new gtlds Headless.Domainer in a Topless.Bar

[betthelot]

Now I got your attention. I'm going to burst some myths about the new gTLDs. Its been nearly 2 years since the launch and what have we learnt.

The Registries (UniRegister, Rightside, Donuts, Tucows, Mind + Machines......)

1. ALL of them over estimated demand.
Remember, Mind+Machines saying in 2013, dot COM will be dead in 10 years. Their share price has halved since early 2014.
Frank Shilling said dot COM is going to be like AM radio in 20 years. Does anyone still believe that. Said in DNJ after the first year that he had been over enthusiastic about demand.
Donuts said renewals would be 80%, didnt happen, so they stopped giving out the data.
Rightside, again stock price has halved since early 2014. This month they said, to calm investors, that they will be spending $2million dollars on marketing to make up for the lag in lower than expected registrations.
Tucows Colin said they will get 1,000,000 registrations in first year. Was nearer 300,000. Great company, great marketing but way over estimated demand.
And Verisign stock, the registry for good old .com has increased 50% since the launch of the new gTLDs!

2. The Registries PROPAGANDA. (biased or misleading information)
@DanielNegari gave away names to inflate registration numbers and now is selling them at a loss, for 40 cents at some registrars. Anyone can sell a $10 bill for $9. Of course hes looking to make money on the renewals. All ccc.xyz have been brought out. Who the hell is going to buy 6j3.xyz on the aftermarket. Only one person, a headless.domainer in a topless.bar.

Frank Shilling the Evangelist of the new gTLDs. Smart guy but Im here for the domainer, so I will call him out.
Remember the build up to the launching of the new gTLDs, he was going to make all of the dot link names available at the basic registration price. So you domainers can get an amazing name at reg fee. Didn't happen. The good names he either reserved or registered them himself, to be sold at a premium. 360˚about turn or just misleading?
This is important Frank always says this
Big brands placed their internet presence on .com as it meant commerce, smaller brands and companies followed them into .com
Now we are going to see the same thing to the right of the dot , as big brands leads the way with smaller brands and other companies to follow leading to tens of thousands of new gTLDs.
Its a certainty.
Its Not Going To Happen. BMW will use .BMW and the much touted FOX NEWS will use NEWS.FOX. So what, it means nothing to us domainers. When the public see News.Fox, first they wont remember if its Fox.News or News.Fox and just go to FoxNews.com. They certainly are not going to be thinking this means there is a .online or a .link or a .xyz as I am from the next generation. Now the public see youtu.be or no_url_shorteners and just think its a clever hack but will still go to youtube.com and no_url_shorteners (Yes they had to changed their destination home page from the Lebanon ccTLD .ly to .com in 2011).
This is domainers number 1 hurdle when it comes to selling these new gTLDs, other than to headless.domainers, convincing a business to go with Furniture.Shop when there is a competitor on FurnitureShop.com.
number 2 hurdle is convincing them to put their online presence in the hands of an unknown, untrusted and unestablished TLD.
number 3 hurdle is telling them not to worry about emails going to [email protected] rather than [email protected].
BMW and FOX are fine they got the .com.
These are the 3 reasons why there has been little or no aftermarket sales by domainers to End Users.

3. Confusion - Imagine an enduser seeing .photography, .photo, .photos, .pics, .pictures, .camera .digital, or because he believes he is a genius goes for photography.guru or is it .ninja.
Its overwhelming and confusing so hes sticks with .com because that's what he knows and trust.
No no, lets say that he is that elusive enduser and likes the look of wedding.pics and you being the skilled salesman has got him over the 3 hurdles above. What is he going to offer, with so many options available $1000, why should he offer more. Then you hit him with the bombshell the renewals are $200 a year on this beauty.

