poll Would you take the Covid Vaccine when it becomes available

[oldtimer]

The only way to end this Pandemic is if the majority of the people around the World get vaccinated.

It's amazing that several vaccines have already been developed in record time and thus far they all show very good results as far as creating some level of immunity against Covid19 without causing any major side effects and supposedly even if those who have been vaccinated come down with the disease it won't be at the more severe levels that require hospitalization.

There are many companies that are working on the vaccine although the top contenders currently are Moderna, Pfizer, and AstraZeneca:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...d-vaccine-heres-what-we-know-them/6308571002/


I personally would be first in line to get the vaccine as I am in the older category with some history of heart problems and although I believe that everyone should be free to make their own choices, but this will only be effective in stopping the Pandemic if the majority of the people (like over 80% or so) get vaccinated.

Please do your own research about the vaccines and indicate your choice in the poll (visible to all) and post any justification for your decision as to whether you are going to get the vaccine or not below.

IMO

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[poweredbyme]

Some things have to be worked out through trial and error in the next few weeks as far as the few people who have had adverse reactions to the vaccines, but overall I personally believe that it's better to get the vaccine and take our chances with some possible side effects than comming up with a severe case of Covid that might be fatal specially for those who are somehow more at risk due to thier age or any special medical conditions that they might have.

The important thing is to have all the facts so that people can make an informed decision as to if they feel they are better off getting the vaccine now or if they should perhaps wait till later until they are more comfortable with it. Each person has to make a peronal choice depending on their overall susceptibility and vulnerability to the virus.

IMO

At this point vaccines seem like gamble. There might be unknown side effects and those side effects might be permanent. I don't think vaccines are well tested. Because there is not enough time for trial and error.

Also some vaccines require special storing conditions. Some vaccines may not be effective for this reason, while their side effects might remain effective. It may be turn into a gamble that is impossible to win.

 

[oldtimer]

At this point vaccines seem like gamble. There might be unknown side effects and those side effects might be permanent. I don't think vaccines are well tested. Because there is not enough time for trial and error.

Also some vaccines require special storing conditions. Some vaccines may not be effective for this reason, while their side effects might remain effective. It may be turn into a gamble that is impossible to win.

You realize that before these vaccines were approved they had to go through some trials and that they were tested on a few thousand people and only after careful consideration of all the data they were allowed to be distributed and used by the general public.

There are always going to be some side effects and adverse reactions to medicines (some perhaps quite severe) , but you have to balance the harm that they might cause in a few people compared to their overall benefits to the general population as a whole.

Obviously if large scale harm is found to have been caused by these vaccines I am sure that their use will be put on hold, but so far there have only been some isolated cases that are negligible compared to the number of all the people who are getting vaccinated.

As I already mentioned everyone should consider the risk and benefits of these vaccines and make their own decision based on the level of their susceptibility and vulnerability to the virus. The important thing is to have all the facts so that people can make an informed decision.

IMO

 

[topdom]

Regardless of whether Covid came around naturally or by some experiment that went out of control, the important thing now is for everyone to cooperate together to contain it and to bring this Pandemic to quick end.

IMO

Neither. It was created and released intentionally. Some people can even show patents about it.
covid= certification-of-vaccination-id

How to contain it: first eliminate deep state. and at the same time release easy cures.

Vaccine is not a solution, because it is only supposed to make the disease less severe. It doesn't prevent spreading. Also coronaviruses will mutate in different directions and current vaccines will be useless for new versions.

isolation step by step, region by region, can be part of a solution, but the whole world needs to agree on such a plan.

Ok, maybe easy free cures can be released, and everyone can be protected, but then other disases would also
be cured and people would live longer and govts can't afford paying retirement salaries , and cover healthcare costs for a very long time for each person. For this reasosn, even best govts can't make best cures public.

 

[poweredbyme]

Obviously if large scale harm is found to have been caused by these vaccines I am sure that their use will be put on hold, but so far there have only been some isolated cases that are negligible compre to all the number of all the people who are getting vaccinated.

> Obviously if large scale harm is found

It is the main problem. When will be found the possible large scale harm? Immediately? Are you sure? What happens if the large scale harm begins after 3 years, after 95% of the human population took vaccines?
What happens if the large scale harm for vaccines is not disclosed to the public for a decade or two for various dumb reasons like "national security" ?

