ZFbot.com now charging 10 bucks per month!

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  1. hookbox

    hookbox Active Member VIP

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    You have got to be kidding me. I can understand charging 10 bucks a month for a service that actually gives you 10 bucks worth of tools but come on ZFbot you are not there yet.
     
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  2. Haykay2005

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    Same way Ramped kill its business
     
  3. hookbox

    hookbox Active Member VIP

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    Yep, I told them the first week of launch that charging to list was their death sentence.
     
  4. DGMDomains

    DGMDomains Established Member

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    Damn thats a shame. I use the service time to time. They should just accept donations or contributions for now...
     
  5. Adam27

    Adam27 Cryptography.us For Sale! Business Account VIP

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    Seems reasonable as it is a useful service. I'm sure some will pay it.

    Maybe they could offer a yearly discount?
     
  6. bene

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    i just change my account info to zero zero. now longer using zfbot.com again, i can not pay even $1 as a fee not worth it because i can still search related domains using google etc.

    bye bye zfbot. wish you success:xf.smile:
     
  7. jmcc

    jmcc Top Member VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    Can understand why ZFbot is doing this. It takes money to run servers and the sponsorship/affiliate stuff might not have been paying enough.

    Regards...jmcc
     
  8. hookbox

    hookbox Active Member VIP

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    I agree we should pay something but there isn't enough of a service there to charge 10 bucks a month. I use it from time to time but not enough for that. Maybe they could charge per lookup or something creative. They are asking for money but they aren't even telling you what you get for it. Someone new would have no clue what they were getting for their money.
     
  9. jmcc

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    A flat rate is probably the easiest to implement. A per lookup rate would cause a lot of problems because different searches might require different pricing depending on the resources used for the query. At least it isn't as bad as what Domaintools did.

    Regards...jmcc
     
  10. equity78

    equity78 Top Member TLDInvestors.com TheDomains Staff PRO Business Account VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    yeah they just disappeared didn't they? I never understood the we brokered $39million in domain sales, did anyone verify that?
     
  11. hookbox

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    I don't think so.
     
  12. Adam27

    Adam27 Cryptography.us For Sale! Business Account VIP

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    Yup. Most here seriously underestimate hosting and development costs.

    Site is up. Seems @McKay Taylor brokers still?

    Efty used to be a free service in beta.
     
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  13. Recons.Com

    Recons.Com Business Member Business Account VIP

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    Is there an alternative to zfbot?
     
  14. Haris

    Haris Best Domainer Of The End-Times Business Account VIP

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    namedroppers.com

    I use both, almost everyday, but now unfortunately I won't use zfbot.com. Both have different benefits. Zfbot supports hundreds of ngtld's and also few cctld's and lists thousands of domain names and we don't have to add a hyphen. We just enable hyphen and zfbot would add all domains with hyphens in them. For example:
    I enable hyphens and search for "summer". The search results would include "s-ummer", "su-m-mer" etc.

    NameDroppers lists 50 domains at a time. If you want to see all domains you will have to pay. But you can view many domains by changing the maximum-minimum lengths. Try it, you will come across several features that were missing in zfbot. But NameDroppers only supports .com, .net, .org, info and .us
     
  15. equity78

    equity78 Top Member TLDInvestors.com TheDomains Staff PRO Business Account VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    Efty was free and they have built a userbase, the key to every paid service comes down to this, Does the customer believe the juice (benefit) is worth the squeeze (price)?

    Perfect example, I cancelled Domain Tools and went to DomainIq but when Daily Changes became paid, I was going to pay for Domain Tools for that access and DNS.Link came along.

    Maybe plenty of people would see $3 a month $30 paid yearly as the value worth paying for the site.
     
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  16. equity78

    equity78 Top Member TLDInvestors.com TheDomains Staff PRO Business Account VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    Brokers still? I am asking about the $39 million already claimed.
     
  17. Adam27

    Adam27 Cryptography.us For Sale! Business Account VIP

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    DomainTools CEO stated that cybersecurity firms are a big part of the business. I think the focus shifted to that customer base.

