The USA Political Thread

[lennco]

Here you can spout your USA political views.

Rules:
1. Keep it clean
2. No fighting
3. Respect the views of others.
4. US Political views, No Religious views
5. Have fun

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[JB Lions]

It's not just gay marriage. Democrats want to force people into pretending biology doesn't matter.

Nothing should stop a two hundred pound man competing on a woman soccer team b/c he "thinks" he's a woman.

Trans Athlete Admits He Has A ‘Size Advantage’ Over Female Competitors
http://dailycaller.com/2017/11/06/t...has-a-size-advantage-over-female-competitors/

Or a man injuring multiple women in martial arts competition:
Transgender ‘female’ MMA fighter gives female opponent concussion, broken eye socket
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/t...-female-opponent-concussion-breaks-her-eye-so

In California if you use the wrong pronoun, it's misdemeanor offense with a fine and jail time. The Gov is coercing people into pretending there are unlimited genders.

It's not just about gay marriage. It's about reality. Children need a mother and father. Not two dads.

Do they need a mother and father who divorce? Or are unhappy? I understand it's the ideal but sometimes life isn't ideal. Gay couples tend to adopt. They can only adopt if kids are available. There is nothing wrong with that. There are plenty of kids who have grown up with that situation that would tell you that. Would you be ok if gay people said straight people shouldn't marry? Based on stats, wouldn't they have a good argument?

And the trans stuff is none of your business either. You always go to the extreme and talk about sports, when it's mainly somebody not feeling right in their body or whatever. Their business.

 

[JB Lions]

As for Gays being married, it devalues marriage. If two men or two women can be married, why not three men to two women and one man?

Most of America believes Marriage should be restricted to a man and women. Even liberal California and Oregon.

And what's all this stuff you posted, you have links?

Because that's pretty much a dead issue. Gay marriage is legal. Most Americans have been fine with that for years. I posted a link in my other post with a current poll on that. Did you happen to land on some site from the 1990's or early 2000's to get your info? The majority of Americans support the right for gay people to marry, it's legal.

 

[JB Lions]

Back in 2014, Oregon, 58% favored gay marriage - https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...ge-initiative-leads-by-wide-margin-in-oregon/

The poll, conducted by Portland-based DHM Research, shows 58 percent of Oregon voters would back changing the state Constitution to allow marriage between homosexual couples.

So what are you talking about?

 

[mr-x]

Do they need a mother and father who divorce? Or are unhappy? I understand it's the ideal but sometimes life isn't ideal. Gay couples tend to adopt. They can only adopt if kids are available. There is nothing wrong with that. There are plenty of kids who have grown up with that situation that would tell you that. Would you be ok if gay people said straight people shouldn't marry? Based on stats, wouldn't they have a good argument?

And the trans stuff is none of your business either. You always go to the extreme and talk about sports, when it's mainly somebody not feeling right in their body or whatever. Their business.

Best possible outcome is from a healthy Mother and Father.

Other situations are completely irrelevant. Nobody wants divorced or bad parents of any sex.

 

[JB Lions]

Best possible outcome is from a healthy Mother and Father.

Other situations are completely irrelevant. Nobody wants divorced or bad parents of any sex.

I do think it's easier, but again there are kids growing up with gay parents just fine. And again, a lot of adoption happens. Would you rather them be in a happy home or no home at all?

 

[mr-x]

Back in 2014, Oregon, 58% favored gay marriage - https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...ge-initiative-leads-by-wide-margin-in-oregon/

The poll, conducted by Portland-based DHM Research, shows 58 percent of Oregon voters would back changing the state Constitution to allow marriage between homosexual couples.

So what are you talking about?

Yeah.. a poll. OK. What were the polls like in California?

 

[JB Lions]

Yeah.. a poll. OK. What were the polls like in California?

You're the one who posted that stuff and again, no links to back it up. So where did you get that from?

Look at what you said:
"Most of America believes Marriage should be restricted to a man and women. Even liberal California and Oregon."

Besides a poll, how else would you base that on?

Same thing with California, for many years now - http://www.ppic.org/publication/californians-attitudes-toward-same-sex-marriage/

And then, you can't Google this stuff?

And why did you post that in the first place? You got that from where? It's like you've been living under a rock or something. You didn't know it was legal or the majority of Americans were ok with legalizing it?

 

[mr-x]

Now you have LGBTQXYZ mafia demanding religious adoption agencies loose their license if they don't let whatever the flavor of the day is adopt.

Live and let live isn't what gay movement wants. They're demanding affirmation. They demand we ignore science, biology and our own conscience.

