various Discuss and Report Any Details of Domain Name Sales

[Scotty205]

Got my second domain sale today! New Orleans + 2 keywords .com for $300.00 to end user. I emailed 28 companies and got a call and closed the deal.

 

[boker]

Ok, one last try:

$43MM, if true, is the revenue that is the gross sales. After paying the owners and card companies, the companies net sales would be about 5% of that or $2.15MM. Over many years?

Peanuts compared to Afternic, which probably makes as much in a month.

Simon, the CEO from dan stated almost a year ago that they have passed 100 millions in sales( the info you can find it at dan.com as well), so in almost a year later they have sold way more. As I see it, the 43 millions is comission, after paying sellers, from that you will deduct taxes, empoyees and what's left. The same for 2019, 20 millions is after paying buyers, from that you deduct all the other expanses.

 

[Recons.Com]

Simon, the CEO from dan stated almost a year ago that they have passed 100 millions in sales( the info you can find it at dan.com as well), so in almost a year later they have sold way more. As I see it, the 43 millions is comission, after paying sellers, from that you will deduct taxes, empoyees and what's left. The same for 2019, 20 millions is after paying buyers, from that you deduct all the other expanses.

This is not true and you know it. Otherwise, you would have provided the link to DAN site claiming that 43MM is commission. Which would require almost $1 billion in sales to get there. And for 20MM in 2019, they'd need almost half a billion in sales in a year, or if they haven't deducted credit card charges, a quarter of a billion. So, hence, a lie.

 

[boker]

This is not true and you know it. Otherwise, you would have provided the link to DAN site claiming that 43MM is commission. Which would require almost $1 billion in sales to get there. And for 20MM in 2019, they'd need almost half a billion in sales in a year, or if they haven't deducted credit card charges, a quarter of a billion. So, hence, a lie.

So, you are saying that dan.com lying on their website that they have passed 100 million a year ago? Maybe the 43 millions will not work out properly, but you keep forgetting that undeveloped has switched to 9% commission only in 2018, until then is was higher and they probably have revenue from installments and other stuff, that are not included in their calculation until the sales are payed fully.

 

[Windoms]

So, you are saying that dan.com lying on their website that they have passed 100 million a year ago? Maybe the 43 millions will not work out properly, but you keep forgetting that undeveloped has switched to 9% commission only in 2018, until then is was higher and they probably have revenue from installments and other stuff, that are not included in their calculation until the sales are payed fully.

Theres no way in the universe dan's selling more than afternic.

1/ That 43 million figure you took from rocketreach is revenue.
Would require like 400million in domain sales on that 9% commission.
Than you remove costs and you get net income.
Total net income, since 2012.
That rocketreach page also says undeveloped has 100 employees, which you know is not true.

2/ When dan says theyve passed 100 million $ in domain sales.
It means 9 million $ revenue on 9% commission.
100 million in total sales, since 2012.

3/ In 2018 alone, uniregistry brokerage has sold 50 million $ in domains.

 

[boker]

Theres no way in the universe dan's selling more than afternic.

1/ That 43 million figure you took from rocketreach is revenue.
Would require like 400million in domain sales on that 9% commission.
Than you remove costs and you get net income.
Total net income, since 2012.
That rocketreach page also says undeveloped has 100 employees, which you know is not true.

2/ When dan says theyve passed 100 million $ in domain sales.
It means 9 million $ revenue on 9% commission.
100 million in total sales, since 2012.

3/ In 2018 alone, uniregistry brokerage has sold 50 million $ in domains.

