domain What do you think about my new gTLD domain? Advice thread.

[Brands.International]

In this thread, I will give you my opinion about your submitted new gTLD domain name.

I will focus not only on its numerical appraisal, but also will take other factors into consideration (mainly renewal fee and what you do with the name, where it is presented, etc), to debate whether it is a good investment choice (in my opinion). Just because I am a new gTLD investor it does not mean that I will give good opinion on crappy names - so I will tell you when I see no value or potential. To see examples of new gTLD domain names I personally invest in, you can check my website www.brands.international.

Rules:
1. Only 1 new gTLD domain name can be submitted daily per 1 Namepros user.
2. This thread is related to new gTLD domain names only - I can not give you my opinion about .com, .net, org or ccTLD names like .de or .co.uk names, as I do not have enough direct experience with them.
3. I am not responsible for any damages related to my advice - it is only my personal opinion, although I will really try my best to give reasonable, and well-balanced opinion.
4. You can submit only domain name you personally own.
5. For security and privacy purposes, all names submitted and discussed in replies must be in
keyword(s) / gTLD extension format (for example royal / estate, or bestgames / online)
6. Comments/opinions/appraisals from other members on any name submitted here are very welcome ​

 

[Brands.International]

FYI

usa recipes.com was once sold for $245 (2008-05-28 GoDaddy)

now owned by BuyDomains (they handregged it in 2011 after it was dropped)
they also selling US recipes.com
asking $4,288 each

the only geo + recipes names reported sold over $1,000 are:

- caribbean $3,300 2009
- german $2,055 2005
- italian (.net) $1,088 2010

..so american.recipes would of probably been better but you are late
i would even question if "usa recipes" makes any sense

googling "usa recipes" brings next to nothing useful or promising from a domaining pov

top 10 "recipes" sales:

bestrecipes.com    45,000 USD    2012-01-31
pressurecookerrecipes.com    39,600 USD    2017-04-27
smoothierecipes.com    35,000 USD    2014-09-03
drinkrecipes.com    35,000 USD    2008-02-13
cookierecipes.com    19,999 USD    2015-10-12
chickenrecipes.com    19,000 USD    2008-11-11
homemaderecipes.com    15,000 USD    2014-09-03
potatorecipes.com    14,965 USD    2017-09-05
marijuanarecipes.com    10,000 USD    2014-09-03
dogfoodrecipes.com 10,000 USD 2012-02-10

all corresponding .recipes are taken including
pressurecooker.recipes

The TLD went public on 05 March 2014
To this moment ~5,800 names regged
4 reported sales in 5 years (only 1 above $1,000, no geo's)

bread.recipes 3,000 USD 2018-02-22 Sedo
x.recipes 600 USD 2016-09-07 Flippa
secret.recipes 627 USD 2016-01-21 NameJet
fish.recipes 400 USD 2015-12-04 Uniregistry

i wonder where you guys get those STR 1% for each and every nTLD from?
why will a TLD with 4 sales for the past 5 years start making solid even for a mid-quality .com portfolio 1% sell throu stats in the next 5 years?
- that's not how it works in a real world i'm afraid. i get it not...

us(a)recipes .org/net/info are all avail
which also indicates that the combo is not hugely popular to put it mildly
for example, fish recipes taken in .com, net, org, info, co.uk, co


..and finally:

US.recipes is avail for ~$80
at least that's what i'm shown at Dynadot, Godaddy and Uniregistry
[ Q: what does it tell you about current USA version value? ]

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based on the above i would value the name at reg fee at best
along with its .com counterpart (sorry BuyDomains)



best

This is the type of post which I personally very welcome in this thread. It adds another dimension of thinking, and I think it is beneficial for OP who submited the name, as it is well researched! So different opinions are welcomed, but you need to write them in par of level of this thread (which is the case here).

I will not enter into any debates in this thread, as this is pure appraisal thread and we need to keep it clean. I will focus only on appraisals here (which are basically my personal opinions, and you need to take them as such), and nothing else.

If someone wants me to reply on some concept I use here (for example one does not understand from where the STR of 1% comes from), feel free to open a new thread in General Discussion section, call (tag me) there, I will be happy to explain. But we need to put those questions on separate threads, as they are complex, and replying here would make this thread clustered and unreadable very soon.
Thank you for understanding.

And thanks for contributing

 

[platey]

Tenant. Loans

Bought for reg fee

 

[mahendraparab]

Swinger.Games

 

[platey]

Swinger.Games

There are some great gtlds with tgat keyword for reg fee of approx £10 ish

 

[Brian L.]

