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U.S Government seeks to create a website ban list

Located in Domain Industry News, started by Veronika11, Oct 29, 2011

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  1. Veronika11

    Veronika11 Established Member

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    UNBELIEVABLE!!

    According to Google and YouTube, requests by the U.S. Government to remove websites or videos have increased significantly.

    "Interestingly, the number of items requested by the U.S. government to be removed actually surpasses the number requested to be removed by authorities in China."

    Now the U.S. Governemnt wants to pass a bill that would give them the right to ban websites completely without a legal court order/process.

    "The list is all too similar to the “ban lists” that are found in China.[...]According to journalist Paul Joseph Watson, “The only difference between this system and the draconian measures currently in place in countries like Iran, China and North Korea, is that the ISP’s would be mandated to enforce the ban list, rather than the websites being blocked via a centralized government hub.”"

    Whole article: http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/9549-us-government-seeks-to-create-website-ban-list
     
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  2. zoomactive.com

    zoomactive.com Established Member ★★★★★★★★★★

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    I know, this is utterly insane! I highly suggest EVERYONE sending a letter to their congressman ASAP.
     
  3. Peter

    Peter Top Member VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    They already do this in for example the UK and australia. Usually it is applied to sites that host child abuse etc. In the UK the Internet Watch Foundation (IWF) administer what sites are listed.

    The list of sites banned by Australia was actually leaked a couple of years ago and for some reason also included sites such as dental practices etc.

    Here is an old post about it http://nocky100.wordpress.com/2008/12/08/great-firewall-of-britain/
     
  4. allboeing

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    Hmm..

    They're right on the ban list idea but the without legal process questions the motive,wouldn't that give say Rick Perry the right to wipe off all his criticisms over his sad love of executing people,hence causing hurt for his people who'll then unknowingly be electing a mad man.

    Okay extreme consequences to prove point over,lets get to what I think would be the right idea.

    I'm from Ireland and personally here i'd love more laws to be placed on the net here,I think ban lists should be used and would be helpful.

    However,like any other process of legal dispute they should be handled in a specific court.

    I think ban lists are needed and we do need a speedy process on them and a lot more sites do need to be on them.

    I don't believe we have a government ban list here but ISPs can be requested to block sites which store anything infringing copyright by the respective copyright owners but a Judge in the high court decides if their is really a need to block this site and then says yes/no to blocking the site.

    Our process has most publicly being seen with Pirate Bay being blocked by Eircom on the request of Sony Entertainment with Sony winning a high court order.

    But a similar attempt(tho included more sites I believe) with Sony amongst others against UPC failed so they still run sites such as Pirate Bay(which hey is not all illegal,at least according to one of my teachers).

    So as you can see here its quite a 'luck of the draw' case. We need regulation which doesn't change depending on the judge or judges mood,we need a process that depends on the law.

    So I think they seem to have the right idea but the wrong motive in the US.
     
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  5. Veronika11

    Veronika11 Established Member

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    I think we all agree here that illegal content (such as child abuse etc.) should be banned, removed, forbidden, blocked or whatever, but like it says in the article, the U.S. Government apparently does not only want to remove or bann those site, but also things they "don't like":
    “US authorities also called for the removal of 113 videos from YouTube, including several documenting alleged police brutality which Google refused to take down.”
    That suggests that the U.S. Government is not only trying to ban illegal websites, but tries to find an easy way to cover things up.
    A ban list would not only inlcude websites with illegal content...
     
  6. Oldfrog

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    "...They're right on the ban list idea but the without legal process questions the motive,wouldn't that give say Rick Perry the right to wipe off all his criticisms over his sad love of executing people,hence causing hurt for his people who'll then unknowingly be electing a mad man."....


    I have no intention of getting into a philosophical debate with you....but..You havent spent much time in Texas, have you? I grew up in Texas and we believe in personal responsibility. So...if execution is warranted, Texans make it happen, because Texans don't like coddling criminals as you do across the pond. As for Perry being a "mad man", as you called him....nothing could be further from the truth. You must be getting your news from one of the socialist news organizations...eh ? (FYI, I'm supporting Herman Cain...thus far..but we'll see. It certainly wont be Obama !) Perry is a lot of things...but a mad man isn't one of them.

    Until you become an American citizen, and more importantly, a resident of Southern America, I dont expect you to have the capacity to understand. With that in mind, why not get your own house in order before you begin to trash talk others ? We arent perfect, but we're far beyond whoever is in second place. It's all about a thing called Freedom. Look it up. -------

    The govt has no business censoring anything on the net. We have plenty of laws on the books now. Break them and pay the price. But censorship reminds me of Hitler.
     
  7. DU

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    Everyone knows Rick Perry's not a mad man... but he is a moron....

    As for personal accountability?
    If Hank Skinner gets executed in November and exonerated in December - how will you show your accountability?
    Wish a shrug of the shoulders?

    I'm also glad to learn that American Citizenship comes with a capacity of learning simply unattainable to the rest of the world... until they can answer such deep questions (6 out of 10) as:

    What is an Amendment?
    What did the Declaration of Independence do?

    Knowing those answers will hopefully let the world understand a little about what it means to be American (and then Texan because they're obviously not the same thing).
     
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  8. alien51

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    A ban list can only be effective in blocking the so-called "Controversial Legits". They won't serve any purpose in stopping the real bad guys.

    For example, child porn. If you are a child porn operator, and Australia blocks your website/domain, then you can be sure that the Interpol is now hunting you down to arrest you. So what will these bad guys do? They'll just abandon ship and buy another domain!!! Now, they're off the ban list again!

    A Ban List will only work on entities who will stand their ground.

    For example, Twitter is illegal in China. Even if the Communist Party bans Twitter.com, Twitter is not going to change its domain or website anyway.

    So meaning to say, if your intention is to ban criminals, they'll just go around the ban list and eventually the ban list would be useless. That's natural, because they are criminals. You don't expect criminals to follow the rules.

    It's a waste of time and money to maintain a ban list. In the end, a ban list will only amount to CENSORSHIP. Because any website in the ban list that continues to be operational after they got banned, would only prove that they are legits.
     
  9. allboeing

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    Our own house in order? please everyone knows the crisis is a result of a german policy the EU forced on us. Why would an anti-socialist even bother taking time to listen to 1 word of what they say? our growth bet the forecasts our new government are doing great Fine Gael saved us before and will save us again.

    Now back to the topic a kill for kill is not good that 'an eye for an eye' thing never works out and you can never 100% prove anyone is guilty of a crime so you don't have a right to kill someone.

    Hmm ye freedom you really give that by killing people when you could just jail them til they die. Please at least make 1% sense.
     
  10. exsedo

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    If the government want this badly, they will get it eventually. Mainly due to the apathy of the younger generations, who are too busy enjoying themselves to take an interest in such issues.
    Anyone in the developed world who thinks they have 'freedom' is sadly deluded :imho:
     
  11. DU

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    Too busy enjoying themselves getting arrested in parks?
     
  12. stub

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    This is true throughout the generations. I was too busy enjoying myself too, in my teens and twenties to give a fig about anything other than myself having fun. I'm older and wiser (and more serious) now :)
     

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