1. Revenue is for all of them, revenue means commission received,after the transaction was finalized. 43 means revenue from 2015(I don't know from where you took 2012, they started in 2014 but started trading properly only in 2015)My account with them is from end of 2015 -beginning of 2016 and we were literally only a few guys using them and I never heard of any sales until 2017)
2 again 2015 not 2012, and until 2017 they were properly dead, just from 2018 people started selling through them so mostly for two years, 2018-2019( so something like 20 millions revenue in 2019, 10-15 millions in 2018 and the rest in the other 3 years, sounds pretty accurate)Again, 2015, not 2012 and the 9% is from 2018, before that it was much higher...you are still throwing numbers, but I was with them from 2015 so I know of this from my experience I would like to see 10 guys here who had sales with them in 2015-2016, I can bet you will not find to many of them(they were like any other small marketplace) 2018 was the year they were launched at big scale
Also, when somebody is saying that they have passed 100 millions, it's just a round number, they will not give the proper numbers, if I remember properly, this was in 2019, in another discussion in the undeveloped thread, when others were arguing that undeveloped doesn't make to many sales, and Simon said they passed 100 millions
3 From brokerage you take something like 5%-to 15% of the total sale, so from 50 millions brokered, their revenue was 5-10 millions and you add the domain registration of ngtlds, so the total revenue is around 20 millions, which I was saying
By the way, the 100 employees could also be true, because I don't know how is in US, but here in Europe, even if one guy is working for you one hour or one day, if you don't have a contract with him as in company to company, you need to register him as hired, even only for a few days. So, in a year, dan.com could hire 10-20-50 software developers to launch a new update( but to use them only a few days or so), they could hire marketing guys and so on.

 

[Windoms]

Ok 2014, my bad.

https://www.namepros.com/threads/da...e-official-thread.1148567/page-8#post-7407032

Reza said in septemver 2019
"We sell close to 2 million a month".
25 million a year in sales.
9% commission
Approx 2.5 million a year in revenue.

Uni 15% brokerage commission of 50 million.
7.5 million a year in revenue.

Dude, DAN is a small, innovative, flexible company thats been offering a great solution.
Other than that, you just cant compare them to afternic, a company that has been dominating domain sales forever.
Which is they were acquired by godaddy.
Uniregistry, with a professional team of brokers, sales volume, and a great platform used by pro domainers, was a disturbing threat; which is why they were also acquired.

A domainer that doesnt list his/her domains on afternic is a mad domainer, its common sense..

Cant say the same with dan epik sedo uni..

Undeveloped was charging 15% in 2016.
Lets assume 20% in 2015..
It would have required 200 million in sales in 2015 alone to achieve 40 million revenue for that year..

Aside from that, I think your mistake was not overestimating DAN but underestimating afternic.

Afternic has 15 million currently listed domains.
When a domain expires or changes ownership (or whois data), it goes under review and is delisted from the platform.
So I believe those are 15 million active listings, real domains, real sellers.

Lets be very nice,
0.1% sell through
15.000 domains sold every year
Average sales prics 2000$
30 million a year in sales
Fat, chunky 20% commission
6 milllion in revenue

1% sell through
60 million in revenue.

 

[boker]

Ok 2014, my bad.

https://www.namepros.com/threads/da...e-official-thread.1148567/page-8#post-7407032

Reza said in septemver 2019
"We sell close to 2 million a month".
25 million a year in sales.
9% commission
Approx 2.5 million a year in revenue.

Uni 15% brokerage commission of 50 million.
7.5 million a year in revenue.

Dude, DAN is a small, innovative, flexible company thats been offering a great solution.
Other than that, you just cant compare them to afternic, a company that has been dominating domain sales forever.
Which is they were acquired by godaddy.
Uniregistry, with a professional team of brokers, sales volume, and a great platform used by pro domainers, was a disturbing threat; which is why they were also acquired.

A domainer that doesnt list his/her domains on afternic is a mad domainer, its common sense..

Cant say the same with dan epik sedo uni..

Undeveloped was charging 15% in 2016.
Lets assume 20% in 2015..
It would have required 200 million in sales in 2015 alone to achieve 40 million revenue for that year..

Aside from that, I think your mistake was not overestimating DAN but underestimating afternic.

Afternic has 15 million currently listed domains.
When a domain expires or changes ownership (or whois data), it goes under review and is delisted from the platform.
So I believe those are 15 million active listings, real domains, real sellers.

Lets be very nice,
0.1% sell through
15.000 domains sold every year
Average sales prics 2000$
30 million a year in sales
Fat, chunky 20% commission
6 milllion in revenue

1% sell through
60 million in revenue.

