debate NudeKids.com Auctioned ($134 at GoDaddy)

[Ategy]

So I know this is going to start another heated discussion where people think I'm trying to stifle Free Speech .. so I just ask that you read open mindedly until the end so you'll understand that isn't the case at all. I'm actually a staunch supporter of Free Speech. Anyhow .. to the point ...

Late last night / early this morning as I was going through domains making my daily list of names to watch, I noticed "NudeKids.com" on auction at GoDaddy with one bid. In the past I have reported domains on their platform like GasTheJews.com and KKK.info as well as a few other clearly racist/inappropriate domains. So after getting most of my list done, as I've done in the past, I simply sent an email around 9am informing them of the domain NudeKids.com.

Hello,

Just wanted to let you know that NudeKids.com is on auction on the GoDaddy Platform today .. which means it’s been listed for a week and a half.

https://auctions.godaddy.com/trpItemListing.aspx?miid=247522700

Thanks,

I checked every now and then, but sure enough it was still there .. and it got more bids and finally ended at 1:36pm (10:36am in Arizona) at $134 after a relatively short battle between 2 bidders. The last time I checked there were only a few seconds left in the auction.

Then .. literally within 2 minutes of the auction ending at 10:38am Arizona time I received the following email:

Support Staff Response

Thank you for contacting Aftermarket support. We appreciate your feedback. That listing now closed.

Please reach out to us if you have any other questions.

Regards,

Aftermarket Support

I'd go into details on my thoughts on this .. but I think my response is rather clear on my opinions ...

Hello,

It’s (the auction listing) no longer there because the auction ended literally 2 minutes before you sent me this email. Unless you closed it with literally under 5 seconds to go, the auction was not closed, it completed uninterrupted, with a winning bid of $134.

It doesn’t affect me directly .. and I’m also an extremely strong believer in freedom of speech. However .. I’m also a believer in freedom of choice .. and that your choices determine and show your values ... I do realise it can be difficult to catch all such names, even if in all honesty you should indeed be responsible for everything you sell on your platform. But I did notify you several hours ago, and thus, in my eyes GoDaddy chose to profit on a domain that will likely end up being used for child pornography.

Not much more to say .. you guys have the largest selection of expiring domains so I’m not going to start some big boycott! I just find it a little sad. More importantly I also find it personally distasteful that you sidestepped the issue by telling me it’s closed in a way that if I were not paying attention would leave me to believe that GoDaddy took progressive action to actually remove the auction .. the choice of open ended / deceptive language is a surprise .. as despite the numerous bugs and issues I face using the GD platform on a frightfully regular basis .. I never doubted the good intentions of GD to do the right thing if they could, nor the integrity of individuals working at GD. Today is an unfortunate exception.

That's it .. figured it's something to be shared as I'm sure these sort of issues are important to many of you ... be it the lack of action .. or the ambiguous sidestepping response. Because if I got a reply in 2 days stating that they were sorry they missed it, I probably would only have been half as frustrated and just would have forgotten about it.


Even sadder .. are the actual stats behind the domain ...

NudeKids.com: 0.83 cpc | 33875 Exact Monthly Searches | 429000 SERP

 

[pqr]

Someone should buy it and redirect it to treatment centers (or doctors) in return for a small percentage of the treatment cost.

That way:

• Less kids are abused.
• At least some of the "people" get the treatment that they really, really need.
• The domain owner gets enough money to pay for and host the site.
• Treatment centers/doctors prosper, which helps them and society.

Everyone wins.

 

[wwwweb]

Indeed, Afternic offers an extremely advanced selection of adult domains. If $2295 looks expensive for a potential buyer of nudekids.com, there are cheaper alternatives offered. Such as preteenpussy.com for $2195, or nudenakedboys.com for $688

Are there all huge domains names?

some sick people over there, very easy to filter certain keyword for blocking for both parties.

Don’t these people have kids of their own, disgusting.

 

[Bean]

I understand your concern but to be fair the name in itself does not necessarily/automatically allude to perversion.
Lots of parents allow their kids to run around the house naked, it's actually healthy and it's the kind of freedom you can only truly experience while you're still very young and your mind is innocent of the reality of the world.
Besides, it is more than likely that the FBI closely monitors domains like these.
If you really feel that strongly about it, you should consider dissociating yourself entirely from Godaddy out of principle.

 

[tonyk2000]

Don’t these people have kids of their own, disgusting.

