Dan.com

User based discrimination at Dan?

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Do my domains parked at Dan resolve?

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  • Yes, they load instantly.

    10
    votes
    83.3%
  • Takes a few seconds.

    0
    votes
    0.0%
  • Takes more than 10 seconds (in the first attempt)

    1
    vote
    8.3%
  • Some are slow some are fast

    1
    vote
    8.3%
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topdom

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None of my domains parked at Dan resolve (in less than 20 seconds).
Registrar doesn't matter. It is purely Dan made problem.
It must be intentional.
Why I think so:
Other people's domains resolve instantly.
Not sure if most people are like me, or
only a few intentionally discriminated users are like me.

It is not registrar related.
It is not ISP related.
So the only remaining possibility: users are not treated equally.
There is at least one more user like me.
Let's check what their criteria is.
And they lie and pretend everything is ok.
Maybe they are not aware of this problem
(if so they are still responsible for it,
because there is an easy cure).
 
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branding

Who's afraid of red, white and blue?
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7,364
None of my domains parked at Dan resolve (in less than 20 seconds).
Registrar doesn't matter. It is purely Dan made problem.
It must be intentional.
Why I think so:
Other people's domains resolve instantly.
Not sure if most people are like me, or
only a few intentionally discriminated users are like me.

It is not registrar related.
It is not ISP related.
So the only remaining possibility: users are not treated equally.
There is at least one more user like me.
Let's check what their criteria is.
And they lie and pretend everything is ok.
Maybe they are not aware of this problem
(if so they are still responsible for it,
because there is an easy cure).

Could be your connection/setup/software? Did you try a speedtest from different geo locations around the globe?
 

topdom

Top Contributor
Impact
1,366
It is not ISP related because some other people's domains load instantly here.
I'm not trying to reach those landing pages. I'm just a seller.

These pages (search results) load instantly:
https://dan.com/buy-domain/domain.tld

Dan shows these pages instead:
https://dan.com/buy-domain/domain.TLD?redirected=true&tld=LD
as landing pages. Before loading those pages they do some
"spam-check", or maybe there is another script which delays things
based on owner of domains.

For example we know Dan and Epik hate eachother.
If we have Epik domains, they may not want to sell them there.
But nonEpik domains don't resolve either if they are mine.

There is a discrimination here obviously, intentionally or not,
and looks like it is user based.
 

branding

Who's afraid of red, white and blue?
Impact
7,364
It is not ISP related because some other people's domains load instantly here.
I'm not trying to reach those landing pages. I'm just a seller.

These pages (search results) load instantly:
https://dan.com/buy-domain/domain.tld

Dan shows these pages instead:
https://dan.com/buy-domain/domain.TLD?redirected=true&tld=LD
as landing pages. Before loading those pages they do some
"spam-check", or maybe there is another script which delays things
based on owner of domains.

For example we know Dan and Epik hate eachother.
If we have Epik domains, they may not want to sell them there.
But nonEpik domains don't resolve either if they are mine.

There is a discrimination here obviously, intentionally or not,
and looks like it is user based.

Could be IP related. They probably do extra checks on some ranges, blacklists etc. Tried with a VPN?
 

topdom

Top Contributor
Impact
1,366
Can't be IP, hardware, software related (on my side), because I can reach other people's Dan landing pages quickly.
Otherwise I wouldn't use harsh words like discrimination, fascism, evil etc..

Also I don't care much if they block IPs from Nigeria, or Bangladesh. My IP is not blocked, my domains are blocked. Some other people's domains are blocked as well.
 
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None of my domains parked at Dan resolve (in less than 20 seconds).
Registrar doesn't matter. It is purely Dan made problem.
It must be intentional.
Why I think so:
Other people's domains resolve instantly.
Not sure if most people are like me, or
only a few intentionally discriminated users are like me.

It is not registrar related.
It is not ISP related.
So the only remaining possibility: users are not treated equally.
There is at least one more user like me.
Let's check what their criteria is.
And they lie and pretend everything is ok.
Maybe they are not aware of this problem
(if so they are still responsible for it,
because there is an easy cure).
That is a pretty big claim. You are accusing a company of discrimination and lying.

Big claims require evidence. The burden is on you to substantiate these claims with something more concrete than just your beliefs.

First of all why would Dan.com be discriminating against you personally? What is their motivation?

Why would they do that instead of just not having you as a customer?

There are actually many possible reasons a website could load slow, it seems like quite a jump to conclusions by you.

Brad
 
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For example we know Dan and Epik hate eachother.
Hi

who is we?

and who else hates the other,
so we''ll know to add them to the list of haters who might discriminate against our names because of the color of their skin, their age, their sex, where they live (registrar) or for having a disability?

imo...
 
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For example we know Dan and Epik hate eachother.
If we have Epik domains, they may not want to sell them there.
i sold few domains at dan that were registered with epik they don't decline the transaction instead they appoint a transfer specialist to handle the transfer the whole transaction took less than 48hours to close.
 

Recons.Com

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I second @bmugford here. Doesn't make sense for them and would require a proof from the accuser.

Having said that, Dan does have loading problem, if I believe the google analytics. It is dead slow for some regions and every delayed second increases the chance of customer leaving without waiting drastically. This could partially explain lower than expected performance for Dan landers. Not sure why this is happening as landers are supposed to have small page size and should load almost instantly.

@LaszloSchenk @DAN.COM could comment on this?
 
