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Would you buy a backwards domain?

Labeled as question in Niche Domain Discussion, started by Carl Smith, Apr 27, 2020

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  1. Carl Smith

    Carl Smith Established Member

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    and what I mean by a backward domain is for example when the domain EpicPatios.com is already taken and is on sale for $2,000...

    you then notice that the domain PatiosEpic.com is available, would you registered that domain and try to sell it for half of what EpicPatios.com is worth? Let’s say $1,000?

    given the domain PatiosEpic.com doesn’t sound as correct as EpicPatios.com, is there still a market for PatiosEpic.com

    Do people buy domains that are backwards like that?
     
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  2. NameShiba

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    No -- and it would be a poor business decision to invest in them.

    F**kYou is an example of this -- perhaps, possibly circumventing what I said above.

    uoyk**F would have only a novelty valuation which would still not be worth the reg.

    For businesses -- they would have little to no market demand.
     
  3. Joe Nichols

    Joe Nichols Common sense consultant VIP

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    OP doesn't mean names that are actually written backwards. He was talking about switching the two words in a two word name.

    Personally, when it comes to two or three word domains, I try to stick with the best sounding and most correct term. Domains are hard enough to sell already, so you really want to give yourself the best chance by having the best (or one of the best) possible variation of your name.

    Edit to add: those "backwards" names do sell, but the demand would only be there if your niche and keywords are in high demand.
     
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  4. NameShiba

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    Ah, I was so stuck on the backwards point that I failed to realize that was what he meant by it.

    I agree with the user above post entirely.
    Also, beware if it would lead to unfriendly TM zones.
     
  5. h2o

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    It can be a brand - case and point NameCheap.com. I have been registering and plan on registering more of these so called "backwards" domains and will market them as brandables with a nice logo to boot.

    But it is important to be smart with your decisions. The word flip has to be a stellar niche not just any subpar combo.
     
  6. h2o

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    Since we are on the topic does anybody know the official legal standing of these word flips? For example, I know that plural names and single names are treated as if they are the same. In other words, the TM holder of Blue Dog would have legal protection of Blue Dogs but how about Dog Blue?
     
  7. Carl Smith

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    Correct thank you for clarifying.

    I was asking because I have MentorCrypto.com.

    Doesn’t sound as nice as CryptoMentor.com but that and most it’s extensions are taken already.
     
  8. Samer

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    Yup! 100% Great poll / thread.

    I find great way differentiate without spending an arm and a leg; 100% root words of brand

    Proud owner this .com :xf.grin:

    CurrencyCrypto

    I find it easily be “different” while “memorable”
    Youre replacing only words with each other.
     
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  9. Carl Smith

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    That domain is going to be worth a lot of money, especially once the next bull run starts for bitcoin and everyone starts hyping it up again

    congrats on the name
     
  10. Joe Nichols

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    The issue here is that the entire meaning changes. Using your example:

    Crypto Mentor is someone who trains others in cryptocurrencies.

    Mentor Crypto would be a cryptocurrency that mentors people...?

    Keywords are only part of the value. The name needs to evoke a solid meaning to make it a desirable brand.
     
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  11. Samer

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    Thank you! really means a lot.

    Most inquiries on it, waiting crypto go back up.

    Samer
     
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  12. Ryan217

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    Nope. If the words don't make sense in the order in which they appear in the domain name.
     
  13. Samer

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    make sense, flipped ; 100% words same.

    Guarantee you will recall both in a year.
     
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  14. BaileyUK

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    Some domain word pairs can work in reverse, so long as the reverse format also makes sense. Don't fool yourself though about value, talk of 50% of the primary word pair is day dreaming. more like 2 to 5% and even that will only be for those that make grammatical sense.

    example (my niche)
    touchscreen beautiful in com a xxx,xxx domain
    screentouch nice and salable probably low to mid x,xxx
     
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  15. Bob Hawkes

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    Thanks for the sensible advice here from successful domain investors.

    Based on looking at a lot of NameBio reports, my perspective is they do occasionally sell, but much less often than the natural wording, and as @BaileyUK notes usually for substantially less.

