.mobi Will the iphone make .mobi obsolete-read this

[jettabosko]

http://www.thewhir.com/blogs/Isabel-Wang/index.cfm/2007/1/10/Safari-is-the-new-dot-mobi

 

[labrocca]

As I have been saying for quite some time. Technology advances in phones and software will absolutely make .mobi an afterthought. Sure some sites under .mobi may thrive the same as some .org sites. However the hope that .mobi will be the equivilant of .com for mobile internet just won't happen.

 

[Razeeman]

That pic of the iphone displaying the web site must be out of focus... I cant read a thing on it... oh... I have to "zoom zoom zoom"
Well unless I'm in a RX-7 I dont wanna "zoom zoom zoom".

All kidding aside, No one knows the future so we might as well focus on the here and now and buy and develop whatever is available.

 

[movingconcierge]

I'm on the other side of the fence from you again, Forrest

What everyone is missing or that they may think is not a big thing is the mobile site compliance. I was an ISO9000 auditor. I know if compliance is carried out well, it can be quite effective. i.e. ISO...

It is true that any .com can be mobile compliant with a script. It is also true that there is no guarantee or incentive for those .com sites to comply. Therefore, it will be a hit or miss when you are surfing on your phone.

I honestly think that may be a deterent enough, if dotMobi spins it correctly and thoroughly, to have people realize that .mobi is, by defination, mobile compliant. Their mission statement (consistent with ISO) is to ensure the enjoyment of the end user's experience on .mobi sites, or else. Or else, they will pull the plug per their TOS.

Now, whether or not dotMobi enforces compliance is a whole other can o worms that I won't even speculate on. I , again from experience, know that compliance is a pain in the arse and is not always black and white.

However, with all of that being said, dotMobi is distinct from dotCom simply by its definition and no other TLD can say that. None.

What say you, oh great debater from the desert land?

As I have been saying for quite some time. Technology advances in phones and software will absolutely make .mobi an afterthought. Sure some sites under .mobi may thrive the same as some .org sites. However the hope that .mobi will be the equivilant of .com for mobile internet just won't happen.

 

[labrocca]

It is true that any .com can be mobile compliant with a script. It is also true that there is no guarantee or incentive for those .com sites to comply. Therefore, it will be a hit or miss when you are surfing on your phone.

And you can't force all the .com and developers to go out and buy a .mobi simply to be mobile compliant. If a site owner wants his site mobile compliant..he DOESN'T need to go out and buy the .mobi especially if he owns the .com already. Effectively this will keep many users going to the .com (as they should) which will force browser and mobile technology to change as you see here with iphone.

Now let's consider what happens when the vast majority of phones are able to view regular sites without difficulty. Will .mobi continue to alter it's restrictions until basically none are left? What happens then? .mobi will just be another tld


Apple is often viewed as an innovator. If you notice that image..it's Amazon...and not a mobile version. Seeing as how this is the first version of the iphone one can expect better resolutions, larger screens, and better browser technology as time rolls on. .mobi is officially in my eyes...DEAD

There continues to be a stream of not-so-good news for .mobi that is ignored by mobi speculators that have invested deeply into the extension. I rarely see any good news about the mobi future and the reason I normally get is "well it's only been 4 months"...lol. Let's see how long that excuse holds water. Well it's only been 18 months! lol

You guys slay me with your optimism.

 

[hedgefund]

As I have been saying for quite some time. Technology advances in phones and software will absolutely make .mobi an afterthought. Sure some sites under .mobi may thrive the same as some .org sites. However the hope that .mobi will be the equivilant of .com for mobile internet just won't happen.

It is the screen size that is the issue. Don't tell me you can browser a whole yahoo.com site from a cell phone easily with whatever technology.

 

[Traveler]

It is the screen size that is the issue. Don't tell me you can browser a whole yahoo.com site from a cell phone easily with whatever technology.

That is one of the BIG issues. I don't care what tech you use outside of sunglasses that are monitors or some holographic screen (maybe someday these will be common but not in the next few years) you just can't display a .com's worth of info on a small screen in a practical manner.

