The future of .COM after new gTLDs boom! Big DROP?!

[New.Life]

According to the data and this simple chart:

http://www.registrarstats.com/TLDDomainCounts.aspx

Is there a BIG drop? Coming soon?

 

[Brands.International]

Ok, JB you have confused me, because of your edits of posts, lol.

If you want to show me examples where word1.word2 sold for more than word1word2.com, I know of few of such sales which happened this year. But honestly, I can not post them here, because all of them were private and I do not have permissions to do so. They are not reported to namebio, so you can learn about them only via personal contacts.

I think I have tackled this issue in another thread : you can learn about new gTLDs only if you have friendly and supporting behavior towards new gTLDs investors, registries and people involved. Otherwise nobody is going to share any information with you.

So for purposes of your challenge, you won the debate, because I can not compromise privacy of others and show my points. It is pity that my new gTLD Cannabis domain (almost certain) win via quick flip to your .com Cannabis auction was not enough to persuade you

 

[JB Lions]

Privacy? Be real. There are plenty of sales that aren't private, surely you can find 1 from that bunch? Then, big new gtld sales, people like to post about them because it can only help. You made the claim, I just wanted to see some supporting evidence of something you decided to post. You came up with nothing.

As far as your cannabis sale, great, congrats. But tell me the price now. You won't because you're just waiting for mine to finish so you can pick a number higher. I think that's pretty see thru. And if I don't get the number I want, it's not a big deal, because I'll still own the domain and will wait for my price.

 

[slader23]

I don't understand what's so serious. What would happen? Specifically. What would be so terrible about never having these new extensions?

More saturation. You have to realize that this goes beyond your little american world. You must think about the economic progression of developing countries and how they will use extensions in the future, when their companies want to go global(market to english speakers) and move from their own cctlds, the investment climate will be entirely different and a lack of consumer choice will slow down the growth of their own businesses. You also have to account for population growth in developed countries and the amount of new businesses that will come to market in the coming years, you cannot allow for a lack of choice in future markets because that slows down growth immensely. Anyways I'm tired of preaching this to people, either you get it or you don't.

 

[Brands.International]

Privacy? Be real. There are plenty of sales that aren't private, surely you can find 1 from that bunch? Then, big new gtld sales, people like to post about them because it can only help. It's basically some of you post a lot of fluff that you can't back up, that's pretty evident.

No, it is not true. You asked me to show you examples of cases, where word1.word2 sold for more than word1word2.com. That means, I would need to know sale price of word1word2.com (probably via namebio) and compare it to price which I know for word1.word2. I would like to satify you with this, but it is not possible, I can not find example which would satisfy both of these conditions. Plus, I know about sales which are all private, non of them was public.

And no, people do not like to post about big gTLD sales..almost all of them are being done in private. There is too much competition there at the moment. Only 1 person who invest in gTLDs like to post his sales, and he is a nice exception

 

[JB Lions]

That means, I would need to know sale price of word1word2.com (probably via namebio) and compare it to price which I know for word1.word2. I would like to satify you with this, but it is not possible,

Of course it's possible, you just listed one of the tools you could use to do that. You can use dnprices and I'm sure others out there. Again, you made the claim, I've not seen anything remotely happening with that, so I just wanted you to back it up.

 

[slader23]

Privacy? Be real. There are plenty of sales that aren't private, surely you can find 1 from that bunch? Then, big new gtld sales, people like to post about them because it can only help. You made the claim, I just wanted to see some supporting evidence of something you decided to post. You came up with nothing, tried to give me examples of something different entirely and now using Privacy as an excuse.

I just gave you some evidence. Each buyer from the domains I listed had the choice of owning the .com. Stop attacking the guy he clearly doesn't speak English as a first language. Why not take a peak at the ngtld forum and look at the reported private sales there? Or do you not want to put in the effort like everyone else who bashes ngtlds?

 

[JB Lions]

I just gave you some evidence. Each buyer from the domains I listed had the choice of owning the .com. Stop attacking the guy he clearly doesn't speak English as a first language. Why not take a peak at the ngtld forum and look at the reported private sales there? Or do you not want to put in the effort like everyone else who bashes ngtlds?

No, you didn't. I want to see prices where the new gtld sold for more than the corresponding .com. I think it's pretty clear what I was looking for. And you might be able to find some random sale but generally the .com is going to sell for more and surely in a few years, what lol said, that the new gtlds will sell for more, is ridiculous.

Just curious, do you believe that as well?

 

[Brands.International]

I just gave you some evidence. Each buyer from the domains I listed had the choice of owning the .com. Stop attacking the guy he clearly doesn't speak English as a first language. Why not take a peak at the ngtld forum and look at the reported private sales there? Or do you not want to put in the effort like everyone else who bashes ngtlds?