 

[JB Lions]

Now you have LGBTQXYZ mafia demanding religious adoption agencies loose their license if they don't let whatever the flavor of the day is adopt.

Live and let live isn't what gay movement wants. They're demanding affirmation. They demand we ignore science, biology and our own conscience.

I think they were demanding the right to marry, which was right. And equality. You have issues with that?

I'm still waiting for the Cali/Oregon links.

 

[mr-x]

You're the one who posted that stuff and again, no links to back it up. So where did you get that from?

How did California vote against same-sex marriage when the polls said otherwise? Has any vote on same-sex marriage passed?

 

[mr-x]

I think they were demanding the right to marry, which was right. And equality. You have issues with that?

I'm still waiting for the Cali/Oregon links.

I'm not your research assistant.

 

[JB Lions]

How did California vote against same-sex marriage when the polls said otherwise? Has any vote on same-sex marriage passed?

IT'S LEGAL

 

[JB Lions]

I'm not your research assistant.

You posted it. So basically, you're just lying and making stuff up again. You've done that so many times in this thread. You throw stuff out like it's a fact and a simple me asking for links and you fold. You lie too much.

 

[mr-x]

You posted it. So basically, you're just lying and making stuff up again.

Well you can go google it. Ignore Slate and Huffpo. You'll deny reality anyway.

 

[JB Lions]

Well you can go google it. Ignore Slate and Huffpo. You'll deny reality anyway.

I did Google it and posted links showing you were lying.

"Most of America believes Marriage should be restricted to a man and women. Even liberal California and Oregon."

Lies, you just made that up and posted it.

 

[mr-x]

I did Google it and posted links showing you were lying.

Sure you did.. Liar.

Ballot Measure 36 was a 2004 initiative in the U.S. state of Oregon. It amended the Oregon Constitution to define marriage as a union of one man and one woman. The initiative passed with 1,028,546 votes in favor, and 787,556 votes against (57% to 43%)

 

[JB Lions]

Sure you did.. Liar.

Ballot Measure 36 was a 2004 initiative in the U.S. state of Oregon. It amended the Oregon Constitution to define marriage as a union of one man and one woman. The initiative passed with 1,028,546 votes in favor, and 787,556 votes against (57% to 43%)

ha, like I said. Did you land on some site from the 1990's or early 2000's and sure enough. It's 2017, not 2004.

And I did post links, are you also blind? Why would you post that when anybody else reading this thread can see those links? Lies on top of lies?

 

[mr-x]

I'm sure you think it changed drastically b/c the Gay lobby commissioned a poll and published it on the Huffington Post.

Just like the polls said the same bill wouldn't pass in California. As a matter of fact, if I remember right, every time it's been on the ballot.. the majority voted against same-sex marriage.

 

[mr-x]

ha, like I said. Did you land on some site from the 1990's or early 2000's and sure enough. It's 2017, not 2004.

And I did post links, are you also blind? Why would you post that when anybody else reading this thread can see those links? Lies on top of lies?

IT'S LEGAL

It's legal because a judge over-tuned the vote. You didn't answer my question.

 

[JB Lions]

It's legal because a judge over-tuned the vote.

Where have you been?

"In the United States, same-sex marriage is legal in all states, Washington, D.C., as well as all U.S. territories except American Samoa, but not on all Native American tribal lands, since June 26, 2015, when the United States Supreme Court ruled in Obergefell v. Hodges that state-level bans on same-sex marriage are unconstitutional."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage_in_the_United_States

 

[mr-x]

You're deflecting. You said same-sex marriage had a majority support.

If you can ignore history, science and biology.. you can ignore anything.

Same sex-marriage lost on every ballot I know of. SCOTUS took up the case and changed the definition of marriage so every state HAS to allow it.

You're link to a positive poll in California was after years of cultural pressure.

If the Oregon poll was accurate, why didn't the Democrat Gov, Democrat majority in the Senate and House repeal the law?

Where you have been?

"In the United States, same-sex marriage is legal in all states, Washington, D.C., as well as all U.S. territories except American Samoa, but not on all Native American tribal lands, since June 26, 2015, when the United States Supreme Court ruled in Obergefell v. Hodges that state-level bans on same-sex marriage are unconstitutional."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage_in_the_United_States

 

[Mister Funsky]

Thought I would recognize todays date as some members may not be posting as usual due to celebrations.

100 years ago today it happened...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_Revolution

 

[enlytend]

Election Day today. Whatever your preferences, get out and vote!

 

[mr-x]

Look at what you said:
"Most of America believes Marriage should be restricted to a man and women. Even liberal California and Oregon."