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topdom

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1,366
I have a theory. I'm awake and openly against the DS. And their spam blocker is run by DS. So they can decide which domains should not resolve.
I have sooo many "enemies" here who dislike or disagree with whatever I say. I tell the truth, why disagree or dislike them (I don't care at all but,. you see what I mean). Obvious truth every nonidiot can confirm, but I still get so many negatives, most of them are not even visible in notifications. Obviously some eye opening stuff I talk about here bothers some people. And they would kill me if they could. The best they can do is to block my business. I don't need this business, don't waste your time. I'm not afraid of dying either (I'm just afraid of reincarnation, if real).

The problem is obvious. Others also complain about it. Dan just ignores. Because they are doing this intentionally.
Or they don't have any control over software they are using, and some evil people poisoning domain data.

Why should Dan do this: it doesn't make any sense in honest business. But not all business is honest. I'm not lying. How can anyone lie like this. I give enough info here proving discrimination (if info is correct, but I can't make it up, and there is no benefit in doing so). I praise Dan, and others when they deserve it.

How can Dan benefit from this. Direct sales to endusers don't bring much money, just 10 percent commission. But there is big money in acting as middle man. Endusers go their registrar, only place they know for buying domains, their registrar say, we can get this domain for you, and arrange buying and selling agreements with buyers and sellers simultaneously. So by preventing direct sales, they can make 99 percent , instead of 10 percent profit...Or they know I have good domains which I would drop if there is not enough cash flow. So by preventing sales, they can handreg quality domains with active buyers. Here by they I don't (necessarily) mean Dan. Any big marketplace can abuse its position this way. And they give themselves a lot power to make this possible, and not any power to sellers to prevent it.
 
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I have a theory. I'm awake and openly against the DS. And their spam blocker is run by DS. So they can decide which domains should not resolve.
I have sooo many "enemies" here who dislike or disagree with whatever I say. I tell the truth, why disagree or dislike them (I don't care at all but,. you see what I mean). Obvious truth every nonidiot can confirm, but I still get so many negatives, most of them are not even visible in notifications. Obviously some eye opening stuff I talk about here bothers some people. And they would kill me if they could. The best they can do is to block my business. I don't need this business, don't waste your time. I'm not afraid of dying either (I'm just afraid of reincarnation, if real).

The problem is obvious. Others also complain about it. Dan just ignores. Because they are doing this intentionally.
Or they don't have any control over software they are using, and some evil people poisoning domain data.

Why should Dan do this: it doesn't make any sense in honest business. But not all business is honest. I'm not lying. How can anyone lie like this. I give enough info here proving discrimination (if info is correct, but I can't make it up, and there is no benefit in doing so). I praise Dan, and others when they deserve it.

What is the "DS"?

In fairness you have posted quite a bit of absurd stuff, like Obama is Hitler's grandson most recently, and other wild conspiracy theories. I am sorry if I am skeptical of your wild claims here, without any evidence.

If they wanted to block your business, they would just not allow you as a customer. Who knows, maybe after making such specious claims they will just do that anyway.

Give an actual example domain that is supposedly being "discriminated" against.

Brad
 
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topdom

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Just look at pictures:
https://beforeitsnews.com/eu/2022/05/obamas-grandmother-eva-braun-1944-2686640.html

If I say something, there is logic/data behind it. Sometimes I give full proof, sometimes provide strong evidence.
And the response from the other side is standard: not saying anything, or saying conspiracy theory/tin foil hat,..Something with no real content.
I don't think posting this type of drivel really helps with credibility when it comes to wild claims about Dan.com.

Again, where is the actual evidence in regards to your claims about Dan?

Brad
 
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topdom

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Most of you may not see any problem on your side (you are not discriminated).
If so your input is valuable.
But input from other discriminated users is more valuable.
There was at least one more such user, but he didn't vote yet.

Posting the domain: in addition to obvious reason,
..the person who is responsible for this problem, can whitelist
that domain and make me look like fool.
 
Most of you may not see any problem on your side (you are not discriminated).
If so your input is valuable.
But input from other discriminated users is more valuable.
There was at least one more such user, but he didn't vote yet.

Posting the domain: in addition to obvious reason,
..the person who is responsible for this problem, can whitelist
that domain and make me look like fool.
I think it is likely you are creating a problem in your mind that does not exist in reality.

The loading times on my domains vary. Sometimes they load instantly, sometimes they take a few seconds.
Sometimes it might take even longer.

Post a sample domain. If it is not related to any external factors, everyone should have the same experience when they try to load your "discriminated" domain.

Without an example domain, there is really no point carrying on with these claims.

Brad
 
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Recons.Com

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I think it is likely you are creating a problem in your mind that does not exist in reality.

The loading times on my domains vary. Sometimes they load instantly, sometimes they take a few seconds.
Sometimes it might take even longer.

Post a sample domain. If it is not related to any external factors, everyone should have the same experience when they try to load your "discriminated" domain.

Without an example domain, there is really no point carrying on with these claims.

Brad

Or he could just use free web services that test loading times and they do it from different regions. And he could compare his name vs any other name with Dan lander to prove his point.
 
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Recons.Com

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Domain #1 @ Dan.com - 2.4s Fully Loaded Time
Domain #2 @ Dan.com - 2.3s Fully Loaded Time

For reference

Domain #1 @ Afternic - 1.4s Fully Loaded Time
Domain #2 @ Afternic - 1.1s Fully Loaded Time


Yes, Dan's performance for loading sucks. And it is not just fully loaded time that matters. It took Dan 1.2 seconds to actually send the "first contentful paint" when testing for Canada. 1.7 seconds for the FCP for India, 1.6 seconds for Hong Kong (China) and 1.2 seconds for the USA. Those times are not good at all. A good user experience for FCP is considered below 0.9 seconds.
 
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