove me wrong you say the asking price for the reservations.online at Radix "was in deed $500,000" Joe, i suggest you go to Get.online, then key Reservations.online and tell me and anyone else that cares where your see 500K. btw, I have a screen print of this for when we see you in court:xf.wink:

Finally, Mike Fear my rep at GD will most likely be my witness. Even though he's been with GD for almost 19 years, he could relate to my customer service complaints and in some cases my outrage when Afternic flat out refused to talk to Go Daddy making you think they were competitors:xf.rolleyes:

Joe...i could go on and on, but Verisigns comments about the domain industry being systemically greedy are spot on. I guess I owe you and NamePros and Verisign a big thank you(y)

Bringing up racism is quite off-topic, so maybe we could keep the discussion more focused.

It looks like Radix is no longer offering the one-time purchase price (i.e. no renewal required) of $500K for that domain name. That must have been a limited time offering. The only option now seems to be to buy it for approx. $31K for the year and renew it annually for the same amount.

Maybe we can get into the specifics of why you find the domain industry to be corrupt, unethical, and/or systemically greedy. You've mentioned a few things:
  • Domain owners changing prices without notice.
  • Domain marketplaces and investors amassing large portfolios of names and selling them at what you consider to be unfair prices.
  • The high prices of .com names in comparison to other extensions.
Are those the main issues? Just want to confirm, and then we can tackle each one separately.
 
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Bringing up racism is quite off-topic, so maybe we could keep the discussion more focused.

It looks like Radix is no longer offering the one-time purchase price (i.e. no renewal required) of $500K for that domain name. That must have been a limited time offering. The only option now seems to be to buy it for approx. $31K for the year and renew it annually for the same amount.

Maybe we can get into the specifics of why you find the domain industry to be corrupt, unethical, and/or systemically greedy. You've mentioned a few things:
  • Domain owners changing prices without notice.
  • Domain marketplaces and investors amassing large portfolios of names and selling them at what you consider to be unfair prices.
  • The high prices of .com names in comparison to other extensions.
Are those the main issues? Just want to confirm, and then we can tackle each one separately.

Much of this seems to be going over your head Joe. Verisign and I both have told you how systemically corrupt this industry is, and I've experienced it FIRST HAND:xf.eek:

Exposing corruption in the domain industry is at the crux of my marketing plan. When I can honestly, sincerely and distinctly share the corruption with "end users" it will only add to my credibility. Much to your chagrin I already have a good reputation outside the domain world.

I haven't taught my first class yet on the corruption that plagues this industry, but I can assure you that Verisign will be my top assistant:xf.wink: Stay tuned.

Thank you!!!
 
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Much of this seems to be going over your head Joe. Verisign and I both have told you how systemically corrupt this industry is, and I've experienced it FIRST HAND:xf.eek:

Exposing corruption in the domain industry is at the crux of my marketing plan. When I can honestly, sincerely and distinctly share the corruption with "end users" it will only add to my credibility. Much to your chagrin I already have a good reputation outside the domain world.

I haven't taught my first class yet on the corruption that plagues this industry, but I can assure you that Verisign will be my top assistant:xf.wink: Stay tuned.
Rich, you started this thread to have a meaningful conversation about your stance on the domain industry and your opinions on Verisign's statement, but you seem to be shutting it down before the discussion has started.
 
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Rich, you started this thread to have a meaningful conversation about your stance on the domain industry and your opinions on Verisign's statement, but you seem to be shutting it down before the discussion has started.

Again you missed it Joe, my opinion on Verisigns statement is that I agree with it 100% Here it is again in case you missed it;