    I would be very selective holding many in a portfolio, but a few may be worth the speculation. Occasionally a brand will think a reverse of a common expression is cool. Might be instructive to spend some time on a site like BB to see how many they list (not many I think). But just as doubling a letter, changing a y to an i, creatively combining two words into one, etc. can make good brands, so could a reversal.

    I agree with @Joe Nichols that most of the time reversing order changes application, although that specific example I could still see MentorCrypto as being a service to mentor in crypto, but the word aims more at those volunteering to mentor. For example, MentorScience I would interpret as a site looking for people to help others with science. It is kind of like the BuyDomain SellDomain discussion in another thread, they both can be places to buy or sell a domain name, but I prefer the Buy as it focusses on those who will be buying.

    When I looked at the top 60 two-word .com domain name sales of 2019, I would not count any of them as reversed from normal order.

    Bob
     
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  16. Rich

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    I'm not sure I would buy any unless it was a two word generic that could work both ways, I have factsonly and would bid on onlyfacts if it were dropping. Every so often you see the backwards Geo names sell and wonder if it's worth it. I would probably get stuck with these
    plumbersdenver.com 1,500
    plumberstampa.com 1,000
    realestatetampa.com 4,900
    festivalorlando.com 5,001
    transportationorlando.com 4,480
     
  17. Spex

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    No. Who would be the target buyer for the "backwards" name, like PatiosEpic.com, in your example?

    Like the above poster said, you can sometimes mix service + city...but you can't really mix adjective+noun

    DenverPlumbers and PlumbersDenver is ok. But GreenShoes and ShoesGreen, or DesignerBags and BagsDesigner….not so much
     
  18. HotKey

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    People do anything for money, including selling crappy names. People do anything for a .com, including buying crappy names. So it all works out in the end, regardless.

    But my answer to OP, is no, I wouldn't buy one. There are better solutions. As other's mentioned though, some names work together even if words are reversed in order. It would have to make sense and flow well for me to consider investing in it. I only buy what I would be ok to banner my own business with.

    Some people don't care, and surely rightly justified depending on what their needs as a seller are.
     
  19. BaileyUK

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    Indeed they can often make for very good brandables. And most importantly they usually pass the TM criteria and in the applicable class - something you will never get for an outright descriptive.

    Again the key is a reversible grammatical logic. You are not appealing to domainers here in general but companies looking for a brand to trademark (mind you buy-domains and others will pick up any decent ones that drop)
     
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  20. HotKey

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    Good pick-up, missed that by Hawkes. Coolness factor may be a trump card on reversal of keywords. And agreed.

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    Just to confirm, I think Bailey would definitely consider moving to a new Gtld if reversal is abysmal? Just imagine, retired, kicking up your legs, swinging on a hammock, and you've got the superior new G for sale vs a lowly reversed com..
     
  21. tracey sclater

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    I own CrappyNames.com .Cheers.
     
  22. BaileyUK

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    No chance - That's like pissing in the wind and thinking about recovering the salt content.

    New Gtld's have No motion, Yes one or two will bite (and for good reason)

    We've lost our strongest advocate of new gtlds here on NP's ( I quite liked the guy - he was certainly driven) Although mistaken in every post

    But let me repeat again New Gtlds have NO SPACE - It's not my choice, it's the markets and the drive for what works. You can believe all you want in whatever you want - No problem with me - Just don't try to lie to this membership about market outcomes or probabilities.

    Glad to spend some of my time looking after you all - as always XXX
     
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  23. BaileyUK

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    The reason they wont work - isn't a lack of recognition at a domainer level (they look great hey a dot replacing a hyphen and so on)

    No chance at a commercial level - and for those that don't comprehend , my sympathies
     
  24. Samer

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    Agree, @BaileyUK

    My answer would be “Not in this lifetime.”

    my answe before ridiculous premium renewals
     
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  25. BaileyUK

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    I wouldn't be proud of that one ,

    You can have a "make a statement" domains they are ten a penny. It's just a personal wish-line with no chance of a presence (web like) No sale

    Guess so many want to make a statement "with a domain" bit like the 70's - I'm black and Present. No problem - lets see the buy-in
     
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