    It pays to know Chinese. :)

    https://www.namepros.com/blog/expert-exchange-an-interview-with-domain-broker-mckay-taylor.967450/

     
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  19. Ken Greenwood

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    Hello all... I can understand everyone's frustration regarding me starting to charge for the use of zfbot. But let me just give you my feelings on it. First off - I'm a domainer just like all of you. It's just not really my main focus in life. I have a day job that pays my bills. Domaining is a side gig for me. Secondly, I built zfbot back in 2009 (If I can recall correctly) and have made it free to everyone for almost a decade. It costs me over 100 bucks a month to host the server required to keep a service like that up and running. The database is half a terrabyte and the zone loads are running 24/7. There are over 3,000 people using it constantly. And after almost 10 years of supporting this effort, I've realized that I'd rather have 20 people paying me for the service than 3,000 people using it for free so that I can at least pay for the server. Pretty simple financial math. I'm more than happy to negotiate a fee that everyone thinks it's equitable but I'm not going to continue to support the service for no return. I hope everyone can understand my take on that. Ken
     
  20. biggie

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    Hi Ken

    in those 10 yrs., i've never been to your site.
    like a store i never shopped at, perhaps not intentionally, just wasn't on the path.

    but, i like the way you expressed, your side of the coin.

    plus the fact you did all that, for all those years, for free!

    your service probably helped a lot of mofo's come-up in the game.

    but now, some don't wanna pay the price, that the game now costs... to play in.

    when you consider how many other, "up and wanna be coming services" now, they want to charge a fee from day 1... and their shiz-zit ain't even proven to be what they cliz-zame it is.

    so, my brother, do what you gotta do
    i ain't mad at ya!


    imo.....
     
  21. Ken Greenwood

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    And regarding functionality to make it more palatable to pay for the service - I have been working with a few well known domainers to put together some very interesting lists of pending delete, upcoming drops, and godaddy deleted domains... the lists are compiled of domains that I crunch through an algorithm that finds the most valuable ones - or in other words, domains that have the highest resale potential. I take the entirity of the domain list and find the domains that:
    1. Are a .com
    2. Have no number and have no dashes
    3. Have some age (greater than 5 years old)
    4. Has a length of 15 characters or less
    5. Starts with a word of at least 3 characters
    6. Ends with a word of at least 3 characters
    7. Has at least 5 general matching registered domains

    The resulting list of domains are the "low hanging fruit" domains that have many matching registered domains and are the domains that can be purchased for a small amount of $ and flipped for a large amount of $.

    And the only people who will have access to these lists will be people subscribing to zfbot so they will have an advantage of those who do not. Yes, you could find these domains by manually searching for them but you could also get them at your finger tips every day.

    I was going to post a few links to examples for you all but this forum won't allow posting of links. If you're interested, I can email a sample to you. support @ zfbot . com

    Ken
     
  22. bene

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    hi Ken Greenwood,
    welcome to namepros, you did a good thing offering such service for free and i must commend you for it. turning it to a paid service is good but it is not worth paying that amount now, assuming you have great tools like you mention above, it would worth paying. currently it is not worth paying above $2 sorry if i sound rude, try to install other tools above like you mention and allow the 3000 visitors use the service for maybe 3month then you can turn it to a paid service. only then it would be worth paying for such service......also consider your pricing, the 3000 visitors with a $4 fee is much better than the 20 visitor with a $10 bucks fee...so think about it. wish you
    success mate
     
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  23. Ken Greenwood

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    I appreciate the input Bene...thanks... I'll consider it. Ken
     
  24. Ken Greenwood

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    OK - I have lowered the fee for the zfbot.com service by 50%. Instead of 99.99/9.99 for yearly/monthly membership, it's now 49.99/4.99. I hope that is more palatable for people as I don't particularly want to alienate everyone. I think it's a fair modification. For anyone who had already suscribed - I extended their existing membership by either another year or month depending on what they were subscribed to.

    Ken
     
  25. usernamex

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    Hi @Ken Greenwood - welcome to NamePros! Glad to see you here

    Was unaware the price drop, only came looking for this thread after someone mentioned $5/month in chat

    : thumbs up :
     

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