debate If a domain is 1 year or younger in age, are you less likely to buy it?

[Daniel Owens]

It, is a known fact that aged domains rank better in google, however it seems like as many has half the domains listed on namepros (auction section especially) have been registered in the last 3 months, so not even 1 year old. What do you guys think about the value of domain age?

 

[Daniel Owens]

I didn't address in my post what you're saying in your reply. But if you're speaking about numbers, do you believe it's that hard to buy a domain for 8$ and sell it for 20$? I have done so, and many here do so as well. That's a low margin, but profit is profit, and many domainers prefer to play the reseller game, which is about finding the goods among the bads and finding a buyer who'll pay the profit. Please, let's have an honest discussion.

The real issue here is people like you encourage new domainers to lose money. If, it wasn't for all these domainers who keep saying I made money off hand-regs or like @w3names people wouldn't be losing so much. They see these cats claiming to make so much hand-regging they (new domainers or uneducated) think they can go big-time and start hand-regging 100 domains or so, and lose thousands of dollars.

 

[Daniel Owens]

I disagree. If you know what to look for and can catch onto a trend early enough. That is the key.

There are so many recent examples in recent years of people hand registering domains and selling them for big profit. Someone on this forum sold one recently for $10,000, they hand registered it towards the end of last year.

5 to 6 years ago you could hand register many crypto related domains that would now be worth 5-6 figs each.

But keep telling yourself it is dead, it means less competition for those of us who like to research trends, what is popular and so on.

Trends are another way to lose money let's not get into that. Hand-regs are never good. Let's stop quoting the top 0.01% who (probably falsely) claim to be making $10,000+ on each hand-reg. And, let's be honest with new domainers who might read this thread. NOT, every hand-reg is worth reg. fee and you should NOT hand-reg, avoid them at all cost. Buy, good valuable domains don't waste your money and time with hand-regs. @Dave You, are super cool by the way, just telling the truth which sadly hurts many who are delusional about hand-regs expecting to become wealthy off them.

 

[Dave]

It's can be a hobby, pipe dream, addiction (#domainhoarding). I think hand regging is pissing money into the wind on a $10 annual liability. I'll do it once in a while but it is not a serious investment. It's like a scratch card or lottery with chances that are quite a bit better and a reward/ payout substantially less.

People have been saying this since I joined in 2007. Now I get their point but I don't agree with dismissing hand registering completely.

When I joined Namepros I was a poor student in my first year of university. My only choice at the start was to hand register domain names. I managed to sell a couple for $x,xxx, then caught onto the EMD trend at a good time that meant I could buy hundreds of EMD domains and sell them on SEO forums for $xxx each. Or develop them with lead gen or such.

My point is I caught onto a trend, hand registered domains, and paid my way through University with domain names. It was my part time job at Uni. Whilst many were working in bars or shops, I bought and sold domain names.

 

[w3names]

The real issue here is people like you encourage new domainers to lose money. If, it wasn't for all these domainers who keep saying I made money off hand-regs or like @w3names people wouldn't be losing so much. They see these cats claiming to make so much hand-regging they (new domainers or uneducated) think they can go big-time and start hand-regging 100 domains or so, and lose thousands of dollars.

I was just sharing my own experience, which was not intended as advice. Also, I did add a caveat that it is a lot harder to profitably hand-reg these days.

 

[Daniel Owens]

People have been saying this since I joined in 2007. Now I get their point but I don't agree with dismissing hand registering completely.

When I joined Namepros I was a poor student in my first year of university. My only choice at the start was to hand register domain names. I managed to sell a couple for $x,xxx, then caught onto the EMD trend at a good time that meant I could buy hundreds of EMD domains and sell them on SEO forums for $xxx each. Or develop them with lead gen or such.

My point is I caught onto a trend, hand registered domains, and paid my way through University with domain names. It was my part time job at Uni. Whilst many were working in bars or shops, I bought and sold domain names.

Hand-regs from 2007 had to be renewed about 9x to be worth much at all. We, are talking about this particular market and hand-reg today is not worth it.