4. Fools Gold - As the Evangelists keep saying they look good, they look natural. Yes to us domainers they do but to the general public they look like a hack, a shortner, a tinyURL, they will automatically believe you have the .com. Its ingrained in the public psyche. They dont look at them and think great I dont need to type .com, they really dont care.
This is going to be the hardest and I say an impossible task, is getting the general public to stop thinking only of .com or ccTLD and see and understand the new gTLDs, if you cant do that, businesses will shun the new gTLDs and keep using .coms. They only look good to us.

No doubt there will be domainers that make money from these new gTLDs but most will lose money. I see on here awful names and the charge into .xyz or .top but outside NNN.xyz or Keyword.xyz or LLL.xyz there is virtual no chance of an enduser sale and you are relying on the headless.domainer in a topless.bar.

 

[Manik]

Do you mind giving a few examples? Not that I don't believe you. But I don't see many big companies using .info and .biz. I see *some* small companies using .biz. But I think what will happen is that gradually these small businesses will transition away from .biz and info other extensions.

Next time when you do several google search, you'll automatically witness .info, biz, domains. Also a lot of these types of domains keeping popping on billboards at airports and railways stations.

Just be open. Being Flexible didn't kill anybody...

 

[jbjbjbjbjbjb]

Interesting thread, agree for the most part and would add the following.

the whole point of gtld's was provide some viable name options to end users who don't have budget to participate in .com. There IS a big market for "end users" making use of gtlds or cctld.

The biggest problem however is the pricing. Registries are inflating value in the .gtlds. Their priority should be to make them available, accessible and reasonably priced. THAT will increase uptake and acceptance (chip/xyz did that right). At the moment they are pricing them as a 'premium' option which they just are not and will not be for the next decade at least. Pricing like this is also the opposite of what the whole point of gtld's was. Just because it's available doesn't make it 'premium'.

This all hurts investment opportunity because people are buying gtld's as "cheap/available alternatives to .com", not as an equivalent product.

IF you have a very strong gtld, i'd suggest keeping it if possible because there are a lot of natural word benefits to them which can apply outside of pure domain name applications. Some examples of that would be things like car.rentals, phone.repairs, audio.sales. Relevance is critical.

lastly, just because it's available doesn't mean its worth anything ;D

 

[JB Lions]

Just talking about the biggest companies on the internet, let's say top 500 merchants. It's literally over 99% using .com. I can post the list if you want to go thru it. Years ago Internet Retailer had those lists public, now you have to pay for them. So the list I have is about 3 years old. So kids growing up today, will still be seeing those .coms, even into adulthood.

Then if you simply read the blog that goes thru what new startups are using, it's mostly .com, every now and then you'll see a new gtld.

Still:

http://dnpric.es/?q=.xyz
http://dnpric.es/?q=.top

Not so bad?!!

It's bad to me. When actual premium keywords like shoes, pets, media can't break $1,000, it's not a good look. Actually 2 of those keywords sold for less than $500. Those top sales are 1 or 2 characters. The top real word sale, isn't even a real sale.

 

[DOMAIN ILLUMINATI]

.top doesn't make any sense

.top is the TLD with the biggest sense of all TLDs in a global long run view.
Time is the answer.

 

[betthelot]

I just list my names as landing pages and then add them to the most common market places. Then I sit and wait. So no superstar seller skills needed.

@kohsamui You are a superstar in my eyes. Over 50 names sold!
How many to endusers? What prices did you get?

 

[betthelot]

All we have to do is incept in the mind of public. It'll just take few years. Like .info or .biz.

If the new gTLDs become like .info .biz we are doomed. Hardly any enquires, hardly any sales.

1. .top doesn't make any sense
2. I think it is just too hard for them to build a business around a new gtld without owning the .com also!

3. There can only be so many .cloud companies that start up that don't have a dot com. They won't come running to you to buy your whateverjustbecauseitwasavailable.cloud domain for $xx or $xx,xxx. Get friggin real domainers!

1. Top is used in Chinese to denote a business or person who is at the top of their field. They dont use any other term to express it. We use top or best or greatest ........ Thats why its found favor in China.