KillTheChildren.com is owned by HugeDomains since 2017-09-30, and was likely owned by somebody else before. Because their (outdated) afternic listing is still active on afternic - it is makeoffer and listing date shows as January 20th, 2016

 

[tonyk2000]

My previous post was originally (when I typed / thought) much more emotional. I then realised that two misconfigued bots are the root cause of the problem, and human emotions may not be 100% appropriate here. So I posted less, and also edited the posted reply after some minutes to make it even more technical.

@Joe Styler : don't you think that 99% of the issues discussed above can be resolved by switching domain feeds afternic is receiving from bot-powered customers to manual moderation by somebody from afternic staff? In other words, what about processing ALL domains and ALL customers in exactly the same way?

 

[Niraj Kumar]

I think the expired domains are not much looked by them at the time of listing. As there are thousands of expired domains listed everyday. I doubt it will be manual process. It might be automated so domains like this also gets listed.

 

[siravi]

Thanks for sharing it.

 

[Joe Styler]

We do check them over but there are literally high tens of thousands of names a day only from our expiring which does not include partner expired domains and customer listings. Listed names on Afternic are around 13 million. We do a decent job at proactively removing names. We can't catch every one of them but we do try to remove what we can that violates our policies and I think we do get more than the lion's share.

 

[sixtoronto]

MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS

you sound like a nosy neighbour calling the police on people for all the wrong stuff. You think every domain name is in English?

if they develop the site into some illegal porn shit, then you can share your concern.

 

[campout]

MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS

you sound like a nosy neighbour calling the police on people for all the wrong stuff. You think every domain name is in English?

if they develop the site into some illegal porn sh*t, then you can share your concern.

I agree. Registrars ought to remain neutral. They can help if/when a crime has been committed.

 

[Arca]

We do check them over but there are literally high tens of thousands of names a day only from our expiring which does not include partner expired domains and customer listings. Listed names on Afternic are around 13 million. We do a decent job at proactively removing names. We can't catch every one of them but we do try to remove what we can that violates our policies and I think we do get more than the lion's share.

Why do you allow large sellers (like Frank Schilling, HugeDomains, etc.) list domains that violate your policies, but not regular sellers?

Your system is in fact very good at not letting regular sellers not listing such domains. It's actually a bit too sensitive, blocking anything even remotely adult listed by regular sellers, and often blocking perfectly acceptable domains. So the system clearly errs on the side of caution. And customer support has told me several times that if your system rejects a domain, there is no way it can be listed.

But when it comes to these large sellers, who have accounts that have completely different privileged than regular sellers, they can list all kinds of porn domains that regular sellers are completely blocked from listing.

For example, from your own terms and conditions, here are some types of domains you block:
- words which would evoke a question of legality, such as automatic weapons or military-style assault weapons, cracked or pirated software (especially words like appz, warez, cracks, crackz, hacks, hackz), falsely obtained passwords (especially words like passwordz), prostitution services and questionable substances or words alluding to ingestion of questionable substances
- any language that is sexually explicit, including but not limited to language related to prostitution, child pornography, underage sex, bestiality, necrophilia, incest or pedophilia.

I highlighted "prostitution" above. Here are some domains listed by Frank Schilling and HugeDomains on Afternic that deal with prostitution services:

prostitutesex.com - Listed by Frank Schilling on Afternic
prostitutefinder.com - Listed by HugeDomains on Afternic
hookersex.com - Listed by Frank Schilling on Afternic
deepthroatwhores.com - HugeDomains

And while regular sellers can't list anything adult or CP related on Afternic, these kinds names are listed by super sellers:

pussysex.com - Frank Schilling
pussybabes.com - Frank Schilling
pussypiss.com - Frank Schilling
preteengirls.com - HugeDomains

Another type of domain not allowed:
- vulgar or obscene language, such as f-ckyu.com

So why are these domains listed on Afternic?

fuckyoubastard.com
fuckyouanddie.com
fuck-you.com
assfuckin.com
analfuckteens.com
blackwomenfuck.com
fucktoy.com
fuckorgies.com
fuckslave.com
fuckmums.com

It literally took me 5 minutes to find these domains. Just type in something as basic as "fuck" and see the results... Afternic does not allow f-ckyu.com, but fuck-you.com is fine? Afternic does NOT proactively remove such domains listed by super sellers. Many of the domains I listed above have been on Afternic for years already.

There are tens of thousands of domains listed on Afternic by big sellers like Frank Shilling and HugeDomains that violates your terms. Why do you keep letting these big sellers do whatever they want on your platform? It's time for Afternic to start holding these super sellers to the same rules as regular sellers.