Just picked up benefit.network . One of my first gTLDs. Any thoughts would be appreciated.

 

[Mr.company]

 

[naruto_hokage]

indiavacation/rentals

 

[Brands.International]

@leadnetwork your name more / tips feels to me like 500-1500k name in 2019, it is type of name suitable to put at BIN and go "lets see what happens mode".

It is kind of vague, so probably not easy to do outbound with, while it's end user base is very large.

It's renewal is around 15 at most registrars, so this is type of name where math ods are shifted against a domain investor. Even with STR 1% for above price range (which I think is pretty generous guesstimate here, though), the projected yearly profit would be 5-15, while your renewal is 15.

So if you build your portfolio from this type of names, chances are imo you will be overal in loss, financially.

Saying that, nice name as per se. GL

 

[Brands.International]

Success // guru

@Vatsal Patel your name success / guru is excellent, I love it

What to say: it has only standard renewal for .guru of approx 20 at many registrars, while it resell price can be anywhere between 3k-10 in 2019, maybe even more.

Close alternatives in new gTLD space, which are imo .ninja (on more playful side) and .expert (on more serious, business-like side) are like following:
.
ninja (for this keyword there is a premium renewal around 40, registered)
.expert (for this keyword there is a premium renewal around 120, registered)

Not much others alternatives in new gTLDs space, in case you want to preserve that semantic meaning.

So this name is obvious winner: STR 1% seems realistic to me for above range, so if that holds, your projected yearly profit would be 30-100, while your yearly renewal is 20.

Great name, end user pool is almost unlimited, and math is in your favour, longtem.

GL

 

[platey]

Worth quite a few quid

Don't sell cheap lol

 

[platey]

Van. graphics

Bought for reg fee

This domain is for sale

Make an offer if interested

 

[Vatsal Patel]

@Vatsal Patel your name success / guru is excellent, I love it

What to say: it has only standard renewal for .guru of approx 20 at many registrars, while it resell price can be anywhere between 3k-10 in 2019, maybe even more.

Close alternatives in new gTLD space, which are imo .ninja (on more playful side) and .expert (on more serious, business-like side) are like following:
.
ninja (for this keyword there is a premium renewal around 40, registered)
.expert (for this keyword there is a premium renewal around 120, registered)

Not much others alternatives in new gTLDs space, in case you want to preserve that semantic meaning.

So this name is obvious winner: STR 1% seems realistic to me for above range, so if that holds, your projected yearly profit would be 30-100, while your yearly renewal is 20.

Great name, end user pool is almost unlimited, and math is in your favour, longtem.

GL

Thanks for your thoughts. Appreciated work.

 

[Brands.International]

Thanks for your thoughts. Appreciated work.

UR Welcome

 

[Vatsal Patel]

Payment // guru

 

[Brian L.]

Payment // guru

I like it! I can imagine a lot of uses for that.

 

[Gia Kumar]

Naturel.Store

Organic or natural in French.

 

[MapleDots]

Naturel.Store

Organic or natural in French.

Natural would have been better, yours limits your target audience. For a reseller you want the largest target audience possible.

 

[GenericDomainz]

Market.Restaurant (real term).

 

[Gia Kumar]

Natural would have been better, yours limits your target audience. For a reseller you want the largest target audience possible.

Thanks for your opinions. But naturel is premium word. It's registered in many extensions.

 

[MapleDots]

Thanks for your opinions. But naturel is premium word. It's registered in many extensions.

I understand that, and acknowledge it, but....

Natural has 7,700,000,000 search results

Naturel has 319,000,000 search results

If I was going to register...

Naturel.Store vs Natural.Store the clear winner is obvious

 

[Brands.International]

Swinger / Games

@mahendraparab about your domain name Swinger / Games : there is 1 important concept all over this thread I would like to point you to, and that is "number of available alternatives in new gTLD domain space".

And that number is really huge here. There is for sure some semantic connection between this keyword and .games, but so is between this keyword and dozens of other new gTLD extensions, like .cloud or .agency or .services or .army (some of those can create really interesting brands for this area)...and you can get those names for few bucks atm (visit uniregistry.com, to check what is available). That means basically no leverage for you in negotiations for your .games domain name. Best case would be few hundreds of some lower thousands as selling price, but with such low probabilities that math will not work at all in your favour.

Imo it does not matter that domain name like free / games sold recently for so much, it will not automatically make any keyword which you put in front of .games more valuable. (well, it can help a little though, as is a recorded sale, which could be used as some kind of distant comparable). But there is only limited number of very premium keywords which makes very strong semantic sense with .games, and "swinger" is not one of them, unfortunatelly.

