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.TV reported sales vs development

Labeled as .tv in ccTLD Discussion started by garptrader, Apr 12, 2019.

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  1. garptrader

    garptrader Top Member VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    Taking a look at 30 of the highest .TV reported sales in Namebio versus how they are used...

    Film.TV - developed site
    RT.TV - redirect to .Com
    Web.TV - developed site
    SC.TV - redirect to Smithsonian channel
    FYI.TV - developed site
    Set.TV - redirect to Conversant Media
    Ulive.TV - redirect to Scripps Lifestyle Studios
    Job.TV - redirect to Realtor.com - why?
    Icon.TV - redirect to Icon meals

    Note that only three of the top 30 reported .TV sales were in the last three years. The others I checked either are still for sale or do not resolve.
     
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  2. garptrader

    garptrader Top Member VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    Going through the remainder of the highest 50 .TV sales...

    Connect.TV - developed
    Kids.TV - forwards to Entertainment Studios but not used for relevant content
    Telmex.TV. - brand protection forwarded to .com
    Gala.TV - developed site

    So for the 50 highest reported .TV sales, only three which occurred in the last year, only five are branded sites using .TV. Eight others are redirects. About 75% of the highest-reported .TV sales are investor held or not really used for a meaningful website (Token and Wallet have landing pages but sites like that can be created in a couple of hours).

    So merely comparing the highest fifty .TV sales over the last 15+ years and comparing their actual usage to ~75 .TV domains that I have dropped in recent years (and checked), I can find more which are actually being used among my drops. What does that say about aftermarket demand for .TV domains? Yes there is some development in .TV but few developers are willing to pay five figures for a .TV domain.
     
  3. vravis9

    vravis9 Established Member

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    Interesting findings...

    Very few are taking .TV for their channel/TV brand matching...

    I can recognise
    RT
    Set
    Only..

    Thanks
     
  4. Vito

    Vito Domain Names Matter Gold Account VIP Trusted Contest Holder ★★★★★★★★★★

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    Weird post when not considering what is normal and what is not.
    You really should do more research and analytics before posting something w/no comparisons at all.

    So, what is normal?
    100% of any TLD will never be built out as its own brand.

    Are the Top 30 dot com sales all still for sale? all not resolving? How many of those are developed, etc?

    Nobody knows what is normal and what is not normal when analyzing only (1) TLD based on your partial post here.

    Now try the Top 30 highest reported dot com domain sales, See where they go now.
    Then try the Top 30 highest reported dot net domain sales. See where they go now.
    Then try the Top 30 highest reported dot org domain sales. See where they go now.
    Get more in depth for a more accurate ratio of normal to not normal.
    Try the Top 30 your favorite ccTLD.
    Then try the Top 30 of your favorite newG TLD's.

    Then you can make some comparison analytics, find out what is normal and what is not normal for which top selling domains are developed, still for sale, or not resolving.

    I made it a little bit easier for you here out of my own curiosity.

    So out of the Top 10 highest domain sales ever.
    http://domainnamesmatter.com/2017/04/top-10-domain-sales-ever/
    Because they are between $9.5 Million and $35.6 Million dollars. Of course they are all dot com.
    So out of these Monster $10 Million + Sales, (the biggest we have ever seen reported), only 7 out of 10 are developed and are being used as their own brand.
    (2) are redirects and
    (1) is a silly GoDaddy Parked page.

    Here you go...

    1) Insurance.com $35.6 million in 2010
    Developed

    2) VacationRentals.com $35 million in 2007
    Developed

    3) PrivateJet.com $30.18 million in 2012
    Redirects to
    https://www.flyvictor.com/en-us/#/

    4) Internet.com $18 million in 2009
    Developed

    5) 360.com $17 million in 2015
    Redirects to
    https://www.360totalsecurity.com/

    6) Insure.com $16 million in 2009
    Developed

    7) Fund.com 2008 £9.99 million
    Nothing - Just a GoDaddy Parking Page...lol

    8) Sex.com for $14 million in November 2014
    Developed

    9) Hotels.com $11 million in 2001
    Developed

    10) Porn.com 2007 $9.5 million
    Developed

    So someone spent $30.6 million for a redirect
    Someone else spent $17 Million for a redirect.
    Someone else spent £9.99 million to do nothing with it.

    $200 Million total spent of Top 10 sales ever, and only 70% that were truly developed as their own brand.



     
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  5. equity78

    equity78 Top Member TLDInvestors.com TheDomains Staff PRO Gold Account VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    Excellent post. Thank you
     
  6. mAd MaX

    mAd MaX Established Member

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    360.com is probably used as internal mail service like FB.com I guess and Fund.com once had a site if I ain't wrong. Things didn't go according to plan for Fund.com and its on sale.

    PrivateJet.com once had a dummy site on it, I always suspected there is more to that large amount sale price. 🤔
     
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  7. garptrader

    garptrader Top Member VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    Vito,
    I realize some of the long-time .TV investors are sensitive to what they perceive as criticism of the extension. .TV has been promoted as an extension for video-oriented websites. With much faster internet connections today than were common 15-20 years ago and with basic video production equipment much more accessible to the average person, video content production has mushroomed over the last decade. However, only three of the top 100 reported .TV sales on Namebio occurred in 2018 while fewer than ten .TV sales over $7500 were reported in 2018. .TV sounds cool for a video-oriented brand but selling .TV domains is a completely different matter.

    While one could theoretically spend a week researching the top 100 sales in dozens of extensions, I still have a significant (though smaller) stake in .TV. It does not really matter what is a normal development ratio for .ORG or .INFO sales when I only have maybe five domains total in those extensions. I do not currently have any "new" TLD domains but it does seem many new TLD sales are made by registries and do not see significant development . If the development / branding ratio of reported .TV sales sucks, for me that is a relevant metric regardless of how it compares to .COM. Regardless, in the sample you showed above 70% of .COMS were developed. .TV is not even close. If generally speaking, buyers of .TV domains are not motivated to develop and brand on the extension, than what does that say about the viability of investment in .TV?

    Another issue about .COM is that historically one-word .COM domains (with high search-volume) could make good money via parking. With .TV that is rarely the case.

    $30 renewals change the break-even point for a .TV investment. Aftermarket demand for .TV domains is not booming and the fact that so many five-figure .TV sales from years past go nowhere is evidence of that. Does that mean I am going to drop all my remaining .TV domains? No, but one has to continually assess the investment horizon and recent performance has been rather disappointing.
     

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