2. Agree. I think part of the issue here is most domainers have not started and ran a successful business, so dont think like the enduser they are trying to sell to.
The top brokers, Andrew Rosener media options DO. Interestingly I dont see any of the new gTLDs for sale on their website!

3.AGREE

 

[betthelot]

.top is the TLD with the biggest sense of all TLDs in a global long run view.
Time is the answer.

Time is not the answer. Enduser demand is the answer. Dont fall for the Registry's propaganda.

 

[domainsoup]

Still:

http://dnpric.es/?q=.xyz
http://dnpric.es/?q=.top

Not so bad?!

But I agree with you that you need to think before you buy! Especially when a domain is more than $10, $20 or even $50!

You know what's depressing?

http://dnpric.es/?q=.work

Good GTLD but 8/12 listed sales are $14 or less! WTF

 

[betthelot]

Ha Ha
Says it all Domainsoup

 

[DomainVP]

Nice write up @betthelot

Every time I see the 'new domain' debate I feel like looking for $20 4L.coms , because I feel like its 2013.

My take on it all: New extensions are great for cheap throwaway campaigns, and .COMs are great for establishing your brand presence online. It's how I predicted they would be used, and that's how they are being used today.

Any business that puts their main public facing initiative on anything but a .COM is a .dope .

 

[DOMAIN ILLUMINATI]

Time is not the answer. Enduser demand is the answer. Dont fall for the Registry's propaganda.

Enduser demand comes with time, so time is the answer at the end
Don't fall for any propaganda.
.top doesn't need 'propaganda' because 'striving to top' is a natural human disposition.

 

[SuperDomains.com]

Now I got your attention. I'm going to burst some myths about the new gTLDs. Its been nearly 2 years since the launch and what have we learnt.

The Registries (UniRegister, Rightside, Donuts, Tucows, Mind + Machines......)

1. ALL of them over estimated demand.
Remember, Mind+Machines saying in 2013, dot COM will be dead in 10 years. Their share price has halved since early 2014.
Frank Shilling said dot COM is going to be like AM radio in 20 years. Does anyone still believe that. Said in DNJ after the first year that he had been over enthusiastic about demand.
Donuts said renewals would be 80%, didnt happen, so they stopped giving out the data.
Rightside, again stock price has halved since early 2014. This month they said, to calm investors, that they will be spending $2million dollars on marketing to make up for the lag in lower than expected registrations.
Tucows Colin said they will get 1,000,000 registrations in first year. Was nearer 300,000. Great company, great marketing but way over estimated demand.
And Verisign stock, the registry for good old .com has increased 50% since the launch of the new gTLDs!

2. The Registries PROPAGANDA. (biased or misleading information)
@DanielNegari gave away names to inflate registration numbers and now is selling them at a loss, for 40 cents at some registrars. Anyone can sell a $10 bill for $9. Of course hes looking to make money on the renewals. All ccc.xyz have been brought out. Who the hell is going to buy 6j3.xyz on the aftermarket. Only one person, a headless.domainer in a topless.bar.

Frank Shilling the Evangelist of the new gTLDs. Smart guy but Im here for the domainer, so I will call him out.
Remember the build up to the launching of the new gTLDs, he was going to make all of the dot link names available at the basic registration price. So you domainers can get an amazing name at reg fee. Didn't happen. The good names he either reserved or registered them himself, to be sold at a premium. 360˚about turn or just misleading?
This is important Frank always says this
Big brands placed their internet presence on .com as it meant commerce, smaller brands and companies followed them into .com
Now we are going to see the same thing to the right of the dot , as big brands leads the way with smaller brands and other companies to follow leading to tens of thousands of new gTLDs.
Its a certainty.
Its Not Going To Happen. BMW will use .BMW and the much touted FOX NEWS will use NEWS.FOX. So what, it means nothing to us domainers. When the public see News.Fox, first they wont remember if its Fox.News or News.Fox and just go to FoxNews.com. They certainly are not going to be thinking this means there is a .online or a .link or a .xyz as I am from the next generation. Now the public see youtu.be or no_url_shorteners and just think its a clever hack but will still go to youtube.com and no_url_shorteners (Yes they had to changed their destination home page from the Lebanon ccTLD .ly to .com in 2011).
This is domainers number 1 hurdle when it comes to selling these new gTLDs, other than to headless.domainers, convincing a business to go with Furniture.Shop when there is a competitor on FurnitureShop.com.
number 2 hurdle is convincing them to put their online presence in the hands of an unknown, untrusted and unestablished TLD.
number 3 hurdle is telling them not to worry about emails going to
BMW and FOX are fine they got the .com.
These are the 3 reasons why there has been little or no aftermarket sales by domainers to End Users.