"But there is also an unregulated secondary market – led by domain speculators – hiding in plain sight. There, some speculators buy domain names at regulated low prices, then sell them at a far higher price. This secondary market is as old as the domain name system itself. However, since the wholesale price cap was imposed on .com in 2012, the secondary market has expanded in ways that exploit consumers. Look at the website HugeDomains.com – owned by registrar TurnCommerce – where nearly four million .com domain names are warehoused and offered for sale: • None are offered below $195, and 90 percent of their names are priced above $1,000. • The average price is roughly $2,500 per domain – a markup of more than thirty thousand percent (30,000%) over the regulated wholesale price of $7.85. o That’s a profit margin of over 99 percent on each sale
o At these prices, the value of the HugeDomains’ inventory is nearly $10 billion • Many of HugeDomains’ names have incredibly high price tags. Here are a few examples from their website, as of November 1, 2018: o NeighborhoodWatch.com for $1.25 million o Margin.com is $3.5 million o Glossary.com is offered at $7.5 million o Even the fluff in their inventory isn’t cheap – Fluff.com is listed at $325,000 And yet, TurnCommerce has been actively lobbying our government to freeze the wholesale price of .com domain names. When they can buy .com names at capped wholesale prices, and mark them up to $2,500, $50,000, $1 million, or even $7 million, does anyone believe they are lobbying for continued price caps in order to protect consumers? Even traditional registrars like GoDaddy have become big players in the secondary market and hold large portfolios of domain names for resale. GoDaddy’s public filings show it has spent over $100 million buying domain names for resale purposes. GoDaddy holds these domain names and then offers them to consumers and small businesses at prices that are often thousands of times the wholesale price. There’s nothing in GoDaddy’s public filings about its profits from this practice, but GoDaddy claims its domain name portfolio is worth $2.5 billion.
TurnCommerce and GoDaddy are not the only ones profiting from .com price caps. Domain speculation, or “domain scalping,” as some call it, has become a highly profitable industry unto itself. In fact, one of the top domain name speculators in this market reports a net worth of $500 million. These speculators even have their own lobbying group, the Internet Commerce Association (ICA), where TurnCommerce and GoDaddy are members via their subsidiaries NameBright and Afternic. Ironically, in this speculators’ market, the price control on .com domain names serves only to reduce the cost of domain names bought by these speculators. Domain speculator Frank Schilling stated that the .com price cap “…has given the [domain speculation] industry a shot in the arm,” in a Jan. 2017 podcast interview. Flipping domain names or warehousing them to create scarcity adds nothing to the industry and merely allows those engaged in this questionable practice to enrich themselves at the expense of consumers and businesses. So how large is this market? The answer may shock you. Verisign estimates that over $1 billion in annual secondary-market sales of .com domain names can be documented through publicly available data. Several domain speculators believe the size of the total market is $2-3 billion a year. Perhaps $1.5 billion is closer to the actual number, which is about equal to the total annual pre-tax domain name revenue of all ICANN registry services providers combined, including Verisign.
Recently, some who profit most from the unregulated secondary domain market have been lobbying our government to freeze .com wholesale prices. They say their goal is to protect small businesses and consumers. But their business models and domain resale prices show that their real goal is to preserve the profits they earn from .com price caps. In fact, the real opportunity for consumer savings would come from reducing or eliminating the more than $1 billion per year in scalping fees that businesses and consumers pay today. The bottom line is this: Since our government continues to regulate .com prices, then we should make sure that price regulation actually benefits consumers, instead of contributing over a billion dollars to domain speculators every year. How can we ensure that the intended benefits of the .com price caps actually accrue to consumers? Stay tuned – that question will be tackled in my next blog post, where I’ll explore this question with industry experts. You’ll be surprised at how simple and effective some of the answers will be. SHARE"

JEANNIE MCPHERSON Director of Product Management, Social Media and Mobile Applications. Jeannie McPherson is Director of Product Management for Verisign’s social media and mobile initiatives. An avid social media and domain name enthusiast, Jeannie is responsible for managing the development and implementation of products and campaigns designed to illustrate the value of domain name registration for use with social media and mobile.
 
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Again you missed it Joe, my opinion on Verisigns statement is that I agree with it 100%
I know, but it sounded like you were interested in having a more in-depth discussion of your concerns, and on what you think can or should be done to address them.

We can start with the first bullet I listed in my post above:
  • Domain owners changing prices without notice.
You've had personal experience with this, and you've said that you find it to be unethical. Why is that?

What sorts of changes would you like to see that could address this issue?
 
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I know, but it sounded like you were interested in having a more in-depth discussion of your concerns, and on what you think can or should be done to address them.

We can start with the first bullet I listed in my post above:
  • Domain owners changing prices without notice.
You've had personal experience with this, and you've said that you find it to be unethical. Why is that?

What sorts of changes would you like to see that could address this issue?

Ethics refers to well-founded standards of right and wrong that prescribe what humans ought to do, usually in terms of rights, obligations, benefits to society, fairness, or specific virtues. Ethics, for example, refers to those standards that impose the reasonable obligations to refrain from stealing, extortion and usury.
 
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Ethics refers to well-founded standards of right and wrong that prescribe what humans ought to do, usually in terms of rights, obligations, benefits to society, fairness, or specific virtues. Ethics, for example, refers to those standards that impose the reasonable obligations to refrain from stealing, extortion and usury.
Nice copy/paste work there, Rich.

Now that we know how scu.edu defines ethics, can we hear your own thoughts on the practice of domain owners changing prices of their names? Or on any of the other two points I mentioned previously?
 
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Nice there, Rich.

Now that we know how scu.edu defines ethics, can we hear your own thoughts on the practice of domain owners changing prices of their names? Or on any of the other two points I mentioned previously?
Lol...that actually came from my Kiwanis manual. I've been instrumental in presenting ethics awards to elementary, middle school and high school students for the last 30 years. You might say I know a little more about ethics than most people you know Joe.