Ok, it's not about 9% or 15%, they have started in 2014 mostly for trading/brokering, when I've started in 2015 they were trading long time before and probably they setup the company at the beginning to sell their own domains and a few other 'in house' domainers, the rest of us didn't really used them.The idea is that they have catched all the 2015 chinese boom and my understanding is that they were trading big time, hundreds of numerals and others at a time, they were not the only one's, lot's of other experienced guys were doing it and lot's of them made millions/tens of millions. Nobody knows exactly how much did everybody, but lot's of them did it. That gave them momentum and by the end of chinese boom, in the middle of 2016, probaby they were ready(and had time now) to start a marketplace. Undeveloped was not the only one started in this times, there were a few others, but hey have survived because of this momentum and at the end of 2017, after the epik story, they decide to scale up everything. In conclusion, nobody knows how much money they did during that times, but 43 millions in revenue in 5 years doesn't seem to much.
Regarding afternic, I can tell you about a domain of mine, from 2016 that I've dropped and I've forgot to delete, in 2019 it was still listed at afternic, so that says a lot about how many of them are still really for sale. There are domains listed there for lots of years and nobody can be sure that they are still available for sale. Also, if you try to buy a few expired or even hand regs, you should know better that that lot's of them are listed already and it take's ages to contact them to remove them. My guess is that even they don't know how many of them are really for sale, but the number sounds good, so probably they have decided to leave them there. So, based on my experience and seeing how many of them are already listed, I would guess that less than half are really for sale. Also, if you check the reported sales from afternic, there are lots of xxxx sales, but also lots of xxx sales, so you can't really average at 2k, I would say the average it's much lower. You don't see to often xxxxx sales at afternic. Check this out:
https://www.zoominfo.com/c/afterniccom-inc/1066390 and the same data you will find it at owler and a few other companies dealing with this stuff, accurate or not, these is what we have. Regarding the math and with all I know, I would guess that they have around 20k sales at an average of 1k( we are not even talking about the $50-$75-$99 listings from afternic) That would be 20 millions, at 20% commission, that's 4 millions and everybody knows that 90% of their sales are through fast transfer network, so they need to share this with all the registrars and partners, so in the end the 2 millions, more or less sounds good for me, until they will decide to share the exact numbers.
Also, check this out: https://www.dnb.com/business-direct...crowcom.52409cc443068bbd18d883e7d8259d07.html Everybody was thinking that they should do more money than 3 millions in revenue, but at 3% commission, that's around 100 millions in trade a year, so it seems pretty accurate. Again, I can't vouch for any of this data, but this is the only data we have.

 

[Windoms]

All registrars are selling for afternic.
All domainers are getting most their sales through afternic.

Your mistake was putting that network against a lander.

 

[howudoin8]

Hand registered this one in 2018 and paid two renewals.

Show attachment 164553

Did you registered this name because of search volume stats? If yes, then which tool you use to check search volume?

or is there some other reason?

 

[Joe N]

Did you registered this name because of search volume stats? If yes, then which tool you use to check search volume?

or is there some other reason?

Just used a simple Google search for this one. Veteran home loans seem to be a pretty big thing in the US, and at the time there was even a site built on the singular version of the name.

Normally I wouldn't bother with a four word, weirdly specific domain... but when it comes to loans and insurance, there seems to be a market for weirdly specific niche names. I've sold a couple insurance names in this vein as well.

I think buyers typically use them for lead generation and promotion. I suppose any leg up helps in really competitive industries.

I'm on the fence about renewing these types of names each year, but I keep clinging to them.

 

[premkumar]

Namebio shows buybuy.com last sold for 11,500 USD

buybuy.com 11,500 USD 2017-09-11 NameJet

 

[blogspotter]

Namebio shows buybuy.com last sold for 11,500 USD

buybuy.com 11,500 USD 2017-09-11 NameJet

He said Hold time 2 years. He might have acquired it in 2018 for lesser. Happens all the time after somebody overpays for a domain and sells out at a loss. Not all sales are reported to NameBio.

 

[PhongSGC]

but if bought 11k for a com, why they didnt pay a tiny fee to renew?

He said Hold time 2 years. He might have acquired it in 2018 for lesser. Happens all the time after somebody overpays for a domain and sells out at a loss. Not all sales are reported to NameBio.

 

[NickB]

but if bought 11k for a com, why they didnt pay a tiny fee to renew?

You would have to ask them - anything else is just speculation.........