 

[lambo.com]

People have been saying this since I joined in 2007. Now I get their point but I don't agree with dismissing hand registering completely.

When I joined Namepros I was a poor student in my first year of university. My only choice at the start was to hand register domain names. I managed to sell a couple for $x,xxx, then caught onto the EMD trend at a good time that meant I could buy hundreds of EMD domains and sell them on SEO forums for $xxx each. Or develop them with lead gen or such.

My point is I caught onto a trend, hand registered domains, and paid my way through University with domain names. It was my part time job at Uni. Whilst many were working in bars or shops, I bought and sold domain names.

Nice. Quite a bit of risk to it, lots of work and merit of payout depends on your circumstance. Need to be native English speaker, fast learner, driven and lucky.

 

[branding]

The real issue here is people like you encourage new domainers to lose money. If, it wasn't for all these domainers who keep saying I made money off hand-regs or like @w3names people wouldn't be losing so much. They see these cats claiming to make so much hand-regging they (new domainers or uneducated) think they can go big-time and start hand-regging 100 domains or so, and lose thousands of dollars.

I partially agree here. But the same goes for stock for that matter. If anybody expects to get rich quickly by just buying random stocks without doing some research we'd call them delusional.

Same goes for domains, people should have reasonable expectations but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be handregging.

 

[Daniel Owens]

Nice. Quite a bit of risk to it, lots of work and merit of payout depends on your circumstance. Need to be native English speaker, fast learner, driven and lucky.

The native English speaker makes sense when even buying domains. Hand-regging non-native speaking domains that make little to no sense is a common practice these days. 99% of people who hand-reg 10 or more domains lose money on them.

 

[lambo.com]

I partially agree here. But the same goes for stock for that matter. If anybody expects to get rich quickly by just buying random stocks without doing some research we'd call them delusional.

Same goes for domains, people should have reasonable expectations but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be handregging.

Don't agree, in almost all respects a hand reg has no value until proven otherwise.

Such is not the case with instantly liquid assets like crypto and stocks

 

[lambo.com]

The native English speaker makes sense when even buying domains. Hand-regging non-native speaking domains that make little to no sense is a common practice these days. 99% of people who hand-reg 10 or more domains lose money on them.

Right

 

[Daniel Owens]

Don't agree, in almost all respects a hand reg has no value until proven otherwise.

Such is not the case with instantly liquid assets like crypto and stocks

You, are super smart. What is interesting is many domainers are more focused on crypto than hand-regging. They buy some liquid domains and stop hand-regging after losing so much doing so. Crypto and liquid domains are solid investments.

 

[Manaen]

The real issue here is people like you encourage new domainers to lose money. If, it wasn't for all these domainers who keep saying I made money off hand-regs or like @w3names people wouldn't be losing so much. They see these cats claiming to make so much hand-regging they (new domainers or uneducated) think they can go big-time and start hand-regging 100 domains or so, and lose thousands of dollars.

It's not encouragement. I'm not endorsing it. I'm just pointing out it's a valid investment strategy and it is to some extent. I find hard to believe that you're that worried about how other people complety unrelated with you make their investment decisions. I do agree it's hard, and it's very likely that an uneducated beginner will lose money. But it's not like people are making threads of encouragement of hand-reg. What you'll find is plenty of threads like this one. Lack of honest debate about the pros and cons of such strategies is what will push people who are volatile to make wrong decisions. But then again, domaining is not a game. It's business and it's serious. Everyone here is the sole responsible of their decisions. If you follow trends and decide to burn 500$+ in hand regs, maybe you deserve to lose that money. However, the premise that "all hand-reg is bad" is a false one, and that's what I'm arguing agaisnt.

 

[lambo.com]

You, are super smart. What is interesting is many domainers are more focused on crypto than hand-regging. They buy some liquid domains and stop hand-regging after losing so much doing so. Crypto and liquid domains are solid investments.

Love crypto, love crypto domains

 

[branding]

Don't agree, in almost all respects a hand reg has no value until proven otherwise.

Such is not the case with instantly liquid assets like crypto and stocks

Yeah, I'd have to agree with you if you look at it like that.