Exactly as @slader23 wrote, stop attacking me I think I provided some valuable information here @JB Lions, and it is up to you how you are going to process it

 

[JB Lions]

Exactly as @slader23 wrote, stop attacking me I think I provided some valuable information here @JB Lions, and it is up to you how you are going to process it

I wasn't attacking you (how dramatic) I was asking you questions about the post you made. And you provided no valuable information whatsoever, just continually dodged it. It's just a lot of fluff with these threads.

 

[wormfood]

More saturation. You have to realize that this goes beyond your little american world.

Stop attacking the guy

k, I think I'm done with this thread.

Tell me when they start publicly reporting these big sales Not saying I don't believe you @lolwarrior I'd actually like to see them.

 

[slader23]

No, you didn't. I want to see prices where the new gtld sold for more than the corresponding .com. I think that's been pretty clear what I was looking for.

I think you get more of the bigger picture seeing an ngtld being chosen instead of the .com. Google had the choice to buy XCompany.com but didn't, you'd think a company with such a big pocketbook would have surely bought it but no they didn't. Consumer choice enables companies to do this and signals to market participants that a product is overpriced. Now these companies own the exact match ngtld so it will be incredibly difficult to market the .com knowing that these emd's exist. Google Think Global for example or x.company.

 

[JB Lions]

I think you get more of the bigger picture seeing an ngtld being chosen instead of the .com. Google had the choice to buy XCompany.com but didn't, you'd think a company with such a big pocketbook would have surely bought it but no they didn't. Consumer choice enables companies to do this and signals to market participants that a product is overpriced. Now these companies own the exact match ngtld so it will be incredibly difficult to market the .com knowing that these emd's exist. Google Think Global for example or x.company.

Did you miss the less than 3% of startups picking them? I noticed you skipped that over. The bigger picture is maybe the .com wasn't for sale, being used, too much etc. These new gtlds are what people settle for, not what they really want.

 

[slader23]

k, I think I'm done with this thread.

Tell me when they start publicly reporting these big sales Not saying I don't believe you @lolwarrior I'd actually like to see them.

My god just look at Namebio and check to see if the .com is parked. That should be enough evidence to show the sentiment alone.

 

[slader23]

Did you miss the less than 3% of startups picking them? The bigger picture is maybe the .com wasn't for sale, being used, too much etc.

These sales and the many other unreported sales aren't start from start ups. Mid cap+ companies are acquiring ngtlds. The .coms on that list are parked for sale on various marketplaces including unregistry. Why don't you guys just take the time to research? Why does everything have to be surface level arguments?

 

[wormfood]

One thing..
@JB Lions I think you could actually find word.word domains that sold for more than the .coms because something like EducationGlobal.com isn't a great domain (imo. right?). So.. you'd want to compare it to GlobalEducation.com or concede that the .global would probably sell for more than the .com.
But I'm not sure about the "hack" ones like baltic.cruises vs balticcruises.com.

I wonder how much travelagency.com would go for on Flippa.
travel.agency 9,999 USD 2016-03-30 Flippa

 

[JB Lions]

One thing..
@JB Lions I think you could actually find word.word domains that sold for more than the .coms because something like EducationGlobal.com isn't a great domain (imo. right?). So.. you'd want to compare it to GlobalEducation.com or concede that the .global would probably sell for more than the .com.
But I'm not sure about the "hack" ones like baltic.cruises vs balticcruises.com.

I wonder how much travelagency.com would go for on Flippa.
travel.agency 9,999 USD 2016-03-30 Flippa

True, I was thinking more of the example he used or ones like baltic.cruises vs balticcruises.com.

I think BalticCruises.com is far more valuable than baltic.cruises. Just because one is with an extension people actually know and looks like a url instead of a run on sentence. It's something you can use everywhere, online, offline and won't leak traffic. If you tried using baltic.cruises in your promotional efforts, you will lose traffic to the .com.

 

[garptrader]

Why is it that a .COM holder can make sales of two-word .COMs when the .Net, .Info, .Whatever are available for reg fee?

This weekend I went for a walk over to Palm Beach and noticed on the window of a real estate agency a property for sale for $27 million. Yet five miles away in Riviera Beach there are properties priced under $75k. Riviera Beach has one of the highest crime rates in Florida. Palm Beach has multi-million dollar homes without the apparent need for gated communities or armed security personnel. Why such a radical price difference when geographically the locations are very close?

 

[jmcc]

Anyone with an understanding of economics would realize that ngtlds bring consumer choice to a very saturated market.

The rest of your post makes sense but this part misses a major issue. When the new gTLDs were first proposed there was an artificial scarcity of "good" domain names due to Domain Tasting. The domain name drop cycle was seriously broken. Thus there was quite a demand for these new gTLDs. But in 2010, ICANN was forced to impose a restocking fee for tasted domain names and that meant that the previously cost free process of domain name tasting incurred a cost. It effectively killed large-scale Domain Tasting. It also severely reduced the demand for the new gTLDs but ICANN plowed ahead with an absolute clusterf*ck of a launch schedule. ICANN was studying consumer trust and awareness and the results of its survey are unreliable at best and sheer wishful thinking at worst. There is demand and awareness for some of the new gTLDs but the discounting and zone stuffing has damaged the credibility of some of the new gTLDs.

