.tv Verisign and Tuvalu

[equity78]

For years even though we posted the actual contract on DotTvNation, there were those using old data insisting the .tv contract was up earlier than the contract actually was.

Well here is the real data for all those out there so you know.

In 2001, we entered into an amended contractual agreement with the Government of Tuvalu to be the sole registry operator for .tv domain names through December 31, 2016. Pursuant to the terms of this agreement, in 2009 and in 2008, we paid the Tuvalu government a total of $2.0 million annually in registry fees.

Source: Verisign Annual Report 2/26/2010 page 61

 

[benzdorf]

2 million thats it....( Holy Cow ) I spend that in one nite at bar...

 

[Jeff]

This is one of the main OBSTACLES of the ccTLD ".TV" ... few bonafide End users would consider them as legitimate commercial business interest/investment due to the fact that it, literally, doesn't actually stand for "TV/Video" and that it is subject to the whims of Verisign/Enom & the teeny isle of Tuvalu, and NO ONE can reasonably guarantee what will happen in 5/6 years, IMHO.
Thus, it will always be an enthusiasts / domainer / small niche extension! :yell: :imho:

Thanks,
Jeff

 

[equity78]

Interesting because Verisign controls .com and that contract is up in 2 years. Same company controls both and probably will for a long time. At the end of the day nothing is guaranteed, do we have 3 year old buying domains and looking for Santa Claus ? Secondly there will always be an entity controlling an extension. But I will get an email out to TNT, MLB and Mercedes Benz for starters to let them know they are not legitimate business interests.

 

[freedom30]

2 million thats it....( Holy Cow ) I spend that in one nite at bar...

...and that was a tip to yer favorite bartender!

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This is one of the main OBSTACLES of the ccTLD ".TV" ... few bonafide End users would consider them as legitimate commercial business interest/investment due to the fact that it, literally, doesn't actually stand for "TV/Video" and that it is subject to the whims of Verisign/Enom & the teeny isle of Tuvalu, and NO ONE can reasonably guarantee what will happen in 5/6 years, IMHO.
Thus, it will always be an enthusiasts / domainer / small niche extension! :yell: :imho:

Thanks,
Jeff

...you left out the word vanity...

 

[Jeff]

Interesting because Verisign controls .com and that contract is up in 2 years.

.COM (fully adopted and established, and short for "Commercial") isn't an obscure teeny isle ccTLD, IMHO. :yell:

Regards,
Jeff

 

[freedom30]

.COM (fully adopted and established, and short for "Commercial") isn't an obscure teeny isle ccTLD, IMHO. :yell:

Regards,
Jeff

...I don't get you're point, please clarify, thanks...

 

[equity78]

Jeff, Verisign runs .tv not the island of Tuvalu, I will not disparage them with 5 year old vocabulary like "teeny." Bottom line who runs .com runs .tv. Try to spin it any way you like. Verisign runs them both. People should be worrying about today, looking out six years in a worried frenzy is not healthy. A lot of people won't even be doing this in six years. Focus on today. Live your life, make the world a better place and let's groove.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XOY7lsBVpo

 

[freedom30]

Jeff, Verisign runs .tv not the island of Tuvalu, I will not disparage them with 5 year old vocabulary like "teeny." Bottom line who runs .com runs .tv. Try to spin it any way you like. Verisign runs them both. People should be worrying about today, looking out six years in a worried frenzy is not healthy. A lot of people won't even be doing this in six years. Focus on today. Live your life, make the world a better place and let's groove.

YouTube - Let's Groove - Earth wind and fire -

Yes, the term teeny does sound disparaging, which is why I am surprised that he would use the term as he is generally pretty "professional" as he purports in his signature.

At any rate the term that you choose to utilize, "let's groove", puts me in a positive frame of mind and I can grasp it pretty well!

I appreciate the info on Verisign...thanks, EQ!

 

[Jeff]

People should be worrying about today, looking out six years in a worried frenzy is not healthy.

Unsure where you're coming up with "worried frenzy", etc. IMHO ... but it is highly relevant and certainly understandable that those perhaps looking at the ".TV" as a business interest/investment may be concerned about the contractual ending date with the teeny isle of Tuvalu (and any if its potential geo-political whims or instabilities), as well as the known and exisiting & unresolved issues with Verisign! :yell: :imho:

Regards,
Jeff

 

[freedom30]

Unsure where you're coming up with "worried frenzy", etc. IMHO ... but it is highly relevant and certainly understandable that those perhaps looking at the ".TV" as a business interest/investment may be concerned about the contractual ending date with the teeny isle of Tuvalu (and any if its potential geo-political whims or instabilities), as well as the known and exisiting & unresolved issues with Verisign! :yell: :imho:

Regards,
Jeff

...whether real or imagined, as in your scenario, I assume...

 

[eyedomainous]

For years even though we posted the actual contract on DotTvNation, there were those using old data insisting the .tv contract was up earlier than the contract actually was.

Well here is the real data for all those out there so you know.

In 2001, we entered into an amended contractual agreement with the Government of Tuvalu to be the sole registry operator for .tv domain names through December 31, 2016. Pursuant to the terms of this agreement, in 2009 and in 2008, we paid the Tuvalu government a total of $2.0 million annually in registry fees.

Source: Verisign Annual Report 2/26/2010 page 61

What is interesting, and a bit confusing, to me is...

If VeriSign has a contract until 2016 then why did they set-up the .TV nameserver infrastucture domain, nstld.com, to run from Dec. 5, 2000 to Dec. 5, 2014?? [The .TV TLD is run by seven nameservers at nstld.com. (see attached image).]

Certainly adding two years to the reg is not a cost issue. And I understand Verisign was managing the .tv nameservers for dot-tv corp prior to buying them out... so that explains the 2000 reg date... but not a 13 year reg PRIOR to having a 15 year contract with the Government of Tuvalu.

Perhaps they had a 13 year registry contract with dot-tv corp and simply forgot to add a few years to the nameserver reg when they amended the contract. Though one would think an updated Registry NameServer document, reflecting the duration of the contract, would be a critical document in an amended registry contract.

Assuming this is an oversight, someone should bring this to Verisign's attention as we don't want the .TV registry to go dark in 2014.

Imagine the embarrassment. It would be hysterical! "Ooops! we thought we had a few more years on that reg.":notme:

Edit: I thought I attached a pic showing the .TV nameserver system but I don't see it. Oh well.

 

[equity78]

Nice try again, but ease thar worried frenzy to the lurkers who don't belong here, don't worry for Jeff he owns no .tv he will be all right. I mean hopefully he will find a better use of his time but he is ok.

A lot can happen in six years, you live in the largest debtor country in the world you got much bigger worries than the Sovereign Nation of Tuvalu. Teeny are we in kindergarten ?

And again the company running .tv same one running .com keep trying to spin but it will be refuted each time. Here is another tune because you can try to spin but then again YouTube - Dead or Alive - You Spin Me Round (Like a Record)

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Good point Claude, and yes they ran the infrastructure when the DOT TV CORP owned the company.

 

[gr8trfoo]

For years even though we posted the actual contract on DotTvNation,

can you repost that contract somewhere?

 

[cabletv]

This is one of the main OBSTACLES of the ccTLD ".TV" ... few bonafide End users would consider them as legitimate commercial business interest/investment due to the fact that it, literally, doesn't actually stand for "TV/Video" and that it is subject to the whims of Verisign/Enom & the teeny isle of Tuvalu, and NO ONE can reasonably guarantee what will happen in 5/6 years, IMHO.
Thus, it will always be an enthusiasts / domainer / small niche extension! :yell: :imho:

Thanks,
Jeff

Thanks for the INFO. Then I guess I will just renew all my .TV domains till 2020 and sue the hell out of VeriSign or the Tuvalu Government for 100+ years of income loss if they turn it off or something, maybe we should start collecting money for a "The largest domain name lawsuit of all time" now, and in six years we will have a lot of cash for a good multi-national multi-lawyer all world citizen's lawsuit against the Government of Tuvalu and maybe just win the whole island )))) or get millions for every developed domain that gets turned off. Make some nice dough! Right?

I think everything.tv said it all here:

Tuvalu contract with Verisign

Much talk and worry about the contract between Tuvalu and Verisign. Many people quote the first contract which was up in 2012, that is a misnomer. That contract was with the original Dot Tv Corp which Verisign acquired in 2001 for $45,000,000.

The Asian Development Bank who does reports and has made loans to Tuvalu did a report in 2002 with the actual contract. You can find it here http://www.adb.org/documents/books/tuvalu_2002_Economic_PSR/tuvalu_2002_epsr.pdf

You will see the contract runs to 2016. Now what will happen in 2016 is anyone's guess, will Tuvalu find another company to run their extension ? They do not have the technical resources on their own. Maybe they will allow Verisign to have competition and see what is the best deal. Either way you have some time to see what happens. Your .com portfolio has much bigger worries in the opinion of some. Read the post at thedomains.com If The Google Brand is Worth $100 Billion, What Would VeriSign Set As The Annual Renewal Fee For Google.com? | The Domains

Tuvalu owns a lot of money to that Asian Bank and my guess if VeriSign loses the extension, maybe "The Asian Development Bank" will become the new owner ... But untill 2016 we still can renew our domains for 10 years and that makes the renewal in 2016 can be done till 2026 !!! And thats a lot of loss for developed projects if somebody turns off the ext. or something. WOW ... This could be 1000000 times bigger then the sex.com case ... Who knows we might all even OWN VeriSign after that suit )))))))))

 

[snoop]

Jeff, Verisign runs .tv not the island of Tuvalu, I will not disparage them with 5 year old vocabulary like "teeny." Bottom line who runs .com runs .tv. Try to spin it any way you like. Verisign runs them both. People should be worrying about today, looking out six years in a worried frenzy is not healthy. A lot of people won't even be doing this in six years. Focus on today. Live your life, make the world a better place and let's groove.

YouTube - Let's Groove - Earth wind and fire -

The difference is that the .com contract is with Icann (with US government oversign). .TV is effectively controlled by the government of Tuvalu with Verisign managing it, so there is an extra element of risk. In my view it is small factor but still one to consider, there is some element of "default risk" if that is an appropriate term to describe it.

 

[DomainAgency.com]

The difference is that the .com contract is with Icann (with US government oversign). .TV is effectively controlled by the government of Tuvalu with Verisign managing it, so there is an extra element of risk. In my view it is small factor but still one to consider, there is some element of "default risk" if that is an appropriate term to describe it.

Well said.

I would add, this could be a "good thing" for TV owners as far as the premium issue, once the contract expires, if it is still in place. I do not see the CCTLD going away no matter what.

 

[freedom30]

The difference is that the .com contract is with Icann (with US government oversign). .TV is effectively controlled by the government of Tuvalu with Verisign managing it, so there is an extra element of risk. In my view it is small factor but still one to consider, there is some element of "default risk" if that is an appropriate term to describe it.

OK...no doubt risks are plentiful here...

 

[DU]

The difference is that the .com contract is with Icann (with US government oversign). .TV is effectively controlled by the government of Tuvalu with Verisign managing it, so there is an extra element of risk. In my view it is small factor but still one to consider, there is some element of "default risk" if that is an appropriate term to describe it.

I just read that ICANN is bankrupt...

oh wait.. that's morally.

I just read that ICANN is broke...

oh wait.. that's broken.

They actually have less than one years operating cost in reserves ... I guess they'd get a US government bailout anyway....

 

[cabletv]

Well said.

I would add, this could be a "good thing" for TV owners as far as the premium issue, once the contract expires, if it is still in place. I do not see the CCTLD going away no matter what.

Unless from Global Warming, Tuvalu is still above the ocean right?

P.S.

I wonder if globalwarming.tv has a premium renewal? :yell: