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Recently, a discussion has arisen on NamePros, asking whether the Chinese domain market could be at an end. This question comes after a couple of months of declining prices after a period of steep growth at the end of 2015. In this article, I wanted to give another perspective on this question from someone who speaks daily with investors and brokers in China.

Where do we start when discussing the Chinese market? Twelve months ago seems like as good a time as any. According to LLLLSales.com, on the 1st May 2015, a "Chinese Premium" four-letter .COM would cost you around $215. At their peak in December, the same domain would cost around $2,500. The price today? Around $1,251 on average.

Over the course of twelve months, every Chinese Premium four-letter .COM domain has appreciated by just over $1,000, or 481.86%. By any means, this is a huge increase, and there are still investors buying at this price point. Over the past week, I've had several requests for large portfolios of four-letter .COMs, with some investors looking to spend over $1mm on four-letter .COM purchases.

The sharp increase in value of four-letter .COMs meant that other short domains such as two letter, two number, three letter and three number domains increased in value and demand too, with three-letter Chinese Premium .COMs selling for $70,000+ at their peak.

This sudden boom meant that the wider domaining community realised what some investors had known for a long time: short domains are valuable, with domains that include patterns tending to be even more valuable. The boom brought about the occurrence of riskier markets such as six-number and five-letter, as well as new gTLD opportunities that all had low entry points.

These entry points also meant that a small amount of investors could create hype around a market, driving the price up and then selling. It's a practice that is widely known, and has made several investors extremely rich. Unfortunately, smaller investors who can't afford to lose money sometimes get caught up in the hype, buying when the names are at their most expensive, and who may now be stuck with rapidly depreciating domains.

Now that Chinese domain markets are showing dramatic drops, does it mean that the Chinese market as a whole is at an end? In my opinion, no. I think the market is entering another phase. From the data that's available, it looks like several riskier markets are dropping in value severely. Random combinations of numbers or letters are reducing in value whilst strong patterns are holding their value.

From speaking with several Chinese investors and brokers, I think that the new phase of the Chinese market could be based around what domain names an end-user (Chinese or otherwise) would acquire. It's been proven over the past 20+ years that the lifeblood of the domain industry is in end-user domain sales, and I think that China could be realising this fact.

For the Chinese market, the end-user demand is slightly different than a Western market. Numbers and short names tend to be more popular amongst Chinese companies, as has been demonstrated by @Kassey Lee on many occasions.

Recently, Beijing's authorities have approved changes to China's business naming system. Now, companies can use a string of up to five numbers instead of a name. Could this mean that domains consisting of up to five numbers might have a higher value amongst investors, thanks to acquisitions from end-users?

Whilst all "Chinese" domain categories have been affected to some extent, many categories are holding their value, and are still showing large increases from this time last year. Patterns look to be holding their value (or showing increases in some cases), whilst random strings are showing a decline. I'd expect this divide to continue, with the focus moving back to the end-user rather than the recent focus on investors. What do you think? Have your say in the comments section.
 
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The amount of your balls determine the amount of your wealth.
 
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Renewals are coming.. It will be funny to see how large portfolios of random domains will be handled
 
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I think if you stick with .com there is always going to be some interest
 
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The Chinese have always been a player in this industry, not all are newbies but recent trends have popularized domaining in this large country.

Having a keen eye on whois records of recently registered domains I can tell you this is far from the end of the Chinese market.

I have always noticed that the Chinese are particularly interested in technology related domains and despite the language barrier they have no problems grabbing the top shelf of English language tech .com domains.

I'm actually quite shocked at the stats I see from my research lately that I can safely predict the Chinese will soon become a major/dominant player in this industry.
 
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I see it as a start. Fortune always favor the bold.
 
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Pattern & Chip domaining within Alpha characters is about to die, because as you say....

new phase of the Chinese market could be based around what domain names an end-user (Chinese or otherwise) would acquire.

This is what it should have always been. So anything with totally random letters, which are the majority of 'chips', are doing to drop like the titanic.

A price point of $1200+ for a 'chip' is still absurd.
 
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The chinese domain market has existed for many years and is not new. It won't go away but it might go back to where it previously was.

The recent buyouts and massive rise in prices had all hallmarks of an asset bubble.

Sooner or later there has to be a reversal of prices. Personally I wouldn't be surprised if it we see end 2014 prices again.
 
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Renewals are coming.. It will be funny to see how large portfolios of random domains will be handled

This is when the masks will drop. We will see who are pumpers, and who are investors :)
 
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when everybody is "done" with chips
they will rise


today 580 4l.com chips sold in china alone

that a huge rise in volum at a point in time where
4l.com chips form a soldi bottom

means:
they will rise soon


4l.com chips:
http://domainpayout.com/4lcom/4lcomchips.php
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pretty solid for the last 3 days



4l.com random letters
http://domainpayout.com/4lcom/4lcomnonchips.php

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the averag price of 4l.com "as such" ( any 4l.com average )
http://domainpayout.com/4lcom/4lcom.php


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Most of the Chinese who bought domains last year seems like they are investors and they too need to sell some of their acquisions probably before they can buy again. A nd just few of them are still looking for domains to invest.
 