 

[topdom]

And there may be no harm until someone pushes a button and remotely kill rebels, whistleblowers, and some others.

 

[topdom]

...before these vaccines were approved they had to go through some trials and that they were tested on a few thousand people and only after careful consideration of all the data they were allowed to be distributed and used by the general public.


IMO

Ok, but whoever tests and approves these vaccines are also corrupt deepstate agents like FDA, WHO, AMA , CDC, etc.

Vaccines are tested on healthy people, but applied to sick people. So 95 percent protection is not realistic...Ok 100 percent protection can be made possible also, but so what, do we know there is no evil in the vaccine.

 

[oldtimer]

> Obviously if large scale harm is found

It is the main problem. When will be found the possible large scale harm? Immediately? Are you sure? What happens if the large scale harm begins after 3 years, after 95% of the human population took vaccines?
What happens if the large scale harm for vaccines is not disclosed to the public for a decade or two for various dumb reasons like "national security" ?

You make a good point as far some side effects showing up in a few years down the road, but at the same time you have to accept the limitations that we have in our medical technologies and as such we can only do so much to avoid unwanted consequences not only with these vaccines, but with any other medicines that have become a normal part of our lives.

This is not even just limited to medicines, there might be side effects to a lot of the products and chemicals that we use in our daily lives that might show up many years later, but that's just a part of the modern World that we all have accepted to live in.

IMO

 

[Compassion]

evil in the vaccine.

https://www.amazon.com/Poisoned-Needle-Eleanora-McBean/dp/0787305944https://www.amazon.com/Poisoned-Needle-Eleanora-McBean/dp/0787305944

The Poisoned Needle
by Eleanora McBean

 

[oldtimer]

Ok, maybe easy free cures can be released, and everyone can be protected, but then other disases would also
be cured and people would live longer and govts can't afford paying retirement salaries , and cover healthcare costs for a very long time for each person. For this reasosn, even best govts can't make best cures public.

Well if all diseases are cured and people are made healthy and more productive even at older age that will actually bring the healthcare cost down and people can be active longer and retire at later age (right now a lot of retired people are dying out of boredom).

IMO

 

[oldtimer]

Current poll results:

38 Yes / 42 No

I invite everyone here at NamePros to vote in order to make this poll scientifically more accurate.

IMO

 

[oldtimer]

CDC: Benefits of Getting Vaccinated

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/vaccine-benefits.html


CDC issues new guidance on reactions to Covid Vaccines:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/allergic-reaction.html


CDC Covid 19 Tracker:

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases_casesper100klast7days

 

[oldtimer]

The lightning-fast quest for COVID vaccines — and what it means for other diseases

From Nature.com :

" The speedy approach used to tackle SARS-CoV-2 could change the future of vaccine science."


" The COVID-19 pandemic should see some permanent changes in vaccine development. For a start, it might establish the use of mRNA vaccines — which hadn’t previously been approved for general use in people — as a speedy approach for other diseases. “This technology is revolutionizing vaccinology,” "


" Candidate mRNA vaccines can be chemically synthesized in a few days, in contrast to the more complicated biotechnology involved in producing proteins in cells. “The technology lends itself to the nimble plug-and-play approach that will be required to respond to [future] pandemics,” "


" The COVID-19 experience might also prompt a regulatory rethink. Although there has been no relaxing of the stringent criteria for vaccine approval "


" It’s tempting to hope that other vaccines might now be made on a comparable timescale. These are sorely needed: diseases such as malaria, tuberculosis and pneumonia together kill millions of people a year, and researchers anticipate further lethal pandemics, too. "


" the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations (CEPI) was launched in 2017; its goal is to create the technological infrastructure needed for rapid and affordable development of vaccines against several of the viruses known to have epidemic potential, including MERS, Ebola and Zika. "


" we need to know more about all families of viruses, say researchers. There are at least 24 other virus families that can infect humans, says Graham. Rather than waiting to sink resources into fighting the next virus that pops up, money would be better spent now setting up systems to monitor all these viruses and to generate data on prototype infections in each of these families "


https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-03626-1



The coronavirus is mutating — does it matter?