As far as the .com sites needing to go out and buy the .mobi version of their name, that is just silly. Of course they don't, they can just have the site detect what device a person is using and display the site accordingly.

What mobi does is twofold it lets the user know that the site is going to display on their phone. So if I am out and about and want some info I can go to a .mobi site and know the site is not only going to display well on my phone but also have content that is geared for people on the go.

So now, developers can let the user know, just by having a .mobi domain. Hey, this site is for you when you are on the go! This site is made for mobile internet. I think that is very cool.

 

[movingconcierge]

And you can't force all the .com and developers to go out and buy a .mobi simply to be mobile compliant.

That is one of the driving forces of dotMobi imo. You cannot with any certainty say a dotcom will be viewable with a mobile phone.

If a site owner wants his site mobile compliant..he DOESN'T need to go out and buy the .mobi especially if he owns the .com already. Effectively this will keep many users going to the .com (as they should) which will force browser and mobile technology to change as you see here with iphone.

This is just a speculative, imo, as dotMobi is in yours. You are prognosticating that mobile surfers will continue hitting that dotcom wall when surfing with their phone when a dotMobi is a sure thing? I can only draw from my own experience and say that it’s irritating to get a site to finally load on your phone and have it be AFU. If I knew, as a layman, that there was a surefire alternative, I’d seek it out.

Now let's consider what happens when the vast majority of phones are able to view regular sites without difficulty. Will .mobi continue to alter it's restrictions until basically none are left? What happens then? .mobi will just be another tld

It depends on what time frame that happens w/in and how aggressively dotMobi markets itself. It also assumes that the to be created magic bullet software can properly parse every distinct instance of code and deliver it OR that every dotcom site puts up that script. Again, I feel this is just as speculative, if not more so considering the vast number of dotcoms, as dotMobi.

Apple is often viewed as an innovator. If you notice that image..it's Amazon...and not a mobile version. Seeing as how this is the first version of the iphone one can expect better resolutions, larger screens, and better browser technology as time rolls on. .mobi is officially in my eyes...DEAD

That’s jumping the gun. Dead? That’s just an overstatement. Apple is an innovator, that is for sure. They will bring flocks of frocks to the mobile net. They will have an influence. We won’t know the impact until these things (name?) start showing up in schools, on buses, etc. My guess would be just as good as yours.

There continues to be a stream of not-so-good news for .mobi that is ignored by mobi speculators that have invested deeply into the extension. I rarely see any good news about the mobi future and the reason I normally get is "well it's only been 4 months"...lol. Let's see how long that excuse holds water. Well it's only been 18 months! lol

Well, it really has only been a few months for goodness sake! Man, isn’t two six figure sales enough for people anymore? When was the last six fig. .us or .tv or .vu or .vg, or TLD’s floating around? Also, the only bad news is the constant hammering that mobi supporters must endure on our own forum. I mean Jesus. Is there any precedent of attacks like these on any other TLD followers? It’s pathetic. You have the right to say what you want, but don’t you have anything better to do with your time then to point out how other people are spending theirs?

You guys slay me with your optimism.

Thank you. I take that as a compliment.

 

[labrocca]

If the screen is touch screen...I can easily imagine seeing the screen 100%...then touching an area I want to magnify. And screens will advance quicker than you think for mobility. Flex screens are on the way. Screen that can bend, roll, or fold will be the wave of technology that will advance mobile internet beyond all imagination. It just has to fit in your pocket but once you pull it out...there is little reason why you can't use a larger screen. Also people might use special screen glasses with bluetooth capabilities. Imagine you can simply don some special lenses to view your mobile screen that will basically be full sized!

You're not thinking it out very well if you think technology won't advance tremendously over the next 5 years. The ipod itself is only 6 years old.

http://www.macworld.com/news/2001/10/24/ipodquicktime/index.php

Look at laptop, dvd, and other technologies and how they grow. I wasn't at CES this week but I am damn sure that some amazing mobile devices were shown.