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Thank you for the deep analysis about the Chinese domain market
 
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I purchased an LLL.com CHIP:with a Q in it for $4.3k in 2010 on a whim for its cool factor (ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, TMZ, AAA...), to be part of the elite 17,576 club and to possibly use it for a blog. My highest offer was 65k about a year ago. Was hoping for a long shot to sell it in time for $200k. Currently seeing the average 3L.com CHIP on nameBio going for about 40-50k.
Still seeing the same LLL.com domains on SEDO trying to fetch an average asking price of $125k for a CHIP domain. Could I realistically expect to get $100k in time? I have mixed feeling as to weather I should have sold the domain at 65k..
3 months ago I was going to invest a ridiculous 24k in either 4LLLL.com CHIP domains @ 2.5k/domain or a NNNN.com. Not sure what made me hesitate to invest in those LLLL.com's but I'm highly fortunate I didn't.

Great investment! I think you have hesitated on investing in 4L chip because the noise spread out. Successful investors know when It's too late to invest and in many cases it's when you discover that too may people have the same thinking as you.

3L .com demand from end users is massive. Our goal is to sell to end-users. And I strongly believe that $80,000+ for a 3L is not crazy. It's every domain investors dream to own a 3L or 2L .com. Don't get me wrong. The demand is increasing daily. One thing for sure, I don't see the floor price going under $4,3000 ..... :) Solid, low risk investment!
 
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Wonder, why Chinese still buying?
 
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I'm so done with this CHIPS nonsense....

Even when the value of say LLLL.com goes up or down at the end of the day, it's about whether or not you can actually sell it for the price that it's worth, like any other domain.

If you can't find the right buyer to pay what it's worth what good is it to know that it's worth 2500? There are only a few sales sales per day and hundreds of thousands more unsold domains. They're not all going to sell....so they're going to sit around collecting dust or being traded among domainers for a fraction of what they're "worth". The "worth" of CHIPS is extremely misleading and gives the impression that your domain is going to sell, just because it's "worth" something.

That "worth" bullshit is just an indication that another domainer will want your domain for possible resale. It's not what "most" of us will actually earn.
 
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There has been an explosion in CHIP registrations the last couple years. Domains have renewal costs so domainers trading amongst themselves cannot sustain a market long-term. There have to be end users in sufficient quantity to support the market. Have end user purchases of CHIPS exploded the last few years? How many Chinese startups are launched every week which are seeking a domain name?
 
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The one thing I've learned about the "chinese domain market", is that it is very difficult to predict where it will move. The recent changes are great examples of this.
 
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Why the number of inquiry from China is increasing?
 
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lowball offers? maybe Chinese domainers trying to capitalize on Western fears that the Chinese Boom might be decreasing? many $100-$200 offers?
Yeah $90 for 4L .net chips and like $150 for 4L .com -_-

They want us to be scared so they can buy all the valuable domains at bottom price..
 
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It's been proven over the past 20+ years that the lifeblood of the domain industry is in end-user domain sales, and I think that China could be realising this fact.
This sums-up everything. As @Kassey Lee - pinyin expert - has also mentioned so many times in his posts, it's important to think of a domain from end-users' perspective. Chip/non-chip doesn't have much significance, it's all about how a domain name can add value to a company.
 
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Yes chips prices have fallen from high of $2500 to $1200 now, but IMO thats still Ok. isnt there profit for sellers? Sellers can also wait some more and see if their prices go up(afterall, supply of good names keeps reducing and interest overall wont dissapear), so i dont think its that catastrophic for domainers. If you can still sell and make a good profit then do so and move on. With enough volume the profit on chips and 4Ls should still be ok. I worry some people want to be overnight millionaires and get quick results. domaining has never been a quick buck industry really. I also agree chinese are not going anywhere. getting "swayed"by short term news is dangerous. lets not forget the internet in many countries is still expanding. Most of Asia, Middle east and Africa are still in growth mode.
 
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...domaining has never been a quick buck industry really...

Not true ;) Look back on the last 6 months of 2015 ;)
But I agree with the rest of your post.
 
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But what happened in that time period was surely an anomaly.outliers dont define general trend. no worries though!! lol

I agree. However, I am very happy because of such anomalies :) But you must know when you are investing, and when you just speculation or even gambling.
Short .coms and keyword .coms are always best investment. OK, LLLL.com chips are also short .com domains, but after $200-$300 they entered into speculative area.
 
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As what the article mentioned, some domains based on letters and numbers has experienced shaking stage, that's truth.

However, actually Chinese market is still booming, just many internal investors cannot step deeply into the market. As the difference between China and the western in economy, their domain investment is different from the most of the global as well.
 
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