3. Confusion - Imagine an enduser seeing .photography, .photo, .photos, .pics, .pictures, .camera .digital, or because he believes he is a genius goes for photography.guru or is it .ninja.
Its overwhelming and confusing so hes sticks with .com because that's what he knows and trust.
No no, lets say that he is that elusive enduser and likes the look of wedding.pics and you being the skilled salesman has got him over the 3 hurdles above. What is he going to offer, with so many options available $1000, why should he offer more. Then you hit him with the bombshell the renewals are $200 a year on this beauty.

4. Fools Gold - As the Evangelists keep saying they look good, they look natural. Yes to us domainers they do but to the general public they look like a hack, a shortner, a tinyURL, they will automatically believe you have the .com. Its ingrained in the public psyche. They dont look at them and think great I dont need to type .com, they really dont care.
This is going to be the hardest and I say an impossible task, is getting the general public to stop thinking only of .com or ccTLD and see and understand the new gTLDs, if you cant do that, businesses will shun the new gTLDs and keep using .coms. They only look good to us.

No doubt there will be domainers that make money from these new gTLDs but most will lose money. I see on here awful names and the charge into .xyz or .top but outside NNN.xyz or Keyword.xyz or LLL.xyz there is virtual no chance of an enduser sale and you are relying on the headless.domainer in a topless.bar.

Good information. I personally don't like the .xyz domain. The .com sld will continue to rock for years to come.

 

[Kate]

the whole point of gtld's was provide some viable name options to end users who don't have budget to participate in .com. There IS a big market for "end users" making use of gtlds or cctld.

Well that is the official, intended purpose. But any observer who knows the industry well knows that of course this is a sham.
The primary goal is to create new revenue streams for the registries and the registrars. This is a deliberate move by Icann which is truly becoming a self-serving, FIFA-like organization.

That doesn't mean there are no opportunities at all, or that you should stay away absolutely. But you need to understand the game you're playing, it is rigged and the odds are stacked against you. If you don't understand that, you will be a victim.

As I expected, new extensions are distracting domainers, and they have a detrimental effect in the sense that they are sucking the disposable income of domainers.
They are now giving all their money to the registries aka the new domainers. I find it sad.

It is no big deal when gambling on a few regs, for example .xyz can be had for $1 a pop I believe, but some acquisitions are more expensive. The small amounts add up. I am trying to figure out how much money NPers are wasting collectively. I have no idea, but I am sure the money could be used toward more productive purchases.
It is scary to see domainers buying names in unproven extensions in EAP or getting involved in buyouts that we know are futile, dabbling in extensions that were dismissed as junk until very recently, fighting over scraps... but this is not always about new extensions here, it is about the Chinese craze, the .xyz hysteria mobi-style etc. They all amount to pipe dreams for the most part.

New extensions are being released almost every month now, and domainers are quick to move on to the next and quickly forget about yesterday. Not too many sales to report probably.

We have seen it all before, again and again. And no, the game isn't completely different this time.
It's still a fools game, with different players. There was somebody in your seat before.

It is time to revisit the tenets from the prophets of doom:

• dotcom is going to lose steam to the new extensions: you can see for yourself, dotcom has grown as much as all new extensions combined (and in spite of the 'zone stuffing', freebies etc), and the ccTLDs are doing fine. I think it says a lot, registrants are voting with their wallets and the propaganda isn't good enough.
  