Besides a poll, how else would you base that on?

When people had a choice to vote, they voted against same sex-marriage every-time. Polls are an estimate easily corrupted by bias.

And why did you post that in the first place? You got that from where? It's like you've been living under a rock or something.

Here you go.

It makes sense to inform children of the realities of life.

It's the disgusting sexual indoctrination and bigotry toward religion that comes with it that's bad.

The bigotry usually went the other way, so you understand why it gets brushback? I mean, who was mainly against gays being able to get married? It wasn't anybody's business.

Simple statement of fact, when people had a choice to vote, the majority voted against same-sex marriage.

You didn't know it was legal or the majority of Americans were ok with legalizing it?

I never argued it wasn't legal. If the majority of American thought ssm was good, states would have changed the laws. There would have been no reason for SCOTUS ruling to make it legal.

Where have you been?

"In the United States, same-sex marriage is legal in all states, Washington, D.C., as well as all U.S. territories except American Samoa, but not on all Native American tribal lands, since June 26, 2015, when the United States Supreme Court ruled in Obergefell v. Hodges that state-level bans on same-sex marriage are unconstitutional."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage_in_the_United_States

History, Science, Biology.

1) California, Oregon and other states vote to define marriage as a union between one man and one women.

2) SCOTUS overturns state laws. Marriage is now a contract between two people. Period.

3) LGBTQ* lobby shifts from equal rights, to fighting for protected minority status.

Houston Mayor tries to pass bathroom law requiring churches and businesses to allow anyone to use the bathroom of choice regardless of biology.
Baker in Oregon refused to serve same-sex marriage, is fined $135,000 by unelected bureaucrat. Email and text messages are published showing bureaucrat, Brad Avakian colluded with LGBTQ* activist before and during the hearing.

Some states pass laws to protect #1A rights, preventing sexual behavior or identity being treated as protected minority. Well funded LGBTQ* and progressive lobbyist attack any states trying to limit minority protection for LGBTQ*

You are now labeled a bigot if you oppose same-sex marriage or any sexual deviancy.
Advocacy polls suddenly show rising support for same-sex marriage and LGBTQ*.

4) State "religious" (#1A) liberty laws have mixed success during judicial review.

Despite JB Lions claims, polls regarding support for same-sex marriage have been mixed even with overwhelming cultural pressure to conform. Maybe more to do with the people taking the polls?

http://dailysignal.com/2014/09/24/poll-americans-support-sex-marriage-declining/

http://dailysignal.com/2015/07/20/poll-59-believe-businesses-should-be-able-to-decline-gay-weddings/

http://dailysignal.com/2015/08/11/4...tographer-has-right-to-say-no-to-gay-wedding/

http://dailycaller.com/2017/06/23/f...-allowing-refusal-of-service-to-lgbt-couples/

http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/30/nashville-mayor-condemns-christian-stance-on-marriage/

http://dailycaller.com/2017/09/07/poll-support-for-same-sex-marriage-higher-than-ever/

With so much going on in the world, most people may not care about same-sex marriage anymore but they care about rights and preserving them.

 

[TheEnd]

Syria signs Paris Agreement - leaving US only country in the world to refuse climate change deal

Syria has signed the Paris climate agreement, leaving the US as the only country in the world not signed up to the framework to deal with greenhouse gas emissions.

Science Confirms The Obvious: Americans Are Selfish

We're less motivated to do something challenging if it benefits the common good.

If you need an American to do something, don't mention the common good, team work or caring for others. A new study in Psychological Science this month found that trying to get Americans to think and act interdependently failed--and may have even decreased motivation.

After being prompted to think about either independence or interdependence, a group of Stanford students were given difficult word puzzles to solve, and later, a physical challenge (squeezing a handgrip for as long as possible).

"Chronically independent European Americans" fared much worse when primed to think about interdependence while completing the task. For bicultural Asian-American students exposed to both the independence-loving culture of America and a more communally based East-Asian culture, thinking about either value set was equally motivating.

In another test, students viewed a website about a class promoting environmental sustainability. White American students said they would put less effort into the course when the description emphasized things like working together and taking other people's views into account, rather than when it prioritized taking charge and being unique.

Just because we don't want to take a class about working together doesn't necessarily doom us. Though these findings might not apply as neatly to a real-world scenario, they do hint at how we can be encouraged to work more collectively.

"Currently, if we want to inspire Americans to think and act interdependently, it may work best to actually emphasize their independence to motivate them to do so," suggests MarYam Hamedani, one of the study's authors. "Tell them, 'Be the change you want to see in the world' instead of 'We're all in this together.'"