 

[mr-x]

How is it that you have time to find all these offensive names? Maybe there is something you can share as to how you find them?

Maybe hire @Ategy.com to police your auctions.

 

[tonyk2000]

if they develop the site into some illegal

As the result of afternic users listing various domains of questionable nature, the worlds leading registar GoDaddy now teaches endusers the following:

(just one example)

https://www.godaddy.com/dpp/find?checkAvail=1&tmskey=&domainToCheck=killthechildren.com

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killthechildren.com is available

Why it's great.

"Kill" is a high value keyword that has an average sale price of $2,131.

"The" is a widely used keyword.

Uses the .com extension.

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I beleive that such public statements may have negative effect on what endusers think about domainers in general, or about premium domains and their suggested valuations (and also about godaddy as the selling venue where a lot of forum members -myself included - do have their domains listed)

 

[mr-x]

Are there all huge domains names?

some sick people over there, very easy to filter certain keyword for blocking for both parties.

Don’t these people have kids of their own, disgusting.

They are scum and don't care.

 

[Arca]

Domain types banned from Afternic:

There are so many domains in every category that is banned here actually listed on Afternic, almost exclusively by big sellers.

For example, necrophilia domains are not allowed. So why is Necrophile.com listed on Afternic? HugeDomains also got NecroBitch.com... not related to necrophilia?

Or another example, "crackz" and other domains related to pirated software is not allowed - but GoDaddy/NameFind has listed CrackzSerialz.com on Afternic.

Domains related to rape are not allowed - yet "rapemehard.com" is listed for sale on Afternic.

It's so easy to find domains in every category that violates your rules that it does not seem that Afternic/GoDaddy is interested in enforcing these rules when it comes to large portfolio holders. I think big sellers should be held to the same rules as all the other sellers on the platform (who 99% of the time are blocked from the system when they try to list domains that violate your policies.

 

[DNWon]

Yet, Afternic wouldn't allow me to list a name as germane as TheRubDown.Shop.
Really? RubDown is now taboo?
It's a freakin massage!

 

[Arca]

Yet, Afternic wouldn't allow me to list a name as germane as TheRubDown.Shop.
Really? RubDown is now taboo?
It's a freakin massage!

Regular sellers are not allowed to list anything even remotely adult.

Users like NameFind(GoDaddy)/NameAdministration(Frank Schillin)/HugeDomains would have no problem getting that name listed.

 

[tonyk2000]

GoDaddy/NameFind has listed CrackzSerialz.com on Afternic

How interesting
OK, must be something gd acquied as a part of a portfolio, and mistakenly listed on Afternic...

 

[wwwweb]

How interesting
OK, must be something gd acquied as a part of a portfolio, and mistakenly listed on Afternic...

Berkens has some really adult names, I think many of those were not acquired from his portfolio, probably one of his best names which is not really adult was dirty.com, which got a lot of typo traffic meant for thedirty.com

 

[Ategy]

Some names going to auction tomorrow at GoDaddy ..

free-rape-fantasy.com
free-rape-movies.com
free-rape-pics.com
free-rape-pictures.com
free-rape-videos.com

 

[bluemeteor]

Have no idea what kkk is. Kkk.com and kkk.net would worth a lot in liquid domain market, as well as aaa bbb ccc.

 

[branding]

Being a parent any actual abuse of domains like this makes me sick and should be acted upon... by law enforcement that is. Not by the registrar.

Godaddy is in their right to have these restrictions in place however I'm a big advocate of neutral registrars. What we find offensive is often cultural defined. Take the N word for instance... there are plenty of scenarios thinkable where this wouldn't be offensive or looked upon as a racist term.

Now if you were to use a domain alike for hatespeech/racism it'd be another story. But even then freedom of speech is something not to be taken lightly. It should be judged by law, not by public opinion or a registrar. That being said, as a business you're free to decide who you do business with ofcourse.

 

[canvasboutique]

I'm not even going to read the content of this thread.

NudeKids?

As a parent, and speaking for non-parents, wrong, wrong, wrong on so many levels.
Hopefully this has alerted GoDaddy to take an appropriate action.

 

[golan]

Nude kids? Maybe it's for a photographer who is making nu sessions with kids for their parents.

I'm sick from the moral fags who want to close and forbid anything that even slightly offends them.

Father of 15yo girl speaking.

 

[Joe Styler]

Some names going to auction tomorrow at GoDaddy ..

free-rape-fantasy.com
free-rape-movies.com
free-rape-pics.com
free-rape-pictures.com
free-rape-videos.com

We removed them from the auction.