• new extensions will be mainstream in a few years time: we are in the third year already, and little progress has been made in terms of global awareness - don't expect overnight changes

Domainers always tend to overestimate end user demand. There is hardly any end user demand for domain names even in .com. What do you expect when you end up with a pile of leftovers in oddball TLDs that nobody is familiar with ? It's the greatest fool theory in action.

 

[MisterSoft.com]

Now I got your attention. I'm going to burst some myths about the new gTLDs. Its been nearly 2 years since the launch and what have we learnt.

The Registries (UniRegister, Rightside, Donuts, Tucows, Mind + Machines......)

1. ALL of them over estimated demand.
Remember, Mind+Machines saying in 2013, dot COM will be dead in 10 years. Their share price has halved since early 2014.
Frank Shilling said dot COM is going to be like AM radio in 20 years. Does anyone still believe that. Said in DNJ after the first year that he had been over enthusiastic about demand.
Donuts said renewals would be 80%, didnt happen, so they stopped giving out the data.
Rightside, again stock price has halved since early 2014. This month they said, to calm investors, that they will be spending $2million dollars on marketing to make up for the lag in lower than expected registrations.
Tucows Colin said they will get 1,000,000 registrations in first year. Was nearer 300,000. Great company, great marketing but way over estimated demand.
And Verisign stock, the registry for good old .com has increased 50% since the launch of the new gTLDs!

2. The Registries PROPAGANDA. (biased or misleading information)
@DanielNegari gave away names to inflate registration numbers and now is selling them at a loss, for 40 cents at some registrars. Anyone can sell a $10 bill for $9. Of course hes looking to make money on the renewals. All ccc.xyz have been brought out. Who the hell is going to buy 6j3.xyz on the aftermarket. Only one person, a headless.domainer in a topless.bar.

Frank Shilling the Evangelist of the new gTLDs. Smart guy but Im here for the domainer, so I will call him out.
Remember the build up to the launching of the new gTLDs, he was going to make all of the dot link names available at the basic registration price. So you domainers can get an amazing name at reg fee. Didn't happen. The good names he either reserved or registered them himself, to be sold at a premium. 360˚about turn or just misleading?
This is important Frank always says this
Big brands placed their internet presence on .com as it meant commerce, smaller brands and companies followed them into .com
Now we are going to see the same thing to the right of the dot , as big brands leads the way with smaller brands and other companies to follow leading to tens of thousands of new gTLDs.
Its a certainty.
Its Not Going To Happen. BMW will use .BMW and the much touted FOX NEWS will use NEWS.FOX. So what, it means nothing to us domainers. When the public see News.Fox, first they wont remember if its Fox.News or News.Fox and just go to FoxNews.com. They certainly are not going to be thinking this means there is a .online or a .link or a .xyz as I am from the next generation. Now the public see youtu.be or no_url_shorteners and just think its a clever hack but will still go to youtube.com and no_url_shorteners (Yes they had to changed their destination home page from the Lebanon ccTLD .ly to .com in 2011).
This is domainers number 1 hurdle when it comes to selling these new gTLDs, other than to headless.domainers, convincing a business to go with Furniture.Shop when there is a competitor on FurnitureShop.com.
number 2 hurdle is convincing them to put their online presence in the hands of an unknown, untrusted and unestablished TLD.
number 3 hurdle is telling them not to worry about emails going to [email protected] rather than [email protected].
BMW and FOX are fine they got the .com.
These are the 3 reasons why there has been little or no aftermarket sales by domainers to End Users.

3. Confusion - Imagine an enduser seeing .photography, .photo, .photos, .pics, .pictures, .camera .digital, or because he believes he is a genius goes for photography.guru or is it .ninja.
Its overwhelming and confusing so hes sticks with .com because that's what he knows and trust.
No no, lets say that he is that elusive enduser and likes the look of wedding.pics and you being the skilled salesman has got him over the 3 hurdles above. What is he going to offer, with so many options available $1000, why should he offer more. Then you hit him with the bombshell the renewals are $200 a year on this beauty.