I'm pretty busy now with my team and our plans to show consumers and businesses there's a viable and affordable alternative to .com:xf.wink: That's all the time I have for you now Joe.

Thank You Verisign!!!
 
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Lol...that actually came from my Kiwanis manual. I've been instrumental in presenting ethics awards to elementary, middle school and high school students for the last 30 years. You might say I know a little more about ethics than most people you know Joe.

I'm pretty busy now with my team and our plans to show consumers and businesses there's a viable and affordable alternative to .com:xf.wink: That's all the time I have for you now Joe.
No rush, Rich. Looking forward to the discussion whenever you find the time.

As a general rule, I don't have any issues with domain owners raising and lowering prices without notice. Retailers are allowed to do this too, but generally don't engage in wild price fluctuations since it would damage their reputation and hurt their ability to compete.

The big difference between retail goods and domains is uniqueness. If I really want to own JoesDomains.com, I have no other alternative but to pay what the owner is asking. Yes, I could use another extension, or a variation on the name, but ultimately I'd be settling. That uniqueness (and dearth of exact same options) is what gives domain owners the power to raise prices as they see fit based on presumed interest in their name.

Your goal is to show consumers that .online is an option equally viable to .com. While technically it is, the reality is that public perception and marketability makes .com much much stronger even though technically the two extensions can be used in the same way.

This isn't right or wrong... It's the nature of the free market. Eventually one or two brands/products will always rise above all the rest. In many cases it happens for no reason other than public perception. And while I commend your eventual efforts to change that perception, it's quite a massive undertaking, particularly when you're talking about a global acceptance of .com as being synonymous with trust and authority on the internet (and of course many ccTLDs being a respectable alternative).

I wish you and your .Online SuperTeam well!
 
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No rush, Rich. Looking forward to the discussion whenever you find the time.

As a general rule, I don't have any issues with domain owners raising and lowering prices without notice. Retailers are allowed to do this too, but generally don't engage in wild price fluctuations since it would damage their reputation and hurt their ability to compete.

The big difference between retail goods and domains is uniqueness. If I really want to own JoesDomains.com, I have no other alternative but to pay what the owner is asking. Yes, I could use another extension, or a variation on the name, but ultimately I'd be settling. That uniqueness (and dearth of exact same options) is what gives domain owners the power to raise prices as they see fit based on presumed interest in their name.

Your goal is to show consumers that .online is an option equally viable to .com. While technically it is, the reality is that public perception and marketability makes .com much much stronger even though technically the two extensions can be used in the same way.

This isn't right or wrong... It's the nature of the free market. Eventually one or two brands/products will always rise above all the rest. In many cases it happens for no reason other than public perception. And while I commend your eventual efforts to change that perception, it's quite a massive undertaking, particularly when you're talking about a global acceptance of .com as being synonymous with trust and authority on the internet (and of course many ccTLDs being a respectable alternative).

I wish you and your .Online SuperTeam well!

Joe.....don't look now, but the HOARD and GOUGE factor so eloquently stated by Verisign has already swayed some "public perception", and I'm just the one to carry the message forward. The public doesn't know what you and I know Joe....that's what Verisign meant by an industry "Hiding in plain sight".

Wait 'til you hear MyMessage.online Joe....prepare to cry foul:xf.wink:
 
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Joe.....don't look now, but the HOARD and GOUGE factor so eloquently stated by Verisign has already swayed some "public perception", and I'm just the one to carry the message forward. The public doesn't know what you and I know Joe....that's what Verisign meant by an industry "Hiding in plain sight".

Wait 'til you hear MyMessage.online Joe....prepare to cry foul:xf.wink:
Yeah... so anytime you're up for that discussion, just let me know.
 
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Yeah... so anytime you're up for that discussion, just let me know.
Joe...when it comes to Verisign, "Pot Calling the Kettle Black" seems to fit their narrative. I'm so glad I've been able to educate my Virginia lawyer who specializes in trademark and intellectual property law what an absolute fraud and corrupt industry we're a part of. I know why I participate, why is it that you participate Joe?
 
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Joe...when it comes to Verisign, "Pot Calling the Kettle Black" seems to fit their narrative. I'm so glad I've been able to educate my Virginia lawyer who specializes in trademark and intellectual property law what an absolute fraud and corrupt industry we're a part of. I know why I participate, why is it that you participate Joe?
Like everyone else on the forum, I participate to make money. Your reason for participating, and your inability to stay focused on a discussion, is likely why you don't get any engagement on your threads anymore.
 
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Like everyone else on the forum, I participate to make money. Your reason for participating, and your inability to stay focused on a discussion, is likely why you don't get any engagement on your threads anymore.
I'm not seeking engagement from anyone except from you and a few others Joe, and it seems to be working.

Thank you!!!....and thank you VERISIGN!!!
 
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