https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02544-6

 

[oldtimer]

Some nations ban travel from UK, fearing virus variant

" A growing list of European Union nations moved to ban flights from the U.K. on Sunday and others were considering similar action, in a bid to block a new strain of coronavirus sweeping across southern England from spreading to the continent. "

From: Associated Press:
https://apnews.com/article/europe-e...emic-germany-06a35eb02ce885ae7b80b2e1851ab893


Tougher UK coronavirus curbs may last some time, health minister suggests


" London and southeast England may stay under tighter coronavirus curbs for some time, Britain's health minister suggested on Sunday, adding that a fast-spreading new strain forced the government to drop plans to ease restrictions for Christmas. "


From Reuters:
https://news.google.com/articles/CB...vaWRVS0tCTjI4VTBETg?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US:en

 

[topdom]

CV mutation in UK may mean current vaccines are useless.

 

[topdom]

accidental dupe.

 

[oldtimer]

CV mutation in UK may mean current vaccines are useless.

Is that your personal opinion or have you seen some research that has indicated that.

 

[Compassion]

We're celebrating your life Brandy. Thank you for your heroic efforts.

 

[poweredbyme]

Is that your personal opinion or have you seen some research that has indicated that.

Vaccines for seasonal flu viruses work for 1 year only. Because flu viruses mutate every year. Covid is in virus category.

 

[BrandEntrance.com]

What if this is ... domainer control. The powers that be think that there are too many domainers.

Attenborough says we have 200 years left.

Moore contradicts Attenboroughs green solutions.

 

[poweredbyme]

In other words, vaccines for seasonal viruses are also not very useful, their protection power is low. Because viruses mutate faster than vaccines. Current vaccines for the viruses are for the viruses that are rare or no longer exist.

One generation of human takes around 30 years
One generation of a virus takes couple of hours.

You see the mutation speed comparison?
Human vs virus is a desperate war. Virus will beat human. Speed difference is huge.

 

[poweredbyme]

Even if we beat covid, it will not be the last virus. There will be next viruses which are much more powerful.
Remember the previous viruses before Covid. Covid is the latest mutant of the previous ones. It's currently very powerful. But the next one will be more powerful than Covid, because of the speed I wrote above.

 

[oldtimer]

In other words, vaccines for seasonal viruses are also not very useful, their protection power is low. Because viruses mutate faster than vaccines. Current vaccines for the viruses are for the viruses that are rare or no longer exist.

One generation of human takes around 30 years
One generation of a virus takes couple of hours.

You see the mutation speed comparison?
Human vs virus is a desperate war. Virus will beat human. Speed difference is huge.

The Coronavirus that causes Covid 19 supposedly has already mutated around 4000 times since it was first appeared, but these are minor mutations that the new vaccines are still effective for, but the question right now is what if there are whole new variations (strains) like the one that has appeared in southern UK and if the new vaccines are going to be effective for them too.

Considering that the new Covid Vaccines use the mRNA which is a whole different technology than the old vaccines like the one for flu it's possible that they will still work for the new strains too although I believe that there has to be some new research done to find out for sure.

Hopefully we'll find out soon.

IMO

 

[topdom]

Is that your personal opinion or have you seen some research that has indicated that.

I think a little bit of both. Compare with flu.

 

[poweredbyme]

40,000 times mutation of human would roughly take 1 million years. For a virus it takes 1 year.
1 soldier vs 1,000,000 soldiers. Who will beat such a war?
Unless you can mutate human at the same speed, it's a desperate war in my opinion.

 

[Sutruk]

like the one that has appeared in southern UK and if the new vaccines are going to be effective for them too.

Considering that the new Covid Vaccines use the mRNA which is a whole different technology than the old vaccines like the one for flu it's possible that they will still work for the new strains too although I believe that there has to be some new research done to find out for sure.

For the moment there's no evidence that the new strain from UK has any impact on vaccine efficacy:
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https://www.gov.uk/government/news/phe-investigating-a-novel-strain-of-covid-19

"There is currently no evidence to suggest that the strain has any impact on disease severity, antibody response or vaccine efficacy."
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As long as the new covid-19 strains use the same "spike protein" to join human cells, covid-19 vaccines will be effective.