4. Fools Gold - As the Evangelists keep saying they look good, they look natural. Yes to us domainers they do but to the general public they look like a hack, a shortner, a tinyURL, they will automatically believe you have the .com. Its ingrained in the public psyche. They dont look at them and think great I dont need to type .com, they really dont care.
This is going to be the hardest and I say an impossible task, is getting the general public to stop thinking only of .com or ccTLD and see and understand the new gTLDs, if you cant do that, businesses will shun the new gTLDs and keep using .coms. They only look good to us.

No doubt there will be domainers that make money from these new gTLDs but most will lose money. I see on here awful names and the charge into .xyz or .top but outside NNN.xyz or Keyword.xyz or LLL.xyz there is virtual no chance of an enduser sale and you are relying on the headless.domainer in a topless.bar.

.ly is the ccTld for LIBYA not Lebanon!
Lebanon cctld is .lb!
You are behaving like a headless chicken.... :D

 

[brindle123]

Don't fall for any propaganda.

You really like .top and promote it! Of course you won't say anything bad about it and it is the best thing to come along ever.

Let's just see when and if you can sell toptoptoptoptoptop.top or however long it is. Good luck trying to sell that domain. You wasted some money on that one!

What companies are using .top?????????????????????????????????
How many sales are to end users of .top??????????????????????????
How much money have you spent on .top verses how much money you've made on .top???????????????

New gtlds aren't marketed to end users! They are marketed to domainers. They are not bought and used by companies and end users, they are being bought by domainers.

Most of these are a waste of money. Keep telling everyone about the great domains you've reg'd that weren't held back. There is a reason they weren't held back....because they .suck!!!!!

.tattoo
.blackfriday
Oh I can see someone buying those from us for millions!! .blackfriday is only good for one day out of the year!

 

[Fancy.domains]

@kohsamui What prices did you get?

$25 - $3500. Average is just below $500.

 

[cmdomains]

I guess this was how the pyramid was made.

 

[HotKey]

Drinking.coffee and reading the morning.news. It appears with a whole 2 years into a 30+ year industry, the fate of the new gTLDs are set in stone. Ok, granted there are some great points in here. One can't deny many of new extension are a waste of money. A lot of the so called "marketing" done by the registries or high-profile reps make it seem as if every new TLD is the next 'big thing', or at the very least, worth investing in. But these should be obvious selling tactics, used for centuries by any merchant in any industry.

Ironically, the nicely-crafted headliner of this thread is what drew me in to read it. I would say if the same logic was applied to market these gTLDs to the general populace, we would start seeing more universal acceptance and appeal.

After all, remember the days when people would type in addresses directly into the url bar of their browser? End users and domainers alike would do that just to get a kick out of seeing where that dot-com ended up at. And that is how they became so popular. Somewhere, the fun got taken out of domain names. Lets put it back in. For us and for end users. Surely that's not asking too much out of domainers. You can't peddle a product you don't enjoy. Ultimately, it may be us domainers that decide the fate of these new gTLDs.

 

[Gobinath]

@betthelot
Very interesting thread!

 

[Kate]

Ultimately, it may be us domainers that decide the fate of these new gTLDs.

If what you are saying is true, it means the TLDs are completely dependent on domainers and have no sufficient user base. Then they are doomed.
But it is true, some registries are heavily counting on domainers to keep them afloat. Because everybody knows that domainers are gullible and will buy anything. End users are a bit more down to earth

 

[brindle123]

this is why .ws repriced there 2-3character domains. Not for end users but for domainers, specially the chinese market.

 

[betthelot]

Enduser demand comes with time, so time is the answer at the end
Don't fall for any propaganda.
.top doesn't need 'propaganda' because 'striving to top' is a natural human disposition.

Im going to try and get you to listen to reason, one more time. If you still blindly believe 'its a matter of time' either your part of the .top registry or there is no hope for you.