Regards...jmcc

 

[jmcc]

Looks like the line continues to go up according to that chart. I imagine it'll be even better in the future once people smarten up, adjust and start rolling with the king.

What that chart does not show is that .COM went negative on monthly growth according to the 01 December 2016 figures.

Regards...jmcc

 

[slader23]

True, I was thinking more of the example he used or ones like baltic.cruises vs balticcruises.com.

I think BalticCruises.com is far more valuable than baltic.cruises. Just because one is with an extension people actually know and looks like a url instead of a run on sentence. It's something you can use everywhere, online, offline and won't leak traffic. If you tried using baltic.cruises in your promotional efforts, you will lose traffic to the .com.

That myth has already been debugged.

The rest of your post makes sense but this part misses a major issue. When the new gTLDs were first proposed there was an artificial scarcity of "good" domain names due to Domain Tasting. The domain name drop cycle was seriously broken. Thus there was quite a demand for these new gTLDs. But in 2010, ICANN was forced to impose a restocking fee for tasted domain names and that meant that the previously cost free process of domain name tasting incurred a cost. It effectively killed large-scale Domain Tasting. It also severely reduced the demand for the new gTLDs but ICANN plowed ahead with an absolute clusterf*ck of a launch schedule. ICANN was studying consumer trust and awareness and the results of its survey are unreliable at best and sheer wishful thinking at worst. There is demand and awareness for some of the new gTLDs but the discounting and zone stuffing has damaged the credibility of some of the new gTLDs.

Regards...jmcc

I 100% agree with this. Thanks for addressing that. There is also the issue of "spam" gtlds and name collisions but all of these things I believe are a bi-product of consumer choice. With all these options available there is bound to be some bad apples and a large amount of variance in the credibility of some ngtlds.

 

[JB Lions]

That myth has already been debugged.

What myth?

 

[slader23]

Industry professionals on NGTLDS (2013) Source: http://www.domaininvesting.com/new-gtlds-will/
Interesting to note that my EXACT points are the beliefs of numerous professionals in the domain world and these guys were saying it 3 years ago. I literally just found this searching what industry professionals thought. It's good to see that the right people are actually awake in this world.

The green denotes points that I addressed in my own posts to this forum. The blue denotes a slightly irrelevant post and the black denotes negative views towards NGTLD's some of which have been debugged that is not to say they aren't relevant. The red denotes an interesting comment, something that everyone should take the time to look into.

• Francois Carrillo, Domaining.com – gTLDs will be top announcers in domaining.com.
• John Ferber, Domain Holdings – gTLDs will create a world of opportunity.
• Donna Mahony – gTLDs will make some rich, some poor
• Larry Fischer – gTLDs will make money for registrars & registries.
• Rick Schwartz – gTLDs will mostly die on the vine.
• Eric Borgos, Impulse Communications – gLTDs will lower .com domain values.
• Nat Cohen, Telepathy – gTLDs will be a niche market, though…
• Elliot Noss, Tucows – gTLDs will bring semantics to the DNS or gTLDs will flatten the name space.
• Joe Politzer, DN.BIZ – gTLDs will make more losers than winners.
• Donny Simonton, Voodoo.com – gTLDs will make millions for registrars and registries.
• Scott Ross, Promediary – gTLDs will forever bow to the .com.
• Troy Rushton, Protrada – gTLDs will cause fragmentation and create opportunities.
• Adam Dicker – gTLDs will confuse the general public.
• Mike Robertson, Domain Guardians – gTLDs will create a lot of buzz.
• Braden Pollock, Legal Brand Marketing – gTLDs will leak traffic to the .com.
• Tan Tran, FreshDrop – gTLDs will make some people go broke.
• Bill Sweetman, Name Ninja – gTLDs will elevate public awareness of domain names.
• Bob Mountain, NameMedia – gTLDs will raise the domain aftermarket water level.
• Dave Evanson, Sedo – gTLDs will selectively expand the relevant options.
• Jeremiah Johnston, Internet Commerce Association – gTLDs will excite and confuse marketing professionals.
• Thies Lindenthal, IDNX – gTLDs will rejuvenate saturated domain markets

 

[JB Lions]

Shocking the ones selling them say good things.

Let's post a list of owners of pizzerias and ask them what we should have for dinner.

 

[wormfood]

Lol I admit some or maybe all of my arguments were bad. But you can't constantly accuse people of making "surface-level" arguments and then post a ton of headlines.

 

[ResoluteDomains]

That myth has already been debugged.......

Not that I dont believe you but I'd be curious to see the data / report / finding on what you're saying...