Btw, I myself have experimented with tons of .loans names after reported sale of home / loans, or with .casino names after reported super sale of online / casino, it is a human nature of domain investor/speculator. But imo success with new gTLDS is not that straightforward.

I am being pretty critical and harsh for your domain name here, but still wishing you lot of GL in your domain choices

 

[Brands.International]

buy / lease

@Rory Ivey your domain name buy / lease is very interesting.

It seems to have premium renewal attached to it, which seems to be around 120-130 at many registrars (please correct me if this is wrong).

It was first registered in August 2015, so year after it went to GA in summer 2014. So it is good name, but not something what was registered immediately after extension went live. You then registered it something like week ago.

The name has 3 big advantages:

a) it sounds really good, looks good, is memorable
b) you almost can not create any close alternatives for it in new gTLD space, it is very unique.
c) name is very universal, which means almost unlimited pool of end users

So far so good. Now lets see the math:

My (wild guesstimate, as not enough data are available for such unique name combo this early in new gTLD game) is anything between 5k-50k (maybe even more), with STR 1% for any given year. If that holds, your projected yearly profit is 50-500, while your yearly renewal is approx. 125.

For me, this name is pretty difficult to appraise in more exact way, so apology for this large range - I personally feel it has very good potential, but it's renewal is not that cheap, so I would probably gave it at least 2-3 years to experiment with. If you could do some outbound for it, it will help your results greatly.

GL

 

[mahendraparab]

@mahendraparab about your domain name Swinger / Games : there is 1 important concept all over this thread I would like to point you to, and that is "number of available alternatives in new gTLD domain space".

And that number is really huge here. There is for sure some semantic connection between this keyword and .games, but so is between this keyword and dozens of other new gTLD extensions, like .cloud or .agency or .services or .army (some of those can create really interesting brands for this area)...and you can get those names for few bucks atm (visit uniregistry.com, to check what is available). That means basically no leverage for you in negotiations for your .games domain name. Best case would be few hundreds of some lower thousands as selling price, but with such low probabilities that math will not work at all in your favour.

Imo it does not matter that domain name like free / games sold recently for so much, it will not automatically make any keyword which you put in front of .games more valuable. (well, it can help a little though, as is a recorded sale, which could be used as some kind of distant comparable). But there is only limited number of very premium keywords which makes very strong semantic sense with .games, and "swinger" is not one of them, unfortunatelly.

Btw, I myself have experimented with tons of .loans names after reported sale of home / loans, or with .casino names after reported super sale of online / casino, it is a human nature of domain investor/speculator. But imo success with new gTLDS is not that straightforward.

I am being pretty critical and harsh for your domain name here, but still wishing you lot of GL in your domain choices

Thanks for your kind review.. This thread is so much to learn.

 

[ivey]

@Rory Ivey your domain name buy / lease is very interesting.

It seems to have premium renewal attached to it, which seems to be around 120-130 at many registrars (please correct me if this is wrong).

It was first registered in August 2015, so year after it went to GA in summer 2014. So it is good name, but not something what was registered immediately after extension went live. You then registered it something like week ago.

The name has 3 big advantages:

a) it sounds really good, looks good, is memorable
b) you almost can not create any close alternatives for it in new gTLD space, it is very unique.
c) name is very universal, which means almost unlimited pool of end users

So far so good. Now lets see the math:

My (wild guesstimate, as not enough data are available for such unique name combo this early in new gTLD game) is anything between 5k-50k (maybe even more), with STR 1% for any given year. If that holds, your projected yearly profit is 50-500, while your yearly renewal is approx. 125.

For me, this name is pretty difficult to appraise in more exact way, so apology for this large range - I personally feel it has very good potential, but it's renewal is not that cheap, so I would probably gave it at least 2-3 years to experiment with. If you could do some outbound for it, it will help your results greatly.

GL

I appreciate the feedback!
The renewal at Godaddy for me was around $108...
It's a bit weird it wasn't registered immediately, because it's one of the first obvious names.
I think sometimes registrars hold some premiums and make them available later than usual. This happened with "lighthouse.International". It wasn't available in GA, so i assumed someone regged it. When i checked Whois, it said it was registrar hold/restricted. I never saw this before. Anyway, I was able to snap it up soon after. I think I placed a backorder and got it as soon as it was released.

This is really my first premium renewal.. $44 is probably the most i spent prior. But I saw the potential too. As you said, I will experiment with it for the next 1-3 years, do some outbound and hope i get the higher end of your appraisal range

Cheers & great thread btw

 

[Mr.company]