.mobi Why are companies using long .com URL's when mobile phone users bookmark *Wonder*hehe

[satsdifference.com]

It doesn't really make sense.. but I guess there is some reason..

Amazon.mobi (cool site) ---------> http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/h.html/002-3758616-3976054

The mobile phone is alot about bookmarking, so if they ever decide to change to a permanent URL for bookmarks, marketing best practices would point to it being done right away.. (for greater customers' growth)

..like URL "amazon.mobi"

..with faster and faster mobile phone growth (with internet) in the U.S., it's hard to see in not happening sometime soon, frankly.

We'll see



Kind Regards,

`hachoo

 

[hawkeye]

Yelo, I'm confused!! I could have sworn you just said goodbye, again, to everyone here for the second or was it third time, and 'PUFF' here you are again!! Do you do your 'Goodbye' posts just for attention, or are you so addicted to this forum you just can't keep away?? I'm sure I'm probably not the only one scratching their head on what gives with this. Please let us in on the why's of your - "I'm here!, but now I have to go!, and now I'm back again!" postings.

 

[scandiman]

Sometimes a picture is worth a thousand words.

 

[hedgefund]

Welcome back, Yelo.

 

[dag]

Friends, as much as I've enjoyed all my time here at NP, it is now time for me to say goodbye, and go...


...to bed.


Maybe that's all he meant.

 

[Jeff]

It doesn't really make sense.. but I guess there is some reason..

Amazon.mobi (cool site) ---------> http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/h.html/002-3758616-3976054

The mobile phone is alot about bookmarking, so if they ever decide to change to a permanent URL for bookmarks, marketing best practices would point to it being done right away.. (for greater customers' growth)

..like URL "amazon.mobi"

..with faster and faster mobile phone growth (with internet) in the U.S., it's hard to see in not happening sometime soon, frankly.

We'll see ...

Righto, we shall see ... NO ONE knows the future! ... and welcome back, Yelo!

If I understand your post correctly, simply reserved for $Xx (or provided for free by mTLD) ™ .MOBI terms/domains "pointing" to respective corporate mobile websites on their .COM's has been discussed ad infinitum here in this space, IMHO. Why they are not, by and large, DEVELOPING and then PROMOTING their respective .MOBI's is unclear ... my personal position is that these companies are hanging on to these $Xx / Reg. fee / freebies and holding to see which way the Mobile Web emerges - hedging their bets while ongoing positioning with new advances in technology - in my view. Over time and as mobile technologies and adoption further evolves, I think we'll see these same companies further build out their own mobile.company.com websites which will be developed for unique and compelling mobile use, promoted, SEO, etc. and also be auto-detected while searching by those "on the go" ... and the .MOBI's will be relegated to a niche or novelty extension for those that choose to develop and add to its smaller and surely non-corporate "ecosystem" (which I don't believe will be adopted by the mainstream and mass mobile users), IMHO. :gl:

Google.mobi could change all of this, and quickly ... but I don't believe it will ever come to pass! Although they are a "backer" (to what extent, we have no idea?) ... it makes little sense for them to build out or brand away from their hugely successful .COM - and the other big .COM's are all similarly (in)vested and working with new technologies to make their users' mobile experience on their .COM's come to fruition (these are some of the pages we're seeing these .MOBI's directed to now), IMHO.
Just my two thoughts ... what are your thoughts on the topic, Yelo? :talk:
-Jeff

 

[namewaiter]

Friends, as much as I've enjoyed all my time here at NP, it is now time for me to say goodbye, and go...


...to bed.

too funny!!!

 

[mjnels]

Yelo, I'm confused!! I could have sworn you just said goodbye, again, to everyone here for the second or was it third time, and 'PUFF' here you are again!! Do you do your 'Goodbye' posts just for attention, or are you so addicted to this forum you just can't keep away?? I'm sure I'm probably not the only one scratching their head on what gives with this. Please let us in on the why's of your - "I'm here!, but now I have to go!, and now I'm back again!" postings.

maybe he went with the purple geltabs for that trip... doesnt last as long nor is it as intense as the brown acid.

besides that, bout 8 hours running around in the woods in that sort of state usually causes oneself to have many epiphanies, like realizing that you still have a fully functioning computer that logs onto namepros.

i know... i know.. thats deep, man.

 

[acc]

...simply reserved for $Xx (or provided for free by mTLD) ™ .MOBI terms/domains "pointing" to respective corporate mobile websites on their .COM's has been discussed ad infinitum here in this space, IMHO. ... my personal position is that these companies are hanging on to these $Xx / Reg. fee / freebies and holding to see which way the Mobile Web emerges - hedging their bets while ongoing positioning with new advances in technology - in my view. ... and the .MOBI's will be relegated to a niche or novelty extension for those that choose to develop and add to its smaller and surely non-corporate "ecosystem" (which I don't believe will be adopted by the mainstream and mass mobile users)...

Names reserved during trademark sunrise period were not just "$xx" but in the $xxx per year range with a two year minimum. And where exactly was it EVER posted as fact that names were "provided for free by mtld"? People really should STOP making things up just to try to help "prove" their personal skeptical positions. They always try to make it sound as if corporate America and global business is definitely shunning .mobi in favor of m./-mobile./etc.

The mobile web and the introduction of .mobi to the world is all just STARTING. Companies are on their own schedules, with their own marketing plans, have many things to deal with every day and are not single-mindedly rapt with attention to their web presence. We have all seen how many many business websites do not change at all over the course of many months and sometimes years. This seems to be especially true for smaller businesses with static websites.

"and the .MOBI's will be relegated to a niche or novelty extension for those that choose to develop and add to its smaller and surely non-corporate "ecosystem" (which I don't believe will be adopted by the mainstream and mass mobile users), :gl:

I think that the smiley guy with glasses should have his prescription checked as the myopia seems to have set in permanently. "...surely non-corporate" - what a hoot ... is that what the tarot cards are saying today?

The adaptation by businesses of the mobile webspace will take time to become a mainstream practice. It will be quicker than their acceptance of the web in general because the internet is part of most everyone's everyday life. Yes, NO ONE knows the future. But really now, skeptics have to chill out and open their eyes and minds.

I would readily agree that some business will never use .mobi, OR their own country code, or anything but the one they were talked into getting a few years back for that internets thingy. Those folks will likely hold on to a narrow belief that one web address is all they will ever need and keep doing only what they knew how to do as of yesterday.. That is too bad as they will miss out on much potential business and new businesses will come along and eat their lunch in a flash.

The bottom line is that we are witnessing only the very START of the build out of the mobile web and .mobi IS positioned to be a big part of it. No single company, method, or idea will own 100% of the mobile web. There are typically several ways to accomplish the same thing and in the case of delivering a guaranteed satisfactory mobile web experience, using a dot-mobi address will be one of them. As in nature there will be overlapping "ecosystems" on the web - mobile, stationary, and there's always the minor-league-player-to-be-named-later.

 

[Jeff]

The bottom line is that we are witnessing only the very START of the build out of the mobile web and .mobi IS positioned to be a big part of it. No single company, method, or idea will own 100% of the mobile web. There are typically several ways to accomplish the same thing and in the case of delivering a guaranteed satisfactory mobile web experience, using a dot-mobi address will be one of them. As in nature there will be overlapping "ecosystems" on the web - mobile, stationary, and there's always the minor-league-player-to-be-named-later.

Fair enough, thanks for the post and sharing your thoughts! :tu:
-Jeff

 

[Pred]

Names reserved during trademark sunrise period were not just "$xx" but in the $xxx per year range with a two year minimum. And where exactly was it EVER posted as fact that names were "provided for free by mtld"? People really should STOP making things up just to try to help "prove" their personal skeptical positions. They always try to make it sound as if corporate America and global business is definitely shunning .mobi in favor of m./-mobile./etc.

The mobile web and the introduction of .mobi to the world is all just STARTING. Companies are on their own schedules, with their own marketing plans, have many things to deal with every day and are not single-mindedly rapt with attention to their web presence. We have all seen how many many business websites do not change at all over the course of many months and sometimes years. This seems to be especially true for smaller businesses with static websites.

I think that the smiley guy with glasses should have his prescription checked as the myopia seems to have set in permanently. "...surely non-corporate" - what a hoot ... is that what the tarot cards are saying today?

The adaptation by businesses of the mobile webspace will take time to become a mainstream practice. It will be quicker than their acceptance of the web in general because the internet is part of most everyone's everyday life. Yes, NO ONE knows the future. But really now, skeptics have to chill out and open their eyes and minds.

I would readily agree that some business will never use .mobi, OR their own country code, or anything but the one they were talked into getting a few years back for that internets thingy. Those folks will likely hold on to a narrow belief that one web address is all they will ever need and keep doing only what they knew how to do as of yesterday.. That is too bad as they will miss out on much potential business and new businesses will come along and eat their lunch in a flash.

The bottom line is that we are witnessing only the very START of the build out of the mobile web and .mobi IS positioned to be a big part of it. No single company, method, or idea will own 100% of the mobile web. There are typically several ways to accomplish the same thing and in the case of delivering a guaranteed satisfactory mobile web experience, using a dot-mobi address will be one of them. As in nature there will be overlapping "ecosystems" on the web - mobile, stationary, and there's always the minor-league-player-to-be-named-later.

nice post. i'm in agreement with you.
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[satsdifference.com]

Taking One for the Team?

Yes, sorry I am back..

I had thought I should go because things have been kinda hard lately, here and everywhere, for..

Then I had a waking vision and saw alot of "Jeff's" (as noted on the post about leaving) I also had some Dreams about Namepros and I had concluded that perhaps I was spending "too much" time here; but, now it seems that this is big what's happening here (the other extreme, perhaps now) and I just need to tip-toe the fine baseline, here, more carefully..

As far as .mobi, I do think it's kinda STRaNGe whats going on.. I saw some excellent posts above, and yes, it is very early.. people want to see where they fit into the emerging mobile mold.. however long URL's, like the one after weiwei.mobi was the .mobi icon, although giving developer credit, seem to go against business for-profit norms with mobile bookmarking (Yes, redirecting is still effective as branding .mobi, but not necessarily the best technique for branding).. So, back to the business norms, I think perhaps what is going on "under the table" may have strong effects on any particular company relationship with the Dot Mobi business gang/front.. and may affect their respective URL choice perhaps (MSN.mobi).. Business left undone under ther table?

Alot of capital spent on this network, and not one visible .mobi tv ad in US (8/1/2007)

.. Just pondering, I do not know.. Remember what's at stake, stakeholders etc.. ICANN holding par for one Internet.. China, Middle East (Al Jazeera).. Western world and its global hopes.. and their product proliferations..
Just food for thought, one thing I know is that I don't know..

I had a dream that 45 families control most of the ways of the world, and I don't think Dot Mobi is immune to this either.. One way to see it is.. we'll see..

And yes, I agree, I know nothing about Tomorrow, It's only about the Present, and for that moment I have/had been Surrendering.. everything..

But, I can't go against my Dreams..

On the Record,



`hachoo

 

[hawkeye]

maybe he went with the purple geltabs for that trip... doesnt last as long nor is it as intense as the brown acid.

I'm beginning to think they're being taken by the handful!!

...besides that, bout 8 hours running around in the woods in that sort of state usually causes oneself to have many epiphanies...

...uhhh, ....reminising the old days here??!?!

 

[Jeff]

You're a mystery wrapped in an enigma, Yelo ... enjoy the ride! :music:

-Jeff

 

[mjnels]

...uhhh, ....reminising the old days here??!?!

hehe.. or the not-so-old days. i just turned 25 so..

i mean, how do you think i 'realized' the potential of .mobi pre-landrush..... i thought we all had that same living daydream..

 

[hawkeye]

...domains "pointing" to respective corporate mobile websites on their .COM's has been discussed ad infinitum here in this space, IMHO. Why they are not, by and large, DEVELOPING and then PROMOTING their respective .MOBI's is unclear ...

Please Jeff explain, (which you won't), the 'importance' of corporations etc., having to develop a website for every domain and extension they own. If as you and others say, that a corp regged a domain to just to protect their brand, what is wrong with forwarding it to their existing site?? Sedo.com does this and no one gripes, but I guess that is ok because it's done with a .com. If corporations buy the .net, .org, .mobi, .info, etc. for 'brand protection', are they 'supposed to' build a seperate website for each extension and not be allowed to forward it to their current site?? Or does this just apply to .mobi (as this argument doesn't get used on other extensions), so you and others can have a reason to be apprehensive of it?? Would you please share your 'wisdom' and explain to us how a name/extension is viable only if it's a stand alone site, and why forwarding it to their existing site is not a true use of it!?? As you are one who also sees long domain names not good for mobile use, it seems easier to remember and type - FoxNews.mobi, than - wap.foxnews.proteus.com/ etc. etc. But maybe that's just me using common sense.

 

[Jeff]

Thanks, Hawk ... I've NEVER heard the term "ecosystem" and the importance of it until .MOBI, IMHO. I don't in any way see redirected .MOBI's (to mobile compliant .COM websites) as adding to this developed "ecosystem" ...

I've always shared my opinion on this, and pretty much explained myself pretty succinctly here in this space ... so I'm unsure why you're now stating that "I won't explain myself" or words to those effect?
No worries, appreciate the post and just my two sense.
-Jeff

 

[scandiman]

Thanks, Hawk ... I've NEVER heard the term "ecosystem" and the importance of it until .MOBI, IMHO. I don't in any way see redirected .MOBI's (to mobile compliant .COM websites) as adding to this developed "ecosystem" ...

So in your view Jeff, Amtrak.mobi doesn't add in any way to the developed "ecosystem" of .mobi?

 

[hawkeye]

Thanks, Hawk ... I've NEVER heard the term "ecosystem" and the importance of it until .MOBI, IMHO. I don't in any way see redirected .MOBI's (to mobile compliant .COM websites) as adding to this developed "ecosystem" ...

I've always shared my opinion on this, and pretty much explained myself pretty succinctly here in this space ... so I'm unsure why you're now stating that "I won't explain myself" or words to those effect?
No worries, appreciate the post and just my two sense.
-Jeff

I re-read it, and I don't see how your above post explains 'succinctly' my questions to you above by any means. I appreciate that you 'appreciate' my post, but I'd 'appreciate' a compelling answer, again, to my question.

And I always thought it was you who brought the word 'ecosystem' into the mobi conversations at large, as you were basically the only one who noted it over and over.

...just my two sense..

?????? (perhaps a clue to some answers here)

 

[Jeff]

So in your view Jeff, Amtrak.mobi doesn't add in any way to the developed "ecosystem" of .mobi?

Is Amtrak.mobi a developed .MOBI website? :gl:

Mr. Pinky told us back in November '06, I believe it was ... that we ultimately will reap bigger rewards by developing content and joining the .MOBI "ecosystem" and I don't think he was talking about undeveloped .MOBI domain name redirects to corporate .COM's either, IMHO.
I hope I understood it correctly (it's been a while!), and I'd be more than happy if he would come her and clarify if this is the case, as well! :yell:

PS. Hawkeye, again, I've explained my thoughts on the importance of developed .MOBI's and the developed "ecosystem" (term never being used before for the developments of .NET's, .ORG's, etc. IMHO) versus simple redirects to .COM's ... you may PM directly with any further questions or concerns.
Thank you.
-Jeff