I will use Frank Schilling to prove my point and stop the perpetual myth that just because he says it, its gospel and therefore his disciples keep blindly following him to the promise land.

First Year: there was going to be enormous demand and domainers are going to make a fortune. This is what he said in early 2014 at the start of the launch...
Regarding new gTLDs, there is so much demand for good names right now, 2014 is going to be like throwing a drum of jet fuel on a roaring bonfire
It’s going to be a crazy year, anyone in this space in 2014 is definitely NOT the year you want to be sitting on the sidelines.
Fortunes turn and are made in a second and this year fortune will favor those who participate. This coming year (more than any in the history of the domain name business).

Second Year: OK now 2015, is going to be the year .anything blooms and domainers will make big money. This is what he said in early 2015 after a disappointing uptake in 2014.
.... most surprising was the slower uptake of new gTLDs. Skeptics created an anticlimactic buzzkill vibe and we were surprised that the consuming public and other registrars were not standing there eagerly to take the baton and run forward with the same zeal.
That is going to absolutely change in 2015 because the price of new gTLDs is so laughably low and the reward is so high. 2015 and 2016 are going to be the years of dot anything and the bloom is going to be more and more as retailers wake up to “better” names. Hardly anything has happened yet. Bigger growth and uptick in values like from $0 gaining overnight to $5,000 in the resale market.

Third Year: OK now 2016 and Frank is lot quieter about growth and value and how much domainers will profit. Now his position is its just a matter of time (unspecified, just open ended). This is what he twitted, when his 2015 forecast clearly wasn't happening.

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win

What has Gandhi got to do with investing in domains

He will make money because hes smarter than you or me. He knows to keep domainers renewing their names he needs them to believe its only a matter of time. But note in years 1 and 2 it was demand from endusers and that domainers will make a fortune, thats what would make you renew. So why now renew, oh yes believing the propaganda "its just a matter of time". Registry wins and domainers lose.

 

[garptrader]

I will admit however than one of the criticisms I had of new TLDs was the premium pricing duing early access and premium renewals for the better keywords. If registrations and renewals are $1, then the bubble could last a while. Here is a scenario...

Domainer 1 registers 100 new TLDs at $1/each and sells in bulk to domainer 2 for $200 total, $100 gain

Domainer 2 sells his/her lot of 100 domains to domainer 3 for $300, $100 gain

Domainer 3 sells their lot of 100 domains to domaner 4 for $400, $100 gain

Domainer 4 sells 1 of the 100 domains to an end user for $400 and sells the rest to domainer 1 for $100

The cycle repeats until renewals come up but if renewals are $1 each, the boom could last longer than the critics believe is possible. Admittedly Miami.condos and Sports.cars do sound cool if the acquisition cost and holding costs are low enough.

 

[betthelot]

I will admit however than one of the criticisms I had of new TLDs was the premium pricing duing early access and premium renewals for the better keywords.

Thats where domainers got screwed and the biggest reason there was no aftermaket. Registries completely under estimated how important domainers are to the eco system and how they help create public awareness. With little chance of making money, due to EAP and premiuim renewals why should domainers promote them to endusers.

 

[DOMAIN ILLUMINATI]

...
What companies are using .top?
...
...about the great domains you've reg'd...
...
.tattoo
.blackfriday
Oh I can see someone buying those from us for millions!! .blackfriday is only good for one day out of the year!
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You can find even big companies which are using .top
Here are some few examples:

ROLLS-ROYCE
www.rolls-royce.top
https://who.is/whois/rolls-royce.top
Currently they use it as forwarding domain to their .com website.

OTTO
www.otto.top
https://who.is/whois/otto.top
Currently they use it as forwarding domain to their .com website.

ALIBABA
www.hitao.top
https://who.is/whois/hitao.top
Currently they use it as domain for their website.

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The .top domains which I have weren't held back because they are german and I was an 'early bird' - that's the reason. If you would know german language you would see how premium my german names are

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I wasn't talking about .blackfriday or .tattoo - I talked about .top