 

[Dave]

Nice. Quite a bit of risk to it, lots of work and merit of payout depends on your circumstance. Need to be native English speaker, fast learner, driven and lucky.

I researched and realised that many EMD or longtail keyword domains could still be hand registered, whereby the keywords had 10,000+ searches a month on Google. Back in those days the keywords in the domain name were a massive contributing factor in rankings. If you owned for example Over50sCarInsurance.com, and people searched for those keywords, you were almost guaranteed top 3 spot if you had a half decent built site on it.

For the most part you are right. My point is trends come and go all the time so in my opinion it is wrong to dismiss hand registering completely. In the future something very popular like cryptocurrency will come along again, that we don't even know about yet. It is a matter of being one of the first to get in.

I know some who have done well recently with hand registering fin+keyword or keyword+fi domain names over the last year as an example.

 

[infosec3]

I disagree. If you know what to look for and can catch onto a trend early enough. That is the key.

There are so many recent examples in recent years of people hand registering domains and selling them for big profit. Someone on this forum sold one recently for $10,000, they hand registered it towards the end of last year.

5 to 6 years ago you could hand register many crypto related domains that would now be worth 5-6 figs each.

But keep telling yourself it is dead, it means less competition for those of us who like to research trends, what is popular and so on.

Very well said. The age of a domain name is only relevant to some domainers. What matters is the name itself. A lot of good names that you can flip for $XXX or even $X,XXX drop everyday. I sell a nice number of such names every month, a few per week. The key is to have a good understanding of what is garbage and what is valuable.

 

[Dave]

By the way you see all those sales @Federer reports?

I am sure 99% of his sales are hand registered domains. That is pretty much his business model and he is very successful at it.

 

[hawkeye]

It is every domainer's responsibility to listen up, stop hand-regging and warn newbees to avoid doing it!

Wow, I never knew this!! I've been in this biz for 20 years, I have and do, belong to all the main domain forums and I (and maybe a million other domainers), never got this notice. When did it come out, where can it be found, and why haven't domainers ever been notified of this 'responsibility' before? Are there any other domainer 'responsibilities' we should be aware of??

 

[Manaen]

Wow, I never knew this!! I've been in this biz for 20 years, I have and do, belong to all the main domain forums and I (and maybe a million other domainers), never got this notice. When did it come out, where can it be found, and why haven't domainers ever been notified of this 'responsibility' before? Are there any other domainer 'responsibilities' we should be aware of??

Don't you think you're asking too many questions? People should just take advice blindly and that's that!

 

[Josh R]

A lot of my sales are hand regs from 2-3 years ago. Mostly in emerging tech, but sometimes made-up brandable 5 and 6L .coms.

 

[anantj]

It, is a known fact that aged domains rank better in google

Any links where this fact is officially stated? What are you basing this fact on?

 

[Daniel Owens]

Any links where this fact is officially stated? What are you basing this fact on?

The average domainer will find such a fact easily verified. Thanks.

 

[Satyajit Adhikary]

Good hand registered names becomes premium in 2-3 years, when there is scarcity of such names to hand register anymore.

Sold 29 hand registered domains for $7500 in the last 11 months, out of which only 7 were .com

 

[lambo.com]

Good hand registered names becomes premium in 2-3 years, when there is scarcity of such names to hand register anymore.

Sold 29 hand registered domains for $7500 in the last 11 months, out of which only 7 were .com

How many (domains in total) did you register in last 11 months?

 

[karmaco]

Your not asking for healthy debate when you make pronouncements and deem them as truth @Daniel Owens. It comes off as trying to incite. Guess you have never heard of the brandable market where even a flipper can make a profit and age doesn’t really matter.

Thousands of people hand reg every day. Guess that guy who regged cryptogame and sold for high five figures was dumb. Guess I was dumb when I sold 3 young hand regs for mid XXXX in the last 6 months. You haven’t got a clue what you are talking about.

Hand regging in emerging and future industries can be lucrative if you register good names. Sorry you are regging names that lose you money but don’t make blanket statements about domainers as a whole.