 

[blogspotter]

Did you registered this name because of search volume stats? If yes, then which tool you use to check search volume?

or is there some other reason?

Install Surfer Chrome Plugin and you will get search volume on the google search page itself.

 

[blogspotter]

but if bought 11k for a com, why they didnt pay a tiny fee to renew?

He said he purchased it for 2577.
Also almost every domains that are reported here have been bought at closeouts, namejet, dropcatch.. I am just giving the possible reasons, in response to the question that it was last sold on NameBio for 12000

 

[TauseefKhan]

@DNGear your sales are interesting - I request you to create a separate sales post in which you can continually post your sales - and users like us can ask questions. I think one post is enough by one user which can be continued for all reported sales... this way, it will be in one thread by an individual seller.

In fact, I request everyone to do the same so we can have a separate thread for QNA for each seller.

 

[Joe N]

@DNGear your sales are interesting - I request you to create a separate sales post in which you can continually post your sales - and users like us can ask questions. I think one post is enough by one user which can be continued for all reported sales... this way, it will be in one thread by an individual seller.

In fact, I request everyone to do the same so we can have a separate thread for QNA for each seller.

We actually have a separate discussion thread for all sales:

https://www.namepros.com/threads/discuss-and-report-any-details-of-domain-name-sales.998009/

Moderators usually come through here once in a while and move discussion content over there.

 

[TauseefKhan]

@Joe Nichols I think, each seller can have a separate QNA sales thread. and he/she can always link that in this thread whenever reported sales are posted here by that particular seller. Anyway, thanks for that link.

 

[coolhands]

buybuy.com $95,000

https://namebio.com/buybuy.com

you sold almi.com for $117,500 on 2020-08-14 and after a week you sold buybuy.com for $95,000 ! Mmmm there is something fishy here.

it's seem like both are fake sales, Nice trick, So after you can sell both names for Real and for a mid 5 figure easily because they was already sold in the past for a higher price.

If not, Please mention which platform you complete the deals so we can verify the sales.

Thanks,
Coolhands

 

[bazabizo]

you sold almi.com for $117,500 on 2020-08-14 and after a week you sold buybuy.com for $95,000 ! Mmmm there is something fishy here.

it's seem like both are fake sales, Nice trick, So after you can sell both names for Real and for a mid 5 figure easily because they was already sold in the past for a higher price.

If not, Please mention which platform you complete the deals so we can verify the sales.

Thanks,
Coolhands

What is fishy as well is that that ASZ.com domain has been stolen since 2007, then someone from NP just bought it off an auction and took a hard time from fellow members here. I wonder how Namebio takes his input as credible?

 

[coolhands]

What is fishy as well is that that ASZ.com domain has been stolen since 2007, then someone from NP just bought it off an auction and took a hard time from fellow members here. I wonder how Namebio takes his input as credible?

That's what i'm talking about, He probably hijack the domain ASZ.com with a Domain phishing (Scam page) technique. I'm a Certified Ethical Hacker (CEH), And I know what I'm saying.

namepros staff must investigate that, and track he's IP login History, I think he is Algerian.

 

[Samer]

@lambo.com

WTF is ASZ.com?

Can you share how you used this venue to get that much money for “buybuy.com”?

Never heard of it; Nd re-directs to a “.network”

 

[slader23]

That's what i'm talking about, He probably hijack the domain ASZ.com with a Domain phishing (Scam page) technique. I'm a Certified Ethical Hacker (CEH), And I know what I'm saying.

What is fishy as well is that that ASZ.com domain has been stolen since 2007, then someone from NP just bought it off an auction and took a hard time from fellow members here. I wonder how Namebio takes his input as credible?

@lambo.com

WTF is ASZ.com?

Can you share how you used this venue to get that much money for “buybuy.com”?

Never heard of it; Nd re-directs to a “.network”

Guys....If you want to throw accusations towards someone else's sales I suggest you create an individual thread outside of this one to keep things clean.....and on topic.

 

[Samer]

Guys....If you want to throw accusations towards someone else's sales I suggest you create an individual thread outside of this one to keep things clean.....and on topic.

Huh?

I just question the venue.

ASZ.com is credible? No accusations from me

Swear i would ask same question be it anyone