Here are some cool things I found at Engadget.

http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/08/hands-on-with-microvisions-itty-bitty-projector/

It's interesting to note that searching engadget doesn't bring up any great stories for .mobi.

http://www.engadgetmobile.com/search/?q=mtld
http://www.engadgetmobile.com/search/?q=.mobi

However imho engadget is the site users go to see what's HOT...and it's the iphone. Which will do great harm to .mobi. This is just one device...but it's the beginning of the end. MILLIONS of ipod users will end up as iphone users and they won't be caring about .mobi one single bit.
http://www.engadgetmobile.com/

 

[Traveler]

If the screen is touch screen...I can easily imagine seeing the screen 100%...then touching an area I want to magnify.

For some sites that might work, but for many I don't think you would be able make out the words to even know what you wanted to magnify.

Funny how we keep having this debate.

When, of course, you don't need .mobi to have a mobile web. But, .mobi does have intrinsic value imho. It adds to the mobile web and does not take away from it. That is why I feel it has value, is worth regging good names, and worth developing those names.

For great .mobi names that are developed, success should not be to far away.

Also, the only bad news is the constant hammering that mobi supporters must endure on our own forum. I mean Jesus. Is there any precedent of attacks like these on any other TLD followers? It’s pathetic. You have the right to say what you want, but don’t you have anything better to do with your time then to point out how other people are spending theirs?

That is hitting the nail on the head. I think some people just have severe remorse they didn't invest in .mobi when they could or didn't invest in more than a couple names. Now they want to pooh on everyone who did. They must feel even worse when their pety arguements don't shake any .mobi's from anyones hands at bargain prices. :hehe:

 

[labrocca]

You have the right to say what you want, but don’t you have anything better to do with your time then to point out how other people are spending theirs?

Stupidity or boredom...take your pic.

btw...I have yet to make any offers on any .mobi's. IMHO they are already overpriced. Interestingly enough...I think some domainers are ditching domains cheaper so they can invest in .mobi. I have bought some rather good .com's the past 2 weeks. The deals are out there more so than ever for .com's. hehe...maybe I should tell everyone to invest in mobi to drive .com prices down. Hmm...makes me think. I really don't have anything to gain by saying negative things about .mobi...but I certainly could gain if I joined the MOBI ROCKS camp.

Yeah...MOBI ROCKS!

 

[Traveler]

Yeah...MOBI ROCKS!

Finally, you have come around :hehe:

You know what they say... If you can't beat 'em join 'em.

 

[mjnels]

its hilarious how much trouble a few people go with their ridiculous arguements..

.mobi is just a friggin TLD... it cant be proven "obsolete"
maybe it wont ever be used... but it just CANNNOT be proven obsolete.


and if it can, you better label every site that is NOT a .com, .net, or .org OBSOLETE.
Because those are the orginal extentions.


Sure, there will be some domainers that try to sell .mobi as a new technology, or perhaps they sincerely believe this themselves.

But it is just another TLD--that happens to denote 'this is a wireless site!' and comes with a set of standards to better benefit the user experience.


.com is king, but there are not enough .com domains for everybody, and for people looking to cater to the mobile internet that DO NOT already have an establised site, will look to other TLDs such as .net, .org, .info, and yes .MOBI

Sorry, thats just the way it is. There are not an infinite amount of TLDs. You use what is available.

 

[labrocca]

Finally, you have come around :hehe:

You know what they say... If you can't beat 'em join 'em.

Let me know if you have any of those old-school dotcom's that are gonna be useless soon. I might give you some pocket change for them.

 

[mjnels]

Let me know if you have any of those old-school dotcom's that are gonna be useless soon. I might give you some pocket change for them.

Yea because you have to go to extremes to admit that .mobi is useful.

typical trolls say "oh .mobi is popular among some domainers, i guess ill throw away all my .coms"



funny joke. and definetely one ive never heard before.. that is original, where'd you come up with that?

 

[mobidick]

Yeah...MOBI ROCKS!

:lol: All is well in the world again - what a difference the Christmas season makes!

The iPhone? certainly does have some cool features - let's face it... there are a ton of .com , .net, .org, .info, .whatever sites out there that will not be mobilized anytime soon, which we nevertheless still have come to depend on for getting on with our lives and businesses - and so far, I like the way Safari and iPhone are handling these sites best out of the mobile browsers out there. If this gets people excited about mobile internet then I'm happy because I want the end-users to demand cheaper mobile data plans, faster data transfers, the inclusion of wifi in their phones, and above all open internet browsing as opposed to walled gardens. If iPhone takes us closer to those goals I believe it will also boost my .mobi sites.

Also keep in mind that while 10s of millions of people may adopt iPhone, that still leaves about a billion other mobile phone users who may still only be able to afford simpler mobile technology. The market will be segmented. So the values of .mobi sites really don't depend on technical issues so much as the overall amount of mobile internet traffic.

Sure new technologies will emerge, but larger screens will evolve over a period of (maybe 5 - 10 years) to the point where they will be widely practical and affordable. And in the meantime, we can set our .mobi sites to detect which mobile devices can handle larger content and adjust accordingly. The key will be the affordability of data plans and getting people the content they need and want on their mobiles as soon as possible.

Even if .mobi evolves to just another tld, there are still tremendous upsides to developing our .mobi sites at this early stage when the mobile internet is in its infancy - that is both our insurance if the naysayers' speculation comes true, as well as the best chance for .mobi to get off to a healthy start - there's really no point to debating this ad nauseum - we've got too much real work to do now! I'll keep you posted on the one's I develop - GL to all in 2007.

 

[satsdifference.com]

yes, interesting

I feel the need to participate in this discussion, to assess what will actually manifest for us.

Can a whole.com site really be seen on the IPOD? Apparently much of it.. but..

It can already be seen, the whole site, but with scrollbars on my TREO 700 with Windows mobile!

So with a better screen resolution I guess that means just less scrolling!

This is what I have been saying, some dot mobi bashers are advocating for a mobile forced redirect on the .com! But what if I had an Iphone like device in the future and then I got a small content version of the .com with a forced mobile redirect? Keep the .com full info preserved, just use scrollbars! Put the device detect, then , on the .mobi to serve any device - from PDA to desktop.. The Iphone means - we must keep the full blown dot coms valuable info preserved and accessible by anyone "on the go". No .com redirect, period - the best advocacy for the user experience.

Do the redirect on the .mobi

.mobi is useful =)

Regards,

World Radio.mobi

 

[seanboy]

I don't understand why .mobi and .com can't co-exist together. Since when did this turn into a competition? I don't see .mobi becoming the next .com, but I also don't see .mobi dying, even though some people would really love for that to happen. I've used mobile browsers with that "zoom zoom!" technology. Believe me, it's get annoying after a while. I think that many people believe that everyone is going to own an iPhone one day, and thats not the case. Apple is getting into a whole new ball game now. Sure, they domainate the mp3 player market, but they will only have a niche market with this phone. Those in the business world will stick to their blackberries (ugh) and their Treos. The iPhone is more of a consumer smartphone. And please don't flame me for this post. I already have a hangover from the ".Mobi Civil War" that took place at DNF yesterday

 

[danmanmktng]

4 months ago .mobi debuted to much fanfare.. everyone thought it was a great idea.. the owners of dotMOBI put in lots of time, effort, resources, planning, etc. into it. Many investors put money in the product, and even developed some content for the new extension.

4 months later, a phone was announced that used old technology to allow you to zoom into what you were looking at by clicking a touch-screen. This naturally made .mobi obsolete, dotMOBI disbanded and the investors went home. The End.

 

[seanboy]

4 months ago .mobi debuted to much fanfare.. everyone thought it was a great idea.. the owners of dotMOBI put in lots of time, effort, resources, planning, etc. into it. Many investors put money in the product, and even developed some content for the new extension.

4 months later, a phone was announced that used old technology to allow you to zoom into what you were looking at by clicking a touch-screen. This naturally made .mobi obsolete, dotMOBI disbanded and the investors went home. The End.

:hehe: