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I understand that Verisign has a few more years remaining on the contract.

But what would happen if the Government of Tuvalu were to one day come along and say, "we don't like all these Yanks registering domains in our country"? It appears this is clearly a potential business risk for both the registrant and .TV Registrars.

This could be one of the factors holding back the extension. Perhaps some businesses and larger corporations don't want to take that risk.
 
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MicroGuy said:
I understand that Verisign has a few more years remaining on the contract.

But what would happen if the Government of Tuvalu were to one day come along and say, "we don't like all these Yanks registering domains in our country"? It appears this is clearly a potential business risk for both the registrant and .TV Registrars.

This could be one of the factors holding back the extension. Perhaps some businesses and larger corporations don't want to take that risk.

I dont think anything is holding back big businesses buying into .tv, they have been doing so & spending a fortune developing top .tv's in large numbers.

I've spent the last week going thru whois records for Geo .Tv and i'd estimate 50%+ are owned by big business with 30% owned by big domainers who want to make them into big business.
If they felt there was any major risk involved then a long time ago they would of stopped buying and definetley stopped pouring money into developments & the 'risk worries' would of spread very quickly to competitors who would of done the same.
This has not happened as big business is entirely comfortable with .tv and the terms of all agreements IMHO

Cheers,
Ronnie
Friend of Big business :D
 
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The contract has approx 7 more years, Tuvalu certainly does not have the technical expertise to run the extension, more pressing is whether TUVALU will be above water in 2015. With regards to that they keep their Sovereignty and the extension.

Tuvalu's sinking, but its domain is on solid ground
Of all the dot-com bubble fantasies gone awry, none could be more bizarre than the story of the tiny island nation of Tuvalu.

The tiny South Pacific island nation of Tuvalu is in danger of sinking.
By Torsten Blackwood, AFP/Getty Images

In the late-1990s, Tuvalu was supposed to get rich by selling access to its Internet domain, which happens to be .tv โ€” funny, since the entire nation has not a single broadcast TV station.

If all went as planned, by now the 11,000 or so Tuvaluans would be living in McMansions, driving to the beach in Hummers and getting regular Botox treatments.

Instead, the money is more of a trickle, and Tuvalu has a much bigger problem: The entire Tuvalu land mass โ€” nine slender South Pacific islands and atolls โ€” is apparently doomed to sink beneath the ocean. Earlier this year, Tuvalu came the closest yet to vanishing.

Oddly enough, Tuvalu might then leave a legacy imagined only in science-fiction novels. It could become the first virtual nation โ€” a country that exists only on the Internet. If Tuvalu's land disappears, its population will disperse, yet Tuvalu under international law will remain a sovereign nation even though its only "real estate" will be the .tv Internet domain.

While all this is going on, neighboring South Pacific island nation Palau is started down a similar path. It recently signed over rights to its domain โ€” .pw โ€” to a Massachusetts tech company that promises a more reasonable financial outcome for the Palauans. Of course, it helps that Palau is not about to burble beneath the waves.

This South Pacific tale begins amid the 1990s madness for Web addresses, when some addresses were selling for millions of dollars. Speculators bought up every word in the dictionary โ€” even the likes of hookworm.com and supercilious.com โ€” certain they could sell each one of them for a bundle to some start-up.

Then people realized it was possible to register a Web address in another country and use its domain. That would open up whole new swaths of Web real estate. Every country has its own top-level domain โ€” Afghanistan is .af; Ghana is .gh. Since the Net is boundary-less, Amazon.gh could theoretically be as accessible as Amazon.com.

Of all the world's countries, none had a more exploitable domain assignment than Tuvalu. The letters TV are linked to entertainment in just about every language.

So entrepreneurs from the USA, Japan and Europe descended on Tuvalu, where the prime minister works in a two-bedroom house and most of the population subsists on the fish caught each day.

The first guy offered $5,000 but shortsightedly backed out when the parliament held out for $10,000. By the time it was over, Tuvalu had a 12-year contract to share revenue from .tv registrations to be marketed by a start-up company called DotTV, which was backed by $50 million from California high-tech incubator Idealab.

Tuvalu expected a windfall. DotTV predicted every entertainment company would want a .tv address. At the time, its executives cited examples such as sony.tv, nbc.tv and zee.tv โ€” the last for India's Zee TV network.

This being the era when people talked of initial public stock offerings before a company's bathroom needed its first replacement roll of toilet paper, DotTV anticipated a big IPO. The company even said it would create a .tv portal.

Of course, in 2000 the dot-com bubble blew apart, and the value of Web addresses dove like a pelican after a fish. No .tv boom ever happened. Today, nbc.tv is a dead end, sony.tv is for sale, and zee.tv bounces to sheeraz.com, the Web site of Southeast Asian television entrepreneur Sheeraz Hasan.

According to Web monitor Hitwise, the most popular .tv site is Fox's kids site, foxbox.tv. It gets a market share one-hundredth that of the top television-based Web site, espn.com. In the meantime, DotTV was sold to Internet company VeriSign, and recent news reports say Tuvalu's Internet revenue is used primarily to pave roads.

That alone would be a heck of a dot-bust sob story, but then there's the part about Tuvalu sinking.

The islands are, at best, 15 feet above sea level. Unusually high tides have started flooding the islands โ€” not by creeping up the beaches, but by bubbling up through the ground, as if the islands were leaky boats. Prime Minister Saufatu Sopoaga has been jetting around the world in a panic, telling anyone who will listen that Tuvalu will be the first victim of global warming. As sea levels rise, tourists might soon be able to see Tuvalu only by snorkel.

Now, that brings up a question: What happens to a domain if a nation disappears?

VeriSign spokesman Tom Galvin tells me that a defunct country's Internet domain lives on. For instance, you can still find addresses on .su โ€” the domain for the Soviet Union.

Anyway, as Galvin points out, Tuvalu would not necessarily cease to exist. Apparently, the laws of the sea say that a country is a country, even if underwater. Sopoaga has said in speeches, "Our sovereignty would not be threatened. Our claim would be maintained on this spot."

Which is how you get to the point where Tuvalu could have a government, a people โ€” albeit a diaspora โ€” but no territory. Yet Tuvalu would exist on the Internet as .tv. Sci-fi novels such as Neal Stephenson's Snow Crash predict virtual nations. Tuvalu might someday be revered as a trendsetter.

Along the way, we can watch Palau's adventure unfold. This year, it sold rights to .pw to a Woburn, Mass., company called PW Registry, which wants to market the domain for "personal Web" sites. "Individuals will eventually establish a permanent presence on the Internet, just like companies do," says PW Registry founder Tom Barrett. And .pw would be the place for them, he says.

Palau could turn out to be a better story. The nation isn't starting with mania-driven expectations. Its 20,000 citizens are also counting on a future in tourism. It is building its first golf course and later this year will launch its national airline, which will consist of a single Boeing 737.

The only thing I can't figure out is why this hasn't happened yet in the Bahamas.

Its domain: .bs.

Kevin Maney has covered technology for USA TODAY since 1985. His column appears Wednesdays. Click here for an index of Technology columns. E-mail him at: [email protected].




I think Verisign will probably renew with them, they have the infrastructure and the Tuvaluan government have not hinted at not renewing anything. Again IMO
 
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Great question.

Similar to the what would happen if Tuvalu sank under the ocean, Verisign went bust, Enom fell out with Verisign, Verisign fell out with the Tuvalu authorities, etc.

I think if the scenario you suggest did occur then due to sheer force of numbers - Tuvalu would be allocated another international code - like .TU or .TA

.TV would then become one of the first to join the ranks of the new .extensions - and represent exactly what everyone on the planet already knows it does represent - internet TV.
 
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They would keep .tv JIMBO

Anyway, as Galvin points out, Tuvalu would not necessarily cease to exist. Apparently, the laws of the sea say that a country is a country, even if underwater. Sopoaga has said in speeches, "Our sovereignty would not be threatened. Our claim would be maintained on this spot."


I love the first guy offered Tuvalu $5000 for the rights and they came back with only $10,000. Now vanity extensions will go for min $100,000 with the new ICANN approved TLD format, interesting.
 
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Equity

You're right - in the REAL world, but I was responding to Gregs HYPOTHETICAL scenario.

If this scenario was rolled out as Greg suggests then the legal mess caused by a Tuvalu government wanting to use the .TV extension purely for its "own citizens" would end up being resolved in the the primary judicial organ of the United Nations, the International Court of Justice, based in The Hague.

The reason it would end up here is that the masses of money already invested in .TV would be sufficient for a class action to be taken against the government of Tuvalu.

Of course, nobody waits around like lemons for the outcome of a court case. In the meantime some agreement to keep using the extension would be brokered but the fear of change factor alone would probably kill the .TV extension for the next decade - by which time the world itself will have moved on again.

In REALITY the scenario is never going to happen*
















* until Elvis comes out of hiding and says it is ok to happen!!!!
 
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Jimbojimbo said:
In REALITY the scenario is never going to happen*







* until Elvis comes out of hiding and says it is ok to happen!!!!


Elvis has been working in a Chippy just off Edinburgh Rd, Glasgow for 20 years plus.
I thought everyone knew that :-/
 
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mckennaronnie said:
Elvis has been working in a Chippy just off Edinburgh Rd, Glasgow for 20 years plus.
I thought everyone knew that :-/


Yes, everyone in Glasgow can be trusted with the secret.

But you've just let it out to the rest of the world!!!!

Now he'll have to 'do a runner' again. Probably to Tuvalu.









NOTE: "Look into my eyes, not around the eyes, but into my eyes - Elvis does not live in Glasgow, Elvis does not live in Glasgow. He is not in the building called Glasgow". "Wake up, and carry on with your business"
 
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Maybe the reason I stated was a factor in Richard Rosenblatt's decision to abandon dot TV. Was it also a factor in Current.tv's decision? Does Richard know something about the situation that we don't? Perhaps.

The most likey scenerio is that Tuvalu will get greedy and demand even more money during the next round of negotiations. This would result in even higher renewals. How high is another question.

I don't want this to happen, but until the contract is renewed it remains a possibility, enough of a possibility to keep dot tv in the high-risk-investment category for now.
 
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Greg I think .tv just one small part for Demand Media. I think Rosenblatt main goal is to get public.

The contract has a long way to run, signed at end of 2001 and the contract is for 15 years.
 
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MicroGuy said:
Maybe the reason I stated was a factor in Richard Rosenblatt's decision to abandon dot TV. Was it also a factor in Current.tv's decision? Does Richard know something about the situation that we don't? Perhaps.

The most likey scenerio is that Tuvalu will get greedy and demand even more money during the next round of negotiations. This would result in even higher renewals. How high is another question.

I don't want this to happen, but until the contract is renewed it remains a possibility, enough of a possibility to keep dot tv in the high-risk-investment category for now.

Greg all your points are valid imho ...

if we look at what is happening with premiums now you can deduce it

can get worse ... already fewer people will develop this extension

because of the higher premiums ... is this good for .tv investors ?.
 
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Been stated time and time again.....

They are NOT hoping for domain investors. They want domain DEVELOPERS to buy .tv.
 
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TheBulldog said:
They are NOT hoping for domain investors. They want domain DEVELOPERS to buy .tv.

This sounds like a new twist to me.

I think the extension has been *priced* for enduser/developers, I think they are hoping for speculators in the mix though, ones paying enduser prices.
 
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///bulldog falls off his high horse

snoop, you old horse (word for manhood, rhymes with sock)

Where the heck have you been? I've had to be negative around here in your ansense, and it is tough because I am generally easy, and mainly drunk.
 
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Even today and surely in 24-36 months, with the amount of money invested and the type of companies that made the investments i don't think anyone involved can do anything except continue on the current model where if a domain is not dropped there is no way for its renewal price to raise.
 
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I want Richard Rosenblatt's released the .TV to other investors, hopefully less fees to register these premium names. They just getting all the $ out of our pocket.

The drop names are now available for much more expensive to register. They think it's good for .TV industry. That's BS.



MicroGuy said:
Maybe the reason I stated was a factor in Richard Rosenblatt's decision to abandon dot TV. Was it also a factor in Current.tv's decision? Does Richard know something about the situation that we don't? Perhaps.

The most likey scenerio is that Tuvalu will get greedy and demand even more money during the next round of negotiations. This would result in even higher renewals. How high is another question.

I don't want this to happen, but until the contract is renewed it remains a possibility, enough of a possibility to keep dot tv in the high-risk-investment category for now.
 
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TheWatcher said:
They just getting all the $ out of our pocket.

The drop names are now available for much more expensive to register. They think it's good for .TV industry. That's BS.

At the end of the day they'll do what is best for their bottom line, the aim *is* to get as much money as possible out of peoples pockets.
 
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The tiny South Pacific island nation of Tuvalu is in danger of sinking.
By Torsten Blackwood, AFP/Getty Images
Tuvalu is not sinking - sea levels are rising. Pedantic